FC: Notre Dame President and AD pen Op Ed in NYT begging Congress (anyone) to fix college athletics…

Midnighter

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It reads in part:


Congress, too, must act to resolve conflicting state regulations, clarify that our athletes are students, not employees, and give the N.C.A.A. the ability to enact and enforce rules for fair recruiting and compensation.

Professional athletics must play a role, too. Though baseball and hockey allow players to go pro right after high school, the N.B.A. age requirement for draft eligibility forces most of the highly talented players to attend one year of college. The N.F.L. offers no alternative to intercollegiate football until a player has been out of high school for at least three years. Both policies push talented young players to enroll in college regardless of whether they have any interest in the educational experience it offers.

To ensure that players arrive at college only after making an informed choice — and a real commitment to learning — we urge the N.F.L. to establish a minor league alternative for young players. Similarly, we hope that the N.B.A. and its Players’ Union, in accord with the 2018 Commission on College Basketball, use the upcoming contract negotiations to eliminate the “one and done” rule and allow 18-year-olds to proceed directly to the league.


To their credit The Athletic blasts the op ed:

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Instead of trying to find a way to pay revenue-sport athletes their market value as athletes, school administrators complain about the name, image and likeness system foisted upon them by state legislatures who grew tired of seeing schools break the Sherman Act in an effort to keep anyone from providing athletes anything beyond tuition, room and board. Swarbrick and Jenkins are correct that this did result in a sham system, but they conveniently leave out the reason.

The market wants to pay athletes for their value as athletes, and the schools — through the NCAA — forbid this. So the market, as it always does, has devised another way to provide that compensation.

Swarbrick and Jenkins want Congress to declare that athletes aren’t employees even though making athletes employees and then collectively bargaining with them would actually solve many of the problems that vex them so. Essentially, Swarbrick, Jenkins and their ilk would like someone else to fix the mess they themselves made. Neither Congress nor the NFL nor the NBA should let them off the hook. The people running the schools cashed the checks. They can, and should, figure it out on their own.
 
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I don't see that, but I hate ND, so it's ok with me.

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Points they make include 1) most of the players do not have that much value in the open advertising market and public appearance market on a NIL basis. How many are going to buy a t shirt because it has a backup left guard's name on it or pay for an autograph of a backup. When NIl was thought of years ago the idea was that players could do advertising, public events, sign autographs, etc and make money based on how the public valued meeting them or bought products with their name or image on them.. Obviously what NIL has become has had no resemblance to the original idea of years ago. Players get paid at many schools just for being on scholarship and walking on campus. 2) how much athletic depts spend on nonrevenue sports and most of women sports --which have relatively equivalent scholarships-are nonrevenue. Editorial makes sense but I doubt it has much impact on what is happening.
 

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It reads in part:


Congress, too, must act to resolve conflicting state regulations, clarify that our athletes are students, not employees, and give the N.C.A.A. the ability to enact and enforce rules for fair recruiting and compensation.

Professional athletics must play a role, too. Though baseball and hockey allow players to go pro right after high school, the N.B.A. age requirement for draft eligibility forces most of the highly talented players to attend one year of college. The N.F.L. offers no alternative to intercollegiate football until a player has been out of high school for at least three years. Both policies push talented young players to enroll in college regardless of whether they have any interest in the educational experience it offers.

To ensure that players arrive at college only after making an informed choice — and a real commitment to learning — we urge the N.F.L. to establish a minor league alternative for young players. Similarly, we hope that the N.B.A. and its Players’ Union, in accord with the 2018 Commission on College Basketball, use the upcoming contract negotiations to eliminate the “one and done” rule and allow 18-year-olds to proceed directly to the league.


To their credit The Athletic blasts the op ed:

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Instead of trying to find a way to pay revenue-sport athletes their market value as athletes, school administrators complain about the name, image and likeness system foisted upon them by state legislatures who grew tired of seeing schools break the Sherman Act in an effort to keep anyone from providing athletes anything beyond tuition, room and board. Swarbrick and Jenkins are correct that this did result in a sham system, but they conveniently leave out the reason.

The market wants to pay athletes for their value as athletes, and the schools — through the NCAA — forbid this. So the market, as it always does, has devised another way to provide that compensation.

Swarbrick and Jenkins want Congress to declare that athletes aren’t employees even though making athletes employees and then collectively bargaining with them would actually solve many of the problems that vex them so. Essentially, Swarbrick, Jenkins and their ilk would like someone else to fix the mess they themselves made. Neither Congress nor the NFL nor the NBA should let them off the hook. The people running the schools cashed the checks. They can, and should, figure it out on their own.
 

