Franklin’s PC today

grinagrin

Active member
Oct 25, 2021
241
449
63
I’m not trying to be too critical as I really like CJF as our Coach and leader but I must say he has a hard time “admitting” when he’s wrong or other people/suggestions were right. Understand that I don’t ever expect a Coach to publicly say “he was wrong” but the way he talks about some things that he has changed his way of doing comes off as somewhat petty.

In today’s meeting with the media he takes this backhanded shot when discussing the newly implemented deep handoffs to the TB with the QB under center. Now many people have always questioned him as to why our QB never goes under center for the TB to get a head start running down hill instead of getting the carry from a stand still position. He has always answered with remarks like, “we don’t have time to practice it, it’s not easy to get adjusted to when you’re always in shotgun, blah blah blah” He has also given this answer as to why we never QB sneaked under center when we would need less than a yard, instead of trying when the QB gets the ball 5 yard behind the LOS.

When talking about it today he says, and I’m paraphrasing, “you know, even though the TB’s are taking the deep handoffs, I just want to point out that it’s the same mesh point as if they were getting the ball from the shotgun”. Petty
It’s as if he’s saying “yes this method has been successful but it’s really just a coincidence cause it’s the same mesh point”….is he not getting it that it’s not about where the TB gets the hand off but about having momentum when getting the carry and being able to set up play action from these formations? Or he is he too stubborn to say that these sort of things should have been implemented earlier?

Anyways, I know in the grand scheme of things this is not a big deal, but his comment there rubbed me the wrong way. I’m glad we have more and more experienced Offensive Analysts that hopefully CJF is leaning into.
 

Midnighter

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
9,637
15,389
113
I’m not trying to be too critical as I really like CJF as our Coach and leader but I must say he has a hard time “admitting” when he’s wrong or other people/suggestions were right. Understand that I don’t ever expect a Coach to publicly say “he was wrong” but the way he talks about some things that he has changed his way of doing comes off as somewhat petty.

In today’s meeting with the media he takes this backhanded shot when discussing the newly implemented deep handoffs to the TB with the QB under center. Now many people have always questioned him as to why our QB never goes under center for the TB to get a head start running down hill instead of getting the carry from a stand still position. He has always answered with remarks like, “we don’t have time to practice it, it’s not easy to get adjusted to when you’re always in shotgun, blah blah blah” He has also given this answer as to why we never QB sneaked under center when we would need less than a yard, instead of trying when the QB gets the ball 5 yard behind the LOS.

When talking about it today he says, and I’m paraphrasing, “you know, even though the TB’s are taking the deep handoffs, I just want to point out that it’s the same mesh point as if they were getting the ball from the shotgun”. Petty
It’s as if he’s saying “yes this method has been successful but it’s really just a coincidence cause it’s the same mesh point”….is he not getting it that it’s not about where the TB gets the hand off but about having momentum when getting the carry and being able to set up play action from these formations? Or he is he too stubborn to say that these sort of things should have been implemented earlier?

Anyways, I know in the grand scheme of things this is not a big deal, but his comment there rubbed me the wrong way. I’m glad we have more and more experienced Offensive Analysts that hopefully CJF is leaning into.

It’s a good observation - he’s fixated on where the exchange takes place not how much momentum the RB has when getting the ball. So, he’s right, but as noted, that was never the criticism. 3-0…can’t argue with much.
 

FTLPSU

Well-known member
Oct 6, 2021
904
852
93
Thanks for posting...you nailed my main issue with him--I like him for the most part but I have been so critical of him for multiple reasons but this may be the main issue I have and feel most have with him. You shared a great observation--its the Political double talk, not admitting things etc.--much like the crap we see today from our so called "leaders" that infuriates us.

He needs to cut out the BS and talk from his heart like I think he used to when he first got here. I think he changed in that respect. Early on his issues were "time management" and "in game decision making" after dealing with that negativity from the media he pivoted to being more general in his comments & discussions. I think this has made him seem less sincere and he has lost that positive charisma he had all the time.

Coach you have a great contract--your a top 10 coach--Talk like you want and be real!
 

PSU87

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
1,666
3,386
113
I’m not trying to be too critical as I really like CJF as our Coach and leader but I must say he has a hard time “admitting” when he’s wrong or other people/suggestions were right. Understand that I don’t ever expect a Coach to publicly say “he was wrong” but the way he talks about some things that he has changed his way of doing comes off as somewhat petty.

In today’s meeting with the media he takes this backhanded shot when discussing the newly implemented deep handoffs to the TB with the QB under center. Now many people have always questioned him as to why our QB never goes under center for the TB to get a head start running down hill instead of getting the carry from a stand still position. He has always answered with remarks like, “we don’t have time to practice it, it’s not easy to get adjusted to when you’re always in shotgun, blah blah blah” He has also given this answer as to why we never QB sneaked under center when we would need less than a yard, instead of trying when the QB gets the ball 5 yard behind the LOS.

