Im not normally a big fire everyone guy…. But are we really going 2-10 with the worst defense in the country and the only people losing their jobs are the people who make videos for YouTube?
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It's being said that David Turner's 1 year contract was not extended and expires in January. Other than that, it looks like Lenny is running it back with the rest. Depressing we made such a huge mistake.
I think Keenum, and by proxy Selmon, are like the rest of the big contingent of our fanbase that thinks Leach didn't recruit, and that our talent is so low that it's a 3-year rebuild or whatever. They don't understand what is needed for MSU football. So in that vein, I can see why they want to retain Hutzler, to continue to recruit and build toward this fake year 3 (and obviously steal money from MSU while they do it).
Problem for them is that even the mouth-breathers are realizing something isn't right. But even still, they are trying to scapegoat Hutzler when the problem is Lebby, and ultimately Selmon, and even beyond that.....Keenum's involvement in athletics.
This whole attitude of misunderstanding and ignorance is why our football program sucks, and has sucked for the majority of our history. The only way we are going to break out of this is for a very strong AD and good coach to align for the solid part of a decade, in order to change the thinking of our idiots and leadership. We need to taste some real success, not just a few wins over Ole Miss and a brief run to #1.
Problem for them is that even the mouth-breathers are realizing something isn't right. But even still, they are trying to scapegoat Hutzler when the problem is Lebby, and ultimately Selmon, and even beyond that.....Keenum's involvement in athletics.
This whole attitude of misunderstanding and ignorance is why our football program sucks, and has sucked for the majority of our history. The only way we are going to break out of this is for a very strong AD and good coach to align for the solid part of a decade, in order to change the thinking of our idiots and leadership. We need to taste some real success, not just a few wins over Ole Miss and a brief run to #1.
I don't care if Lebby keeps Hutzler another year. If he is convinced Hutzler is the guy then fine. Maybe he is and the cupboard was bare. He's the head coach so he is accountable for all his decisions. Time to move on.
Name some of our DL talent that we were putting on the field. I will hang up and listen
Toledo put up 454 total yards of offense against this team and 169 rush yards. The only team that gave up more total yards to Toledo this year was Akron. Akron is also the only team that gave up more rushing yards than us.
So, are you telling me that Duquesne, Umass, western Kentucky, Miami Ohio, Buffalo, northern Illinois, bowling green, eastern Michigan, central Michigan and Ohio have better DL talent?
At the end of the day, I’m fine with this as well I guess. But if it’s a disaster again next year, I sure hope we don’t let lebby try and change coordinators then. Who the hell would sign up for a lame duck coach?
Right. Not the 7 figure people either. The ones who make $40 grand a year and it will ruin their family's Christmas.
I have a special intolerance for the low life's that fire working stiffs 2-3 weeks before Christmas to get them off the books this calendar year. They didn't start sucking this week. You just used them until signing day and then pulled the trigger.
Wait until the first or second week of January. I just demoted a manager yesterday. Really sucked. I wanted to wait until after the holidays but I couldn't leave him in charge any longer. He's still getting his bonus and paid decently and his kids will have toys under the tree. If he doesn't improve, I'll let him go in January when people are hiring again.
Canning people in December is chicken shìt. People commit suicide over stuff like that.. it's especially chicken shìt when you have 7 figure incompetent boobs that are going to stuff their fat unshaven turkey neck faces and lose 10 more games next year.
17 these clowns.
Akron is coached by none other than Sloe Joe Moorhead by the way, just sayin............
It’s obvious a lot of folks have never dealt with separations before. We’re only privy to one side of that story. Also, 99% of the time, the individual is provided a nice severance. December separations suck but that’s also life.
i would hope a half decent DC, could tell his untalented DB’s to not play their matchup 10 yds off the line when it’s 3rd and 2.
Akron also beat Toledo. We really did suck.
Maybe Hutzler will attend some defensive coaching clinics during the off season.
I kinda made that up, but seem to recall something like that earlier in the season..
I fully expect football to suck next season. This is why I am not renewing my tickets. I might buy secondary market tickets to two road games. I want to go to the Swamp to watch a game. I will probably go to A&m or Arkansas. I could still renew my tickets but as of right now it's a no go. If the AD don't care then I don't care.
I have dealt with more than most will ever care to think about. Worked for a big public construction related company from 2006-2015. Watched it go from 50,000 employees to less than 13,000. It was brutal. My immediate team went from 20 to 2 of us in 2007-08 during a mass hatcheting. Had a regional manager commit suicide during one of the layoffs a few years later. Always between Thanksgiving and Christmas. Empty suits make the decisions and I enjoyed when the pendulum swung their way every so often. An angel gets it's wings every time someone in HR or middle management gets shítcanned.
