For the Clifford haters

Nits1989

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"Don't know what you've got till it's gone."
You have been and are correct. History has shown that PSU’s evaluation of Clifford was reasonable. You have been consistent and steady when it comes to Clifford. It’s nice to see Clifford achieving things and getting recognition. He deserves it. I admire him because he persevered in the face of adversity. Nobody was blowing sunshine up his you know what like some other players. He earned what he has the hard way. That should be respected. Sorry for the long post but I wanted to acknowledge your steady support that was frequently criticized.
 

marshall23

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You have been and are correct. History has shown that PSU’s evaluation of Clifford was reasonable. You have been consistent and steady when it comes to Clifford. It’s nice to see Clifford achieving things and getting recognition. He deserves it. I admire him because he persevered in the face of adversity. Nobody was blowing sunshine up his you know what like some other players. He earned what he has the hard way. That should be respected. Sorry for the long post but I wanted to acknowledge your steady support that was frequently criticized.
My admiration for Cliff is colored by my coaching life. He is the type of player coaches lay the foundation of their program around.
 

psuro

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Jesus, nobody hated Clifford,
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Bob78

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My admiration for Cliff is colored by my coaching life. He is the type of player coaches lay the foundation of their program around.
In retrospect, Cliff was like so many of our QBs under JVP - good, not great, had a few big games and a few bad ones, often did enough to win, or to manage the game while others did their thing, had some big time moments (final drive at Purdue last season) and games (this past season's Rose Bowl), but was never going to be confused with whoever was the #1 team All-American QB of a particular year. But, he was the best QB on the squad at the time, and overall, PSU was a pretty good team with him healthy.
Think 2019 season and Cotton Bowl, 2022 season and Rose Bowl - big, fun, entertaining, and still frustrating seasons that typifies the QBs I'm talking about.
 

Connorpozlee

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Jesus, nobody hated Clifford, good for him, hope he sticks around like TM.
Right. For Gods sake, he wasn’t Anthony Morelli! That’s a QB that was hated!
Brings up an interesting question. Most disliked (I won’t use “hate”) PSU player of all time. Morelli? Pre-sanction team McGloin?
 

Bob78

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Right. For Gods sake, he wasn’t Anthony Morelli! That’s a QB that was hated!
Brings up an interesting question. Most disliked (I won’t use “hate”) PSU player of all time. Morelli? Pre-sanction team McGloin?
Interesting to bring up Morelli. We fans expected so much from him. As one long-time but retired coach told me at the time, Morelli just never understood the offense, and even when it was, let's say... modified for him, he had trouble grasping it. Lots of arm talent, limited grasp of the O, leading to some head scratching games and losses. And leading to major fan frustration.

Yeah, McGloin played like a walk-on QB in 2010 and 2011, and the fans treated him as such. While I think Jay gets too much criticism for his QB coaching (see 2005 MRob and 2008 & 2009 Daryll Clark), his not seeing the potential in McGloin over Bolden's actual performances (well, most of them), was a problem for the offense and the team. McGloin stumbled, for sure, but it seemed Bolden was either ok at best or really bad. At the time, I was among the fans who did not think McGloin would pan out no matter what, so I was not in his corner then. In 2012, he proved me and many others wrong, and turned in a great season.
 
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bbrown

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Right. For Gods sake, he wasn’t Anthony Morelli! That’s a QB that was hated!
Brings up an interesting question. Most disliked (I won’t use “hate”) PSU player of all time. Morelli? Pre-sanction team McGloin?
I don't "hate" any PSU players. But as for QB's I didn't like, as far as their QB play, Matt Seneca and Rob Bolden are the first 2 that come to mind.
And I don't think Morelli was as horrible as everyone else. He didn't have the best offensive mind to help him out.cough, cough Jay.
 

psuro

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Well, we have another Clifford who still has a few years of eligibility left.....so I suggest starting the hate now....to avoid the rush later.
 

Connorpozlee

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I don't "hate" any PSU players. But as for QB's I didn't like, as far as their QB play, Matt Seneca and Rob Bolden are the first 2 that come to mind.
And I don't think Morelli was as horrible as everyone else. He didn't have the best offensive mind to help him out.cough, cough Jay.
I would put Bolden in the category of most head scratchingly overrated coming in. The guy was horrendous and never looked like he had any idea how to play QB, ever.
 

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That's a great honor for Sean and well deserved. Though I think a few folks on here are confusing it with the Heisman; according to the article "The recognition is bestowed annually on a graduating male and female athlete for every conference athletic program."
 
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psuno1

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Good for Cliff, he is going to have a 5 to 10 year career in the NFL as back up Qb.
 
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Blair10

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Interesting to bring up Morelli. We fans expected so much from him. As one long-time but retired coach told me at the time, Morelli just never understood the offense, and even when it was, let's say... modified for him, he had trouble grasping it. Lots of arm talent, limited grasp of the O, leading to some head scratching games and losses. And leading to major fan frustration.

Yeah, McGloin played like a walk-on QB in 2010 and 2011, and the fans treated him as such. While I think Jay gets too much criticism for his QB coaching (see 2005 MRob and 2008 & 2009 Daryll Clark), his not seeing the potential in McGloin over Bolden's actual performances (well, most of them), was a problem for the offense and the team. McGloin stumbled, for sure, but it seemed Bolden was either ok at best or really bad. At the time, I was among the fans who did not think McGloin would pan out no matter what, so I was not in his corner then. In 2012, he proved me and many others wrong, and turned in a great season.

Bob, you are getting soft as you age. What’s up with the revisionist history? JayPa remembered as a good QB coach now? Matt (Mr. pick six) McGloin is suddenly remembered as a very good PSU QB? Surely, you must be joking. I almost fell for it.