When talking about it today he says, and I’m paraphrasing, “you know, even though the TB’s are taking the deep handoffs, I just want to point out that it’s the same mesh point as if they were getting the ball from the shotgun”. Petty
It’s as if he’s saying “yes this method has been successful but it’s really just a coincidence cause it’s the same mesh point”….is he not getting it that it’s not about where the TB gets the hand off but about having momentum when getting the carry and being able to set up play action from these formations? Or he is he too stubborn to say that these sort of things should have been implemented earlier?

Anyways, I know in the grand scheme of things this is not a big deal, but his comment there rubbed me the wrong way. I’m glad we have more and more experienced Offensive Analysts that hopefully CJF is leaning into.
Dear Coach Franklin....

KE=1/2mv^2
 

Ram20

Well-known member
Oct 25, 2021
369
702
93
I’m not trying to be too critical as I really like CJF as our Coach and leader but I must say he has a hard time “admitting” when he’s wrong or other people/suggestions were right. Understand that I don’t ever expect a Coach to publicly say “he was wrong” but the way he talks about some things that he has changed his way of doing comes off as somewhat petty.

In today’s meeting with the media he takes this backhanded shot when discussing the newly implemented deep handoffs to the TB with the QB under center. Now many people have always questioned him as to why our QB never goes under center for the TB to get a head start running down hill instead of getting the carry from a stand still position. He has always answered with remarks like, “we don’t have time to practice it, it’s not easy to get adjusted to when you’re always in shotgun, blah blah blah” He has also given this answer as to why we never QB sneaked under center when we would need less than a yard, instead of trying when the QB gets the ball 5 yard behind the LOS.

When talking about it today he says, and I’m paraphrasing, “you know, even though the TB’s are taking the deep handoffs, I just want to point out that it’s the same mesh point as if they were getting the ball from the shotgun”. Petty
It’s as if he’s saying “yes this method has been successful but it’s really just a coincidence cause it’s the same mesh point”….is he not getting it that it’s not about where the TB gets the hand off but about having momentum when getting the carry and being able to set up play action from these formations? Or he is he too stubborn to say that these sort of things should have been implemented earlier?

Anyways, I know in the grand scheme of things this is not a big deal, but his comment there rubbed me the wrong way. I’m glad we have more and more experienced Offensive Analysts that hopefully CJF is leaning into.
So you're saying what was obvious to the most casual observer is now not so obvious per Franklin? Look, the 3rd and shorts have spiraled multiple seasons for this program because of a hubris to pit the QB and RBs 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage while standing flat footed. Obviously(his favorite word), its been obvious for years we needed the qb under center at least in these spots. Ill give Franklin a ton of credit for changing finally, but I too don't appreciate his defiance directed at the "non-coaches" now that it is so terribly visible what he should have been doing all along. Think we win 3 or 4 more games during the Saquon years with these run sets? I do.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ILLINOISLION

Ram20

Well-known member
Oct 25, 2021
369
702
93
I’m not trying to be too critical as I really like CJF as our Coach and leader but I must say he has a hard time “admitting” when he’s wrong or other people/suggestions were right. Understand that I don’t ever expect a Coach to publicly say “he was wrong” but the way he talks about some things that he has changed his way of doing comes off as somewhat petty.

In today’s meeting with the media he takes this backhanded shot when discussing the newly implemented deep handoffs to the TB with the QB under center. Now many people have always questioned him as to why our QB never goes under center for the TB to get a head start running down hill instead of getting the carry from a stand still position. He has always answered with remarks like, “we don’t have time to practice it, it’s not easy to get adjusted to when you’re always in shotgun, blah blah blah” He has also given this answer as to why we never QB sneaked under center when we would need less than a yard, instead of trying when the QB gets the ball 5 yard behind the LOS.

When talking about it today he says, and I’m paraphrasing, “you know, even though the TB’s are taking the deep handoffs, I just want to point out that it’s the same mesh point as if they were getting the ball from the shotgun”. Petty
It’s as if he’s saying “yes this method has been successful but it’s really just a coincidence cause it’s the same mesh point”….is he not getting it that it’s not about where the TB gets the hand off but about having momentum when getting the carry and being able to set up play action from these formations? Or he is he too stubborn to say that these sort of things should have been implemented earlier?

