Fake injury proposal.

patdog

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Impressive display of turning defense into offense by Kiffin. He's actually glad to see something being done about this. **

“I’m glad,” Kiffin said. “I know some people say, okay, that sounds weird coming from me. We’re a tempo offense. I’ve been saying this for years, okay, that faking an injury hurts us more than anybody — us and Tennessee — probably more than anybody in America.”

“Happens to us more than anybody. Happened last week. Over and over again,” Kiffin said. “So, it may not surprise you, I was very happy for that. We issued a statement weeks ago about this.”
 

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This is probably the best possible solution. Anything more severe, such as sitting the rest of quarter or half would then give too much incentive for a player to not seek treatment for an actual injury.
 
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BulldogBlitz

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My role on the 8th grade basketball team was to be put in the game and "get injured". I think I only got in 2 games all year. Heh.
 
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Probably the best option possible.

And this will create a new staff position called The Watcher. ….The sole responsibility of this person will be to look at the field through binoculars and identify immediately when an injury scrub checks into a game and alert the coaches so the offensive play can be changed to run right at that position.
 

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I like fines or suspensions after the fact better. With in game penalties you'll get players trying to play through a legitimate reason to stop play so they don't miss an entire drive (as opposed to maybe a play or two). Increases the chance they hurt themselves worse bc of the field penalty.

Send Lane a penalty invoice or suspend his player for a half next time they flop.
 
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Best case scenario would be a post-game review that leads to a suspension of the "flopping" player. First offense = 1Q, second offense = 2Q, etc.

The only problem is, who reviews and decides? If it's the league office, Bama, TU, and UGA would never get penalized...
 

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All this is going to do is push it to stage 2...

Coaching staff will know who the most replaceable player is on any given drive. If tempo becomes a problem, they're the one designated to go down and sit out the drive. So long as you have a backup that's near the same talent level, it's minimal impact to you while still killing opponents momentum.

I guarantee you, Lame Kitten isn't "on board" with this unless he has an alternate plan in the wings.
 
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WilCoDawg

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All this is going to do is push it to stage 2...

Coaching staff will know who the most replaceable player is on any given drive. If tempo becomes a problem, they're the one designated to go down and sit out the drive. So long as you have a backup that's near the same talent level, it's minimal impact to you while still killing opponents momentum.

I guarantee you, Lame Kitten isn't "on board" with this unless he has an alternate plan in the wings.
If it is blatantly obvious then the officials should be able to penalize them with unsportsmanlike behavior. Add in a postgame review to see if a financial penalty should be assessed.

The other side of the coin with putting in replaceable players is the O could potentially take advantage of a weaker player. You know, like they did to us all season.***
 
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Perd Hapley

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This is probably the best possible solution. Anything more severe, such as sitting the rest of quarter or half would then give too much incentive for a player to not seek treatment for an actual injury.
I disagree. Rest of the quarter is more than appropriate. Another compromise might be something like 8 minutes of gametime, because there needs to be a lot of disincentive to fake an injury regardless of down, distance, or time on the clock. If its just the rest of the drive, you can just check in a scrub and then immediately have them pull a hamstring. This isn’t going to stop teams with any sort of depth from faking injuries.

And a player with an actual injury is not going to help their team for at least that long, regardless, so they need to come out.

The key point is defining what an “injured player” is. If a player can get off the field under his own power without stopping play, it doesn’t count as an injury, and he can come back in whenever. If he cannot, then he needs to sit and get assessed and treated for at least 10-15 minutes anyway. Exceptions made for players that are injured as a result of a penalty or personal foul on the opposing team. They do not have to sit longer than they normally would. I don’t think anyone can name an injury that renders you completely immobile for more than 30 seconds that you can legitimately recover from in 2-3 minutes.
 
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DesotoCountyDawg

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I disagree. Rest of the quarter is more than appropriate. If its just the rest of the drive, you can just check in a scrub and then immediately have them pull a hamstring. This isn’t going to stop teams with any sort of depth from faking injuries.

And a player with an actual injury is not going to help their team for at least that long, regardless, so they need to come out.

The key point is defining what an “injured player” is. If a player can get off the field under his own power without stopping play, it doesn’t count as an injury, and he can come back in whenever. If he cannot, then he needs to sit and get assessed and treated for at least 10-15 minutes anyway. Exceptions made for players that are injured as a result of a penalty or personal foul on the opposing team. They do not have to sit longer than they normally would. I don’t think anyone can name an injury that renders you completely immobile for more than 30 seconds that you can legitimately recover from in 2-3 minutes.
Leg cramps. Especially with a lineman.

Sometimes players do get hurt where they need to come off the field for a series and are back the next possession. It happens all the time.
 

Perd Hapley

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Leg cramps. Especially with a lineman.

Sometimes players do get hurt where they need to come off the field for a series and are back the next possession. It happens all the time.
In that case, I’d defer to something like 8 minutes of time. Half a quarter, pretty much.

Just applying it for the rest of the drive does nothing. The whole point of the faking of injuries is to be able to get a free substitution and change personnel packages based on location on the field and down / distance. Say an offense is at midfield. They get a 40 yard play to get to the 10 yard line….1st and goal. They go fast to the line to run a play before defense can sub. A DB goes down and fakes an injury. Defense gets to sub in a LB in place of the DB, which is something they were going to do for the rest of the drive, anyway, because you need pass rush and running game support in the red zone more than you need speed in the backfield. It’s just pointless rule that won’t provide any real incentive to change the strategy.
 

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When its determined that a player flops, the opposing coach should get to pick a player on the flopper's team to sit out however long the penalty is. And I am all for making the time punished harsh.
 
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