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It reads in part:


Congress, too, must act to resolve conflicting state regulations, clarify that our athletes are students, not employees, and give the N.C.A.A. the ability to enact and enforce rules for fair recruiting and compensation.

Professional athletics must play a role, too. Though baseball and hockey allow players to go pro right after high school, the N.B.A. age requirement for draft eligibility forces most of the highly talented players to attend one year of college. The N.F.L. offers no alternative to intercollegiate football until a player has been out of high school for at least three years. Both policies push talented young players to enroll in college regardless of whether they have any interest in the educational experience it offers.

To ensure that players arrive at college only after making an informed choice — and a real commitment to learning — we urge the N.F.L. to establish a minor league alternative for young players. Similarly, we hope that the N.B.A. and its Players’ Union, in accord with the 2018 Commission on College Basketball, use the upcoming contract negotiations to eliminate the “one and done” rule and allow 18-year-olds to proceed directly to the league.


To their credit The Athletic blasts the op ed:

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Instead of trying to find a way to pay revenue-sport athletes their market value as athletes, school administrators complain about the name, image and likeness system foisted upon them by state legislatures who grew tired of seeing schools break the Sherman Act in an effort to keep anyone from providing athletes anything beyond tuition, room and board. Swarbrick and Jenkins are correct that this did result in a sham system, but they conveniently leave out the reason.

The market wants to pay athletes for their value as athletes, and the schools — through the NCAA — forbid this. So the market, as it always does, has devised another way to provide that compensation.

Swarbrick and Jenkins want Congress to declare that athletes aren’t employees even though making athletes employees and then collectively bargaining with them would actually solve many of the problems that vex them so. Essentially, Swarbrick, Jenkins and their ilk would like someone else to fix the mess they themselves made. Neither Congress nor the NFL nor the NBA should let them off the hook. The people running the schools cashed the checks. They can, and should, figure it out on their own.

 
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It reads in part:


Congress, too, must act to resolve conflicting state regulations, clarify that our athletes are students, not employees, and give the N.C.A.A. the ability to enact and enforce rules for fair recruiting and compensation.

Professional athletics must play a role, too. Though baseball and hockey allow players to go pro right after high school, the N.B.A. age requirement for draft eligibility forces most of the highly talented players to attend one year of college. The N.F.L. offers no alternative to intercollegiate football until a player has been out of high school for at least three years. Both policies push talented young players to enroll in college regardless of whether they have any interest in the educational experience it offers.

To ensure that players arrive at college only after making an informed choice — and a real commitment to learning — we urge the N.F.L. to establish a minor league alternative for young players. Similarly, we hope that the N.B.A. and its Players’ Union, in accord with the 2018 Commission on College Basketball, use the upcoming contract negotiations to eliminate the “one and done” rule and allow 18-year-olds to proceed directly to the league.


To their credit The Athletic blasts the op ed:

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Instead of trying to find a way to pay revenue-sport athletes their market value as athletes, school administrators complain about the name, image and likeness system foisted upon them by state legislatures who grew tired of seeing schools break the Sherman Act in an effort to keep anyone from providing athletes anything beyond tuition, room and board. Swarbrick and Jenkins are correct that this did result in a sham system, but they conveniently leave out the reason.

The market wants to pay athletes for their value as athletes, and the schools — through the NCAA — forbid this. So the market, as it always does, has devised another way to provide that compensation.

Swarbrick and Jenkins want Congress to declare that athletes aren’t employees even though making athletes employees and then collectively bargaining with them would actually solve many of the problems that vex them so. Essentially, Swarbrick, Jenkins and their ilk would like someone else to fix the mess they themselves made. Neither Congress nor the NFL nor the NBA should let them off the hook. The people running the schools cashed the checks. They can, and should, figure it out on their own.
Come on ND, just give up scholarships and become an IVY and you can be pure. Oh and you won’t have to worry about TV money either .🍀😂
 

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Why is this a government issue? These people have all the degrees after their names…figure it out. They’re just like the parents who run to the admin at schools to complain about a minor issue with their kid. They always want someone else to fix their problem. And while they‘re at it…cut the pork from the academic budgets so college can be more affordable…. im so tired of the academia BS. Rant over.….for now 🤨
 

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Congress, too, must act to resolve conflicting state regulations, clarify that our athletes are students, not employees, and give the N.C.A.A. the ability to enact and enforce rules for fair recruiting and compensation.

If Notre Dame or any other NCAA institution wanted to clarify that their athletes are students, not employees they could do the sensible thing and make sure that the time spent in their sport (practice, training, watching film, games, etc.) does not exceed their hourly credit load. None of this 20+ hr for the sport whilst taking 12 credit hours of classes.
 