Anyways, I know in the grand scheme of things this is not a big deal, but his comment there rubbed me the wrong way. I’m glad we have more and more experienced Offensive Analysts that hopefully CJF is leaning into.
So you're saying what was obvious to the most casual observer is now not so obvious per Franklin? Look, the 3rd and shorts have spiraled multiple seasons for this program because of a hubris to pit the QB and RBs 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage while standing flat footed. Obviously(his favorite word), its been obvious for years we needed the qb under center at least in these spots. Ill give Franklin a ton of credit for changing finally, but I too don't appreciate his defiance directed at the "non-coaches" now that it is so terribly visible what he should have been doing all along. Think we win 3 or 4 more games during the Saquon years with these run sets? I do.
 

grinagrin

Active member
Oct 25, 2021
241
449
63
It’s a good observation - he’s fixated on where the exchange takes place not how much momentum the RB has when getting the ball. So, he’s right, but as noted, that was never the criticism. 3-0…can’t argue with much.
Sure we’re 3-0 but I feel the board needs credit for some of the changes he’s made.
- QB sneaks from under center
- TB getting carries with momentum
- Deferring when winning the opening coin toss to have a shot at 2 possessions in a row
- Not waiting so long to put backups in for depth and experience when game is out of hand
- Not having CB’s play so far off the ball pre-snap
- Getting Micah the **** out of MLB asap
- Get back to concentrating on recruiting PA
- Not always going by the so called Coaches Book, but go by feel during certain game situations
- When down 15 late in the game and you score a TD, kick the XP and go for 2 on the next Tuddie (still need an analyst or the board to convince him on this)

I’m kidding, I’m kidding….sort of
 

CVLion

Well-known member
Oct 13, 2021
610
1,135
93
I get the OP’s point and think there is certainly validity to it, but IMO it’s not such a big deal and honestly I think it’s a trait Joe had too (not wanting to say “I was wrong” or should have done something earlier.)

Take the reverse of Franklin finally allowing the QB to go under center… when Joe first allowed Rashard Casey to line up in the shotgun vs. Purdue in 2000 (and the crowd went bananas!) As I recall, Joe acknowledged the crowd’s enthusiasm for it, but I certainly don’t remember him saying something like “I felt it was high time we tried it”… in fact, I think he said “Did we even complete a pass out of it?” (Which IIRC we may not have in that first game with the shotgun, actually.)

I also have less-well-defined memories of some point when they had the QB flip the ball to the running back instead of a handoff, and it met with some success. I recall Joe saying something like “The toss to the running back is a gimmick!”

In summary, I like a lot of things about Franklin, and I’m not particularly bothered if he’s unwilling to publicly call himself out for not having done something sooner. I’m just glad to see that there HAVE been some recent changes to apparent good effect, and I hope the trend continues. :)
 

BW Lion

Well-known member
Oct 14, 2021
3,103
2,436
113
Franklin is nothing other than an overpaid, thin-skinned, mental midget. His weekly in-game stupidity is so predictable that it has almost become a Saturday tradition.

James will never be confused with a Mensa member.
 

ManxomeLion

Well-known member
Aug 24, 2017
939
1,381
93
So you're saying what was obvious to the most casual observer is now not so obvious per Franklin? Look, the 3rd and shorts have spiraled multiple seasons for this program because of a hubris to pit the QB and RBs 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage while standing flat footed. Obviously(his favorite word), its been obvious for years we needed the qb under center at least in these spots. Ill give Franklin a ton of credit for changing finally, but I too don't appreciate his defiance directed at the "non-coaches" now that it is so terribly visible what he should have been doing all along. Think we win 3 or 4 more games during the Saquon years with these run sets? I do.
To be fair (and i do think it's a fair critique) how long was it before Paterno adopted the shotgun?

Sorry, just saw CVLion made that point.
 

IANit

Member
Oct 6, 2021
102
93
28
I’m not trying to be too critical as I really like CJF as our Coach and leader but I must say he has a hard time “admitting” when he’s wrong or other people/suggestions were right. Understand that I don’t ever expect a Coach to publicly say “he was wrong” but the way he talks about some things that he has changed his way of doing comes off as somewhat petty.

In today’s meeting with the media he takes this backhanded shot when discussing the newly implemented deep handoffs to the TB with the QB under center. Now many people have always questioned him as to why our QB never goes under center for the TB to get a head start running down hill instead of getting the carry from a stand still position. He has always answered with remarks like, “we don’t have time to practice it, it’s not easy to get adjusted to when you’re always in shotgun, blah blah blah” He has also given this answer as to why we never QB sneaked under center when we would need less than a yard, instead of trying when the QB gets the ball 5 yard behind the LOS.

When talking about it today he says, and I’m paraphrasing, “you know, even though the TB’s are taking the deep handoffs, I just want to point out that it’s the same mesh point as if they were getting the ball from the shotgun”. Petty
It’s as if he’s saying “yes this method has been successful but it’s really just a coincidence cause it’s the same mesh point”….is he not getting it that it’s not about where the TB gets the hand off but about having momentum when getting the carry and being able to set up play action from these formations? Or he is he too stubborn to say that these sort of things should have been implemented earlier?

