Favre Watch 2008!

[OneParticularHarbor]

You guys should see the media/bystander circus outside Bus Cook's office for the Favre/Cook/Murphy. Grown men standing around in 90-degree heat waiting for a glimpse of any of the principals. It's pretty surreal.</p>

Favre worked out at Oak Grove HS this morning, followed by the media. They followed him in his mini-monster Ford truck to Cook's office, then followed him to his house off Highway 98 a few miles away.</p>

 

[OneParticularHarbor]

You guys should see the media/bystander circus outside Bus Cook's office for the Favre/Cook/Murphy. Grown men standing around in 90-degree heat waiting for a glimpse of any of the principals. It's pretty surreal.</p>

Favre worked out at Oak Grove HS this morning, followed by the media. They followed him in his mini-monster Ford truck to Cook's office, then followed him to his house off Highway 98 a few miles away.</p>

 

[patdog]

He's losing some of that respect with the way he's handling all of this. If I were the Packers, and could afford the $12M salary hit, I'd sit his *** on the bench until he approved a trade to an AFC team.

 

[fishwater99]

If he reports to camp Green Bay has to either let him start or release him.
Either way the Packers lose...</p>

 

[saltybulldog]

The guy put Green Bay back on map. He is one of the most loyal teammates in the league, he had a great year last year, etc. Cant the guy change his mind?

***** about Favre all you want, but the Green Bay management screwed the pooch big time this.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

And quit asking for a first round pick plus others for him.

 

[thunderclap]

So what if Brett hurt your feelings. So what if you "moved on" with Aaron Rodgers. So what.

You have one job. To win. Favre was second in the MVP voting. LAST year. You were a hiccup from the Super Bowl. LAST year. So what if you're feelings are hurt. If Favre wants to play, then he's far and away you're best shot and you're in the hunt again. Right now.

I think Favre has given the Packers plenty over the last 16 years to be allowed to change his mind one time. Or two times or whatever.

 

[oem]

And quit asking for a first round pick plus others for him.

</p>Would you take less than market value for any of your assets? I didn't think so.

 

[8dog]

but you work for someone and you do what they tell you until they no longer have rights to you. Your reward for being good is getting paid and having all the adoration a man can stand. Its not the ability to call the shots.

Im completely with GB on this.

 

[oem]

So what if Brett hurt your feelings. So what if you "moved on" with Aaron Rodgers. So what.

You have one job. To win. Favre was second in the MVP voting. LAST year. You were a hiccup from the Super Bowl. LAST year. So what if you're feelings are hurt. If Favre wants to play, then he's far and away you're best shot and you're in the hunt again. Right now.

I think Favre has given the Packers plenty over the last 16 years to be allowed to change his mind one time. Or two times or whatever.

</p>I think the Packers are handling this situation perfectly by letting him come off as the spoiled prima donna he is. It is time for them to move on.

 

[patdog]

Favre's the one who's been documented as having illegal contact with the Packers biggest rival for the NFC North title this year. There's a hell of a lot more going on here than the Packers "getting their feeling hurt." They committed salary dollars to other players based on Favre saying he was retiring, and then reiterating that to them when they approached him a month later about coming back. They can't just make those commitments go away because Favre decides a couple of weeks before camp that he wants to play for the Vikings. Favre needs to do the reasonable and right thing, which is to approve a trade to a team not in direct competition with the Packers.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

Market value for him may be a second rounder. He'll only play one or two more years.

 

[jakldawg]

I had a major WTF?! moment last week when I saw my high school coaches on SportsCenter during their <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">daily</span> hourly Farvecast. Then, there's the random "Let Favre Play" sign in Brandon. I can only imagine how it is back in the Hub city.

 

[bendog]

you'd think he'd be the starting QB as opposed to a backup QB in Green Bay. Really, if he's not going to be given the opportunity to start no matter what then he is not THAT valuable to the Packers, so there is no sense in them trying to ensure he doesn't play ANYWHERE.

On the other hand, if a deal to the Jets or Tampa can be done then Favre ought to take it and play football. If he really wants to come out of retirement and play then he should be able to do that, but if he's ONLY willing to play for GB or Minnesota then he's rightfully going to be sitting his *** at home.

 

[saltybulldog]

What if Rodgers sucks donkey balls? For every thing GB has given him, he has returned the favor. Whether it be media and general public attention (ad dollars) or playing at a higher level than most GB's over such a long period of time, a player of his capacity should be dealt with a little different. While he has come off looking like a prima donna, GB could be the one left holding their *** in their hands at the end.

The illegal contact w/ the Vikings didnt help him much.

 

[memphisron]

The packers can't let him back into camp. Rodgers will be a nut case with favre as the back up, the fans will hang rodgers the first time he messes up. The packers should release him if they are not going to let him compete for the job. GB mgmt better pray that rodgers turns out ok.