With great joy I quit in 2015 to work under my own shingle and on my way out I called them a bunch of cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-***, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sacks of monkey ****. The only places that match the mindless bureaucrats of government are the mindless bureaucrats in middle management of public companies.
The defense got better. For example We held OM below their SEC average for points and yards.
I would say OM had one of the best offenses in the sec this year.
I would say OM had one of the best offenses in the sec this year.
The YouTubers are far cheaper to fire. Sucks, but that's just how it be sometimes.
THE problem is that when you run a niche program/system, you have to recruit for it. When, inevitably, the day comes your niche system isn't being run anymore, the recruits you recruited for your niche system WILL NOT fit the next system and you ultimately look like a bad recruiter.
That's why everyone with a brain who follows MSU football realizes that this was always going to be a 2 - 3 year rebuild for Lebby (or whoever the next real HC was after Leach). The ONLY reason why it's not a 3 - 5 year rebuild is because of the portal.
Couple of issues with that:
1) It's never been a problem with Leach before, because he runs a passing offense. Those players can be easily taught to run-block. Pass-blocking is much harder to implement. He left the Texas Tech and Washington State programs in good shape.
2) 3-year was the max 'rebuild', whatever that really means, in the old system. Portal era, it's 1-2 max, if you know what you're doing.
On top of that, the only 'niche' that is that big of a deal to work out of is the triple option. The rest is just doing things differently. And beyond that, we need to have an overall plan to work from year after year, coach after coach, so we aren't changing the offensive personnel continuously.
Human Resources is the portal in which Satan enters the earth.
Both things can be true. Leach and Arnett whiffed big on a lot defense recruits. We put most of effort in having 20 receivers on roster qbs that could run air raid and lineman that only pass block. When we transitioned into even a modern air raid the line had to change. The veer and shoot requires lineman that can do both and play the rpo. I don't think Lebby and staff recruited well enough there getting g5 guys. On defense he gave little attention there too just like leach so it continued to get worse after the 5 and 6th year guys left. Our two linebackers last year that carried the defense were sure seniors from before leach. Lebby didn't recruit good enough coaches or players for that side so it just got worse with even less talent. So both are true
That's called we are scared to get burned to keep everything in front even on short yardage. Scared play calling because he doesn't think he has talent or he thinks the talent is better than it is to break on a route that far back
Maybe Lebby will attend a coaches conference and make some better hires. We made fun of Mullen for this but his hires turned out better than lebbys
That's not really true at all. I can tell you never played line or at least outside jv. Guys that mostly pass block it's difficult to pick up the run blocking schemes and things you do for different run plays other than a draw that leach ran. Blocking schemes can be complex as in zone or man up or pull blocks or reads on the rpo.
There was always going to be a change the day we moved on from leach in any way. Arnett just tried to do the most difficult version of it rather than a phased approached or complete overhaul in the portal. Lebby just got okay lineman and not that good of oline coavh. Can thank Briles connections for that one. Lebby knew he ran the Briles offense before.
Leach and Lebby both put way too much emphasis on receiver and qb rather than the line of scrimmage. I would say leach much better at that. Leach didn't emphasis defensive fronts at all and we are paying for it now with our defensive front 7 being Swiss cheese most of the last two years after those super seniors all left
Haha, our biggest problem is on defense and you try to blame it on Leach and his niche offense? Leach had 2 very good RBs and they both transferred out for NIL. The only players missing were TEs.
Leach has been gone for two years so us folks with a brain don't blame him for this mess.
There isn’t anything that group could have done that was more egregious than the defense staff.
I obviously disagree, but you got me there. I definitely was not a lineman.
The bigger issue is, why the 17 are we arguing about this shlt anyway because we all see that Lenny can’t get it done and has no real plan. Mullen had a plan…..and he came in with guys Croom taught to play Croom Coast Offense, and it immediately translated to the spread. It was common knowledge at the time that spread offenses were easier to install and understand.
But again, the bigger point is that Mullen was a good head coach, and Lenny is not.
He also did not leave Wazzu and TT in the hands of a complete imbecile like Z. I'm ready for 25 suckage and a complete enema of the entire staff next Christmas. I want Keenum, Salmon, and Lenny and all coaches associated w/the knucklehead gone
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