Anyways, I know in the grand scheme of things this is not a big deal, but his comment there rubbed me the wrong way. I’m glad we have more and more experienced Offensive Analysts that hopefully CJF is leaning into.
Coach woulda listened to you in 2017, we would've been national champions. No doubt. No doubt in my mind.
 

Bvillebaron

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
1,607
1,749
113
I’m not trying to be too critical as I really like CJF as our Coach and leader but I must say he has a hard time “admitting” when he’s wrong or other people/suggestions were right. Understand that I don’t ever expect a Coach to publicly say “he was wrong” but the way he talks about some things that he has changed his way of doing comes off as somewhat petty.

In today’s meeting with the media he takes this backhanded shot when discussing the newly implemented deep handoffs to the TB with the QB under center. Now many people have always questioned him as to why our QB never goes under center for the TB to get a head start running down hill instead of getting the carry from a stand still position. He has always answered with remarks like, “we don’t have time to practice it, it’s not easy to get adjusted to when you’re always in shotgun, blah blah blah” He has also given this answer as to why we never QB sneaked under center when we would need less than a yard, instead of trying when the QB gets the ball 5 yard behind the LOS.

When talking about it today he says, and I’m paraphrasing, “you know, even though the TB’s are taking the deep handoffs, I just want to point out that it’s the same mesh point as if they were getting the ball from the shotgun”. Petty
It’s as if he’s saying “yes this method has been successful but it’s really just a coincidence cause it’s the same mesh point”….is he not getting it that it’s not about where the TB gets the hand off but about having momentum when getting the carry and being able to set up play action from these formations? Or he is he too stubborn to say that these sort of things should have been implemented earlier?

Anyways, I know in the grand scheme of things this is not a big deal, but his comment there rubbed me the wrong way. I’m glad we have more and more experienced Offensive Analysts that hopefully CJF is leaning into.
You must offend easily.
 

psuro

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
7,775
16,997
113
CJF didn't say it, but I think he is going to regret not offering Chaz Powers a scholly. I would imagine Lane Kiffen would love to have that kid's arm at Ole Miss.
 
  • Like
Reactions: CVLion

Midnighter

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
9,637
15,389
113
So much to teach James and so little time......."forgive me BWICAC for I have sinned" 27 years and he just doesn't get it....

 

BobPSU92

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
17,247
26,120
113
If analysts know more than CJF.....why is he getting 7 million? Those guys must be getting even more....
Oh well, it takes guts to be critical of a coach on a message board.

We’re paying Franklin that $7 MM, so that should give you an idea of what we get paid.

I have a lot of money. I’m very important.
 
  • Like
Reactions: marshall23

Midnighter

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
9,637
15,389
113
If analysts know more than CJF.....why is he getting 7 million? Those guys must be getting even more....
Oh well, it takes guts to be critical of a coach on a message board.

Ah, 'it's expensive so must be worth it,'.....air tight friend!
 

psuro

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
7,775
16,997
113
We’re paying Franklin that $7 MM, so that should give you an idea of what we get paid.

I have a lot of money. I’m very important.
I could have a lot of money and be very important.

I just choose not to.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BobPSU92

Paruffus

Well-known member
Oct 13, 2021
1,128
1,003
113
Franklin is nothing other than an overpaid, thin-skinned, mental midget. His weekly in-game stupidity is so predictable that it has almost become a Saturday tradition.

James will never be confused with a Mensa member.
Gosh. I wish you'd stop holding back with your (shall we say) 'displeasure' with CJF. Please. From now on just flow with your true thoughts.
 
  • Like
Reactions: marshall23

Tom_PSU

Well-known member
Oct 29, 2021
1,125
3,563
113
We’re paying Franklin that $7 MM, so that should give you an idea of what we get paid.

I have a lot of money. I’m very important.
I could have a lot of money and be very important.

I just choose not to.
I also have all the money I need for the rest of my life, as long as I die by next Tuesday.
 

marshall23

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
2,912
4,162
113
I don't have any money, but I could easily post every thing that Franklin does wrong every game.......I choose not to.:cool:
 
  • Like
Reactions: BobPSU92

PSU73

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
481
812
93
I don't think I saw it but it's probably mentioned somewhere that on a deep handoff to the RB with the QB in shotgun, the Defense already knows it is a handoff and they have 5 yards to react. On a handoff to RB while QB is under center, not only does the RB have the momentum (instead of the Defense) the Defense can't be certain it will be a handoff, so must still play run/pass D.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LionJim

L.A.Lion

Member
Oct 28, 2021
132
234
43
All I know is that despite having the best record in the entire Big Ten conference this deep into the season Franklin still hasn't wrapped up a New Year's Eve CFP berth. When are we gonna stop accepting excuses from this Neshaminy clown?

FIRE FRANKLIN!
 
Get unlimited access today.

Pick the right plan for you.

Already a member? Login