 

[VegasDawg13]

The guy put Green Bay back on map. He is one of the most loyal teammates in the league, he had a great year last year, etc. Cant the guy change his mind?

***** about Favre all you want, but the Green Bay management screwed the pooch big time this.

I think Donald Driver may disagree.</p>Edit: I meant Javon Walker, not Donald Driver.

 

[patdog]

The illegal contact w/ the Vikings didnt help him much.

You just don't go behind your current team's back to try to go to their biggest rival for the title. Even if the Packers pressured him to retire (we only have Favre's words to go by on this and he's proven himself to be less than truthful), you just don't do that. Hell, I even question whether Favre had this whole thing planned out when he "retired" in the first place. Of course, not being too bright, he didn't plan well enough to use a non-Packers issued cell phone to make his illegal contacts.</p>

 

[dawgatUSM]

I work around the corner from Cooks office, and it really was somethin to see...

 

[thunderclap]

who is your best chance to win big this year and probably next? Favre or Rodgers? I agree that Favre has been far from perfect in this whole soap opera. But it's about winning right now.

 

[oem]

who is your best chance to win big this year and probably next? Favre or Rodgers? I agree that Favre has been far from perfect in this whole soap opera. But it's about winning right now.

</p>********. It's about winning for the next 5 years. Same thing happened in SF when the 49'ers said fair well to Montana. SF continued winning. Montana faded away almost unnoticed.

 

[thunderclap]

And the league was different then. Free agency gives you a smaller window.

In other words, we agree to disagree.

 

[oem]

No, I'm saying the Packers are in it for the long haul. Brett Favre is in it for another big paycheck and more stroking of his incredible huge ego. I don't know how Aaron Rogers will do. I do know this. The Packers had a golden opportunity to get to the Super Bowl last year and Favre couldn't get them there. They have a great, young team and they are wisely moving on without the baggage of a Brett Favre farewell tour.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Bret retired, GB moved on, had trades, and or draft based on their personel. They set a new budget, dealing with salary caps. Now Bret wants to come back, adding $12,000,000.00 the budget, what are they to do? TRADE Bret to NO.

 

[ArrowDawg]

........I think you need to also put as much blame on the Green Bay management for this debacle. Favre shouldn't have retired and changed his mind, and I've never liked anyone who does that, but this guy is a sure Hall of Famer(whether you like him or not) and he almost single-handedly revived the Green Bay franchise during the 1990s. His style of play is erratic and unconventional, but it's also FUN AS HELL to watch. How many other quarterbacks had the talent over the years to consistently get away with some of the dumb decisions he's made? He's had a rare ability to turn what normally would be disasterous throws for other QBs into game-winning plays. He also LOVES THIS GAME. Not once have you ever seen Favre throw a TD pass where he didn't celebrate like he was still 12-years-old throwing a TD pass to his best friend in the backyard. For most other players it's just a job.

This is why the Green Bay management should have handled this differently. I understand them wanting to move on with a new QB, and they have that right especially since Favre retired. But Favre actually said himself that he understands them moving on. So what's the problem?!! RESPECT this man and what he did for your franchise and let him go. Let him go play somewhere else if he wants to. He earned that right damn it.

 

[oem]

........I think you need to also put as much blame on the Green Bay management for this debacle. Favre shouldn't have retired and changed his mind, and I've never liked anyone who does that, but this guy is a sure Hall of Famer(whether you like him or not) and he almost single-handedly revived the Green Bay franchise during the 1990s. His style of play is erratic and unconventional, but it's also FUN AS HELL to watch. How many other quarterbacks had the talent over the years to consistently get away with some of the dumb decisions he's made? He's had a rare ability to turn what normally would be disasterous throws for other QBs into game-winning plays. He also LOVES THIS GAME. Not once have you ever seen Favre throw a TD pass where he didn't celebrate like he was still 12-years-old throwing a TD pass to his best friend in the backyard. For most other players it's just a job.

This is why the Green Bay management should have handled this differently. I understand them wanting to move on with a new QB, and they have that right especially since Favre retired. But Favre actually said himself that he understands them moving on. So what's the problem?!! RESPECT this man and what he did for your franchise and let him go. Let him go play somewhere else if he wants to. He earned that right damn it.

</p>He earned the money the Packers paid him. But because he is still under a contract that HE SIGNED with the Packers, he hasn't earned **** in this situation. Football's no different than any other business. The Packers hold the cards in this deal and they have the right to play them however they wish.

 

[thunderclap]

and at the next practice, you walk into the huddle. Who do you want to see calling the play? Aaron Rogers or Brett Favre?

 

[MTNDawg.sixpack]

He was holding out for his "big contract"...something Favre never did. Which one is being the bad teammate? The one who shows up more consecutive days for work than anybody in the history of pro football or one that has had a couple of good years in the league and is complaining about money and not showing up to practice. I hope you don't have the same philosophy where you work.