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Come on ND, just give up scholarships and become an IVY and you can be pure. Oh and you won’t have to worry about TV money either .🍀😂
Good example of Notre Dame hypocrisy. They could easily transition to an Ivy League model to show their commitment to the student-athlete ideal (which, to be honest, never existed in the first place). But they don't want to do that because the university makes too much money from athletics. Sports are used as a marketing tool, just as they are at every other university involved in big time college athletics. Without athletics, especially football, Notre Dame would just be a nice little Catholic school in a rundown city in northern Indiana.
 

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Good example of Notre Dame hypocrisy. They could easily transition to an Ivy League model to show their commitment to the student-athlete ideal (which, to be honest, never existed in the first place). But they don't want to do that because the university makes too much money from athletics. Sports are used as a marketing tool, just as they are at every other university involved in big time college athletics. Without athletics, especially football, Notre Dame would just be a nice little Catholic school in a rundown city in northern Indiana.

nd just lured away and greatly overpaid an inexperienced basketball coach, but they are committed to the student-athlete ideal.

o_O
 

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Had to do some driving around today and saw that ND AD John Swarbrick was on Yahoo's College Football Enquirer podcast. The hosts basically gave him the floor and the foundation for his wanting change is basically that he believes that Notre Dame vs. Michigan is bigger than who is playing for which team. Which is also why he believes there should be some kind of developmental or minor league for football. He has no interest in athletes that do not want to also be students. Of course, he thinks all schools want what ND wants - and the hosts pushed back on pretty much every point with - ‘what is the problem?’ with NIL, paying players, etc. These innovations have helped schools who are in the football business and hurt those who can’t or won’t keep up (ND included). He also said ND will remain independent as long as people still want to play them, they have a TV contract that puts them on every week, and they have a path to the National Championship. He’s a big hypocrite.
 

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Had to do some driving around today and saw that ND AD John Swarbrick was on Yahoo's College Football Enquirer podcast. The hosts basically gave him the floor and the foundation for his wanting change is basically that he believes that Notre Dame vs. Michigan is bigger than who is playing for which team. Which is also why he believes there should be some kind of developmental or minor league for football. He has no interest in athletes that do not want to also be students. Of course, he thinks all schools want what ND wants - and the hosts pushed back on pretty much every point with - ‘what is the problem?’ with NIL, paying players, etc. These innovations have helped schools who are in the football business and hurt those who can’t or won’t keep up (ND included). He also said ND will remain independent as long as people still want to play them, they have a TV contract that puts them on every week, and they have a path to the National Championship. He’s a big hypocrite.
He is right about ND vs Michigan is bigger than who is playing…if not, nobody would buy season tickets, they’d wait to see who is on the team each year. Barkley was my favorite Penn State player of all time, but I didn’t stop being a fan when he left. Same as in the past when my favorite players were OJ McDuffie and then KiJana. If it was about the players, then why wouldn’t 100,000 fans show up to watch Barkley if he had gone to Kent State?
 

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He is right about ND vs Michigan is bigger than who is playing…if not, nobody would buy season tickets, they’d wait to see who is on the team each year. Barkley was my favorite Penn State player of all time, but I didn’t stop being a fan when he left. Same as in the past when my favorite players were OJ McDuffie and then KiJana. If it was about the players, then why wouldn’t 100,000 fans show up to watch Barkley if he had gone to Kent State?

Because it’s both.
 

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Had to do some driving around today and saw that ND AD John Swarbrick was on Yahoo's College Football Enquirer podcast. The hosts basically gave him the floor and the foundation for his wanting change is basically that he believes that Notre Dame vs. Michigan is bigger than who is playing for which team. Which is also why he believes there should be some kind of developmental or minor league for football. He has no interest in athletes that do not want to also be students. Of course, he thinks all schools want what ND wants - and the hosts pushed back on pretty much every point with - ‘what is the problem?’ with NIL, paying players, etc. These innovations have helped schools who are in the football business and hurt those who can’t or won’t keep up (ND included). He also said ND will remain independent as long as people still want to play them, they have a TV contract that puts them on every week, and they have a path to the National Championship. He’s a big hypocrite.
He gave us the answer He also said ND will remain independent as long as people still want to play them,. DON’T PLAY THEM. That should be BIG policy.
 

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He gave us the answer He also said ND will remain independent as long as people still want to play them,. DON’T PLAY THEM. That should be BIG policy.
Well... Hypothetically speaking if the PAC 12 dissolves (and it will) without USC and UCLA and if the ACC dissolves (and it will) without FSU or Clemson then IMHO ND does not have a leg to stand on... Swarbrick is in the third stage of grief right now... bargaining. Sadly for him and Father Jenkins acceptance is coming sooner than they think.
 

