FC/OT: Can someone explain this?

LionJim

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Just to clarify, Giles has played 125 more games than Soto.
 

NoSoup4U

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Explain what exactly? not sure what point you are making here

1) similar players stats wise So what?
a)Giles has no awards an honors? is that point?? um very good player sucky team
2)Are you looking for contract differences
a) Um sucky team and ownership
3) War difference? different points of time of what the AVG Replacement baseline is
a) green only represents who is better comparatively and as noted ---125 games is almost one full season add -an avg season for soto to his stats now what do the number say?
 

Midnighter

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Explain what exactly? not sure what point you are making here

1) similar players stats wise So what?
a)Giles has no awards an honors? is that point?? um very good player sucky team
2)Are you looking for contract differences
a) Um sucky team and ownership
3) War difference? different points of time of what the AVG Replacement baseline is
a) green only represents who is better comparatively and as noted ---125 games is almost one full season add -an avg season for soto to his stats now what do the number say?

Numbers say he’s overpaid.
 

doctornick

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I’m not sure what you are asking but Giles played in a higher offense era, thus the unadjusted stars look more impressive. But when you adjust for context, Soto is a lot better - and just entering his prime! - this the higher WAR and OPS+.
 
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Moogy

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What do you need explained to you?

Giles didn't even hit the bigs until he was 24. Well, 25, really ... he got a couple handfuls of ABs at 24 as a call-up. Juan Soto posted those numbers before he was 26 years old.

So, almost before Giles' 51.1 WAR career started, Soto has a 36.4 WAR head start on him.

Giles' best season was 6.7 WAR, at age 28. So, that would be not this year, not the next year, but the year after next for Soto. And Soto has already posted a 7.9 WAR season and a 7.1 WAR season. When Giles was 25, he was contributing 1.4 WAR. At 25, Soto contributed 7.9 WAR.

Giles' best 4 years were 6.7, 6.4, 5.4 and 5.3 WAR ... all within a 4-year span running from age 28 to 31.
Soto's best 4 years were 7.9, 7.1, 5.5 and 5.5 WAR ... all before age 26.

Soto also added an age 20 5.0 WAR season ... better than any of Giles' other seasons, outside of his 4-year peak.

And Soto's age 21 season was COVID-shortened, where he posted 2.4 WAR in 49 games of a 60 game season and finished 5th in MVP voting. That WAR rate would have put him on pace for 6.5 WAR over the course of a 162 game season, assuming he played the same 82% of total games that he played in the shortened season.
 

Moogy

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Just to clarify, Giles has played 125 more games than Soto.
Well, really, Giles has played 911 more games than Soto in their entire careers, to date.

Midnighter's comparison was silly, because it took one's prime years, and compared them to the other's baby years, when Giles was languishing in the minors.
 
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NoSoup4U

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Well, really, Giles has played 911 more games than Soto in their entire careers, to date.

Midnighter's comparison was silly, because it took one's prime years, and compared them to the other's baby years, when Giles was languishing in the minors.
didnt even look at the age aspect and using the same website that analysis is already provided

Night and Day----- Contract is for paying for future output to which Soto hasn't even gotten there yet compared to Giles

Giles:

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Soto
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