 

[MTNDawg.sixpack]

If a better company offers me I can ditch what I'm doing and go work for them with proper notice. Let's ditch the business analogies because they don't work.

GB only holds the cards until he shows back up at camp. As soon as he does, GB fans are going to start itching for a winner and if Rogers doesn't provide that quick and they keep Favre benched Ted Thompson will be looking for a new job. Even worse for Rogers, he could throw 3 TD's his first game and everybody will be saying,"the backup could have obviously thrown 4 or 5." If those are the cards you want to be holding I'll play poker with you anyday.</p>

 

[patdog]

If a better company offers me I can ditch what I'm doing and go work for them with proper notice. Let's ditch the business analogies because they don't work.

Ever hear of free agency?

 

[MTNDawg.sixpack]

Free agency is structured and you can't leave anytime you want to. If you haven't noticed what is going on in Green Bay I'll clue you in to something...if Favre was a free agent none of this would be happening, just stating that obvious that you must not have understood before you replied.</p>

 

[patdog]

Brett Favre could have signed a contract for any duration he wanted to. If he'd wanted to be a free agent in a couple of years, he easily could have signed a shorter contract. As for the business analogy, it still applies. If you have a signed long-term contract with your employer that contains non-compete clauses (not uncommon at all), you can't just up and leave to take a job at one of their competitors any time you want to. You have to wait until the contract, and the non-compete clauses, are up. Exactly the same situation Favre is in right now.

Edited to add a real-world business example. A year and a half ago a former client sold his successful restaurant. Last I heard, he's got all his plans ready for his next restaurant, but he can't open it until the non-compete clause expires. Meanwhile, all he can do is sit and wait.

 

[oem]

If a better company offers me I can ditch what I'm doing and go work for them with proper notice. Let's ditch the business analogies because they don't work.

GB only holds the cards until he shows back up at camp. As soon as he does, GB fans are going to start itching for a winner and if Rogers doesn't provide that quick and they keep Favre benched Ted Thompson will be looking for a new job. Even worse for Rogers, he could throw 3 TD's his first game and everybody will be saying,"the backup could have obviously thrown 4 or 5." If those are the cards you want to be holding I'll play poker with you anyday.</p>

</p>You ever heard of a "non-compete"? I have. I can leave tomorrow, but until my non-compete runs out, I can't work for a competitor. So spare me with the business lecture.

 

[MTNDawg.sixpack]

they should have him sign that he won't go to an NFC north team and release him. The Packers are trying to keep him from going to any competetive ballclub which if we want to get technical, would not be allowed by the courts in a non-compete clause because it is unreasonably keeping someone from performing their trade outside a reasonable geographic area, the NFC north. That would be very comparable. I actually worked under a non-compete clause at my last job so I am familiar with them and they aren't very enforceable in the first place unless you take something like a group of clients, a client list, or patented ideas with you. Now Brett Favre being the "Face" of the Packers would definitely be held up in court. Now I'm done with the business analogy.</p>

Edited to add my own: Employee leaves Halliburton and goes to Baker Hughes, doesn't use patented products but does take ideas and connections with him. All of these employess sign non-competes as I did, but this occurs everyday and it is considered unenforceable because they have to be able to prove it with something like a patent violation. Like I agreed with you, Favre's situation would be very enforceable but he would be able to go to anyone he liked outside the division. </p>

 

[patdog]

The only reason any of this is happening is because he wants to play in Minnesota. And I don't blame the Packers for one second for not wanting to see that happen.

 

[MTNDawg.sixpack]

before them. I'd still like to play poker with you if you think the Packers hold the cards. I would also like to play football against a team that sits their best player. Equally ignorant and both things you agree with.

 

[MTNDawg.sixpack]

and I don't think he should go there in the first place. I don't see why he would want to piss off the fanbase that loves him by going to the main rivals. There are other competitive teams but the Jets? I think he should just go back to the Packers and play about 2 of 3 more years because they will eventually have to put him in. If he has another couple good years people will let this whole thing go.</p>

 

[oem]

before them. I'd still like to play poker with you if you think the Packers hold the cards. I would also like to play football against a team that sits their best player. Equally ignorant and both things you agree with.

</p>I'm not latching on to anything. I just know what my non-compete says. And I admit, I'm not much of a poker player. But apparently my 12 year old knows more about business than you do.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Bret needs to go to a DOME team to play. He looked absoutely miserable in the NFC play off game.

 

[VegasDawg13]

That's ********. Favre never held out for a big contract because he never had to. Quarterbacks get taken care of.

Javon Walker perfromed like a top-flight receiver and was being paid like a third option. He held out for more money. It's just the way the system works in the NFL. I don't like it either, but you can't blame a guy for wanting to paid what he deserves since we all know that if he hurt his knee or something and regressed as a player, the Packers would cut his *** without thinking twice about it.

If Favre wanted to try to convince Javon that he should show up for training camp, then do it in private. Going to the media and talking **** about him is not what a "loyal teammate" does.