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Well... Hypothetically speaking if the PAC 12 dissolves (and it will) without USC and UCLA and if the ACC dissolves (and it will) without FSU or Clemson then IMHO ND does not have a leg to stand on... Swarbrick is in the third stage of grief right now... bargaining. Sadly for him and Father Jenkins acceptance is coming sooner than they think.


 
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But it’s not…doesn’t matter who the players are, people follow the school. There’s new players every year, yet the fans still show up.

Well, they still have to win for the most part. Or demonstrate the desire to win (like Nebraska). And that includes recruiting top players. So, it’s both. If it weren’t, why would Notre Dame or anyone else spend the kind of money it does on coaches, scholarships, and facilities? Because you can’t win without top players. And top players want to go to top schools. And top schools tend to spend a lot of money on things recruits like (facilities, coaches). Players may be new each year, but the promise of winning isn’t.
 

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Well, they still have to win for the most part. Or demonstrate the desire to win (like Nebraska). And that includes recruiting top players. So, it’s both. If it weren’t, why would Notre Dame or anyone else spend the kind of money it does on coaches, scholarships, and facilities? Because you can’t win without top players. And top players want to go to top schools. And top schools tend to spend a lot of money on things recruits like (facilities, coaches). Players may be new each year, but the promise of winning isn’t.
But it’s still the university fans are following and not the individual players.
 

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But it’s still the university fans are following and not the individual players.

They follow and support the school if they win. Players are the reason for that. Swap ND and Michigan’a rosters with Toledo and Central Michigan in perpetuity and see how many fans pack the stadium when there is nothing on the line. It will be Harvard vs Yale of the Midwest (and save alums, no one will care).

In the literal sense you are right - but it’s not as simple as you are making it. But you know that.
 

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They follow and support the school if they win. Players are the reason for that. Swap ND and Michigan’a rosters with Toledo and Central Michigan in perpetuity and see how many fans pack the stadium when there is nothing on the line. It will be Harvard vs Yale of the Midwest (and save alums, no one will care).

In the literal sense you are right - but it’s not as simple as you are making it. But you know that.
If they only follow them if they win, then why does Nebraska sell out every game? And why don’t FCS schools who win get 100,000 fans per game? And a lot of those schools have a lot of talent.
 

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If they only follow them if they win, then why does Nebraska sell out every game? And why don’t FCS schools who win get 100,000 fans per game? And a lot of those schools have a lot of talent.

Gonna put a pin in this for now; the answers to your questions are pretty obvious though.
 

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Why is this a government issue? These people have all the degrees after their names…figure it out. They’re just like the parents who run to the admin at schools to complain about a minor issue with their kid. They always want someone else to fix their problem. And while they‘re at it…cut the pork from the academic budgets so college can be more affordable…. im so tired of the academia BS. Rant over.….for now 🤨
It’s a government issue because student athletes have the right to earn through their NIL without restriction. The NCAA can’t limit that right. Therefore the request to regulate what an athlete can earn via nil can only be achieved through a change of law. An ncaa regulation would be illegal.

None of the major sports are limitless in what they can pay their athletes. In that way there is collective control over wages. This fosters competitive balance.
and before you argue that Nike can pay an athlete whatever they want, they can’t pay that athlete whatever they want to play for a particular team. In college they can.
you can disagree with their request but you can’t disagree with the above. It’s the way it is.
 
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It’s a government issue because student athletes have the right to earn through their NIL without restriction. The NCAA can’t limit that right. Therefore the request to regulate what an athlete can earn via nil can only be achieved through a change of law. An ncaa regulation would be illegal.

None of the major sports are limitless in what they can pay their athletes. In that way there is collective control over wages. This fosters competitive balance.
and before you argue that Nike can pay an athlete whatever they want, they can’t pay that athlete whatever they want to play for a particular team. In college they can.
you can disagree with their request but you can’t disagree with the above. It’s the way it is.
I wasn‘t going to argue any of this actually.
 

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Want to know how seriously Congress takes NIL? There was a hearing recently and aside from it being an overall clown show, this is who was invited to appear:

Lawmakers questioned six witnesses for nearly three hours. They heard from two college sports administrators, the president of a Division II university, a former NFL player, a current Florida State softball player and one of the leaders of an athletes’ advocacy group.

1 AD from a Power Five conference, zero representation from a collective, no current football or basketball players, no Power Five coaches or university presidents. You get the idea.

 

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Yeah, congress fix something? I think ND needs to wake up and realize congress can't fix a damn thing.
 
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When you place truly incompetent people, and/or people who are looking out solely for their self interests, into positions of authority, bad things happen.

College sports - at the "P5" level for money-sports - is dead. Just that no one has taken the time to write the obituary yet - not until all the juice has been milked from the cow.
What, if anything, will take its place? Who knows?
 
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