From Ross Dellenger on scholarships

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On Tuesday, commissioners finalized roster limits that’ll be filed Friday in House settlement, sources tell @YahooSports:
football 105
M/W basketball 15
baseball 34
softball 25
volleyball 18

Schools can offer scholarships to full rosters starting 2025-26

 

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Does anyone know how the revenue sharing is going to work? Also will they still let you split baseball scholarships?
 

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One question and one statement

What happened to Title IX?

Football scholarships needed to be reduced, not increased. My gosh, every P5 roster in the country will now have 50 guys on it that don't have a prayer of ever playing a meaningful minute, yet will be sucking up millions of dollars in scholarship money so that some tudor can take their interdisciplinary studies exams
 

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One question and one statement

What happened to Title IX?

Football scholarships needed to be reduced, not increased. My gosh, every P5 roster in the country will now have 50 guys on it that don't have a prayer of ever playing a meaningful minute, yet will be sucking up millions of dollars in scholarship money so that some tudor can take their interdisciplinary studies exams
I agree with your second point.

I don't think Title IX has sufficiently been considered at this point. Maybe the bigger issue is how Title IX affects revenue sharing. There are two interpretations: equal pay and equal opportunity of pay. It's as if they have chosen to just pray that the latter is the predominant interpretation.
 

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Because blue-bloods can stockpile talented players that were forced to sign elsewhere before. We will miss out on signing a ton of MS players due to this and will have to raid 'lesser' schools for their talent.
What keeps US from stockpiling? Arent we all restricted by the same #'s? Sorry for being a lazy dubmass for not reading the article.
 
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What keeps US from stockpiling? Arent we all restricted by the same #'s? Sorry for being a lazy dubmass for not reading the article.
Because very rarely will players with a Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Tenn, Texas, Oklahoma or Auburn scholarship offer choose another school not in that group, so those teams will now collectively taking 160 players a year that would have otherwise gone to State, ole miss, Kentucky, Arkansas, etc. and been the best signees of the class. That's a lot of additional talent being kept with the top programs.

Plus it gives those teams 23.5% more room for error in evaluations, which is significant (though probably less so with the portal).

It also gives them more depth. Yes, it gives us more depth too, but our depth is now going to be guys that would have otherwise gone to Tulane, Memphis or ULL. Their depth will be guys like Bookie Watson, DeRunnya Wilson, Beniquez Brown, Jamar Chaney, Josh Robinson, etc. who were right on the fringe of getting offers from preferred schools but instead dropped to us.
 

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Didn't El Sux cheat too with the lottery BS?
It wasn’t cheating since it was available to all students. Same with Vandy, how they can use their endowment for any student to foot their bill.

I don’t believe TOPPS scholarships (Lootie) are still a thing, though. Could be wrong.
 

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RIP MSU football. And every other football team outside of 10 or 12 of them.

This is great for high school athletes. Absolutely terrible for any school that’s not a blue blood.
I'm not sure how much more this hurts us compared to the status quo. Certainly doesn't hurt us compared to what NIL does to us.

Going to depend a lot on how many spots per signing class are opened up. If they take the position of everybody can basically play 5 years now, so we're only going to increase the number of spots in a signing class by 2. It's going to hurt, but not be killer. If they up the number of spots in a class by 8 to keep the current ratio the same (~30.5% of the total scholarships offered each class), it's probably going to be pretty bad.

The only saving grace is that while you'll see us losing even more local guys out of high school to Bama and LSU, you'll also see a lot more kids transfer out of LSU and Bama. That's not going to be super helpufl as I'm guessing a lot of the hidden gems that LSU and Bama passed on would have shown they belonged at those places once they got on campus. I know Dak eventually got an LSU offer, but if he had gotten one out of the gate, does he even consider us? Would Josh Robinson gotten an offer from LSU with 8 more scholarships? No recollection of Titus Brown in recruitment, but he was one of the few bright spots of the Croom years. Would he have gone to Bama if offered? Beniquez Brown? I'm actually drawing a blank on a lot of players from Bama, but I assume there has been a lot of non-star players we've gotten from there that could have been riding the bench at Bama with another 8 signing spots per year.

Granted we'll get the opportunity to find a few more diamonds in the rough but I suspect Bama and LSU will find a lot more.
 

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I'm not sure how much more this hurts us compared to the status quo. Certainly doesn't hurt us compared to what NIL does to us.

Going to depend a lot on how many spots per signing class are opened up. If they take the position of everybody can basically play 5 years now, so we're only going to increase the number of spots in a signing class by 2. It's going to hurt, but not be killer. If they up the number of spots in a class by 8 to keep the current ratio the same (~30.5% of the total scholarships offered each class), it's probably going to be pretty bad.

The only saving grace is that while you'll see us losing even more local guys out of high school to Bama and LSU, you'll also see a lot more kids transfer out of LSU and Bama. That's not going to be super helpufl as I'm guessing a lot of the hidden gems that LSU and Bama passed on would have shown they belonged at those places once they got on campus. I know Dak eventually got an LSU offer, but if he had gotten one out of the gate, does he even consider us? Would Josh Robinson gotten an offer from LSU with 8 more scholarships? No recollection of Titus Brown in recruitment, but he was one of the few bright spots of the Croom years. Would he have gone to Bama if offered? Beniquez Brown? I'm actually drawing a blank on a lot of players from Bama, but I assume there has been a lot of non-star players we've gotten from there that could have been riding the bench at Bama with another 8 signing spots per year.

Granted we'll get the opportunity to find a few more diamonds in the rough but I suspect Bama and LSU will find a lot more.
I think it'll actually help us a bit. Say Alabama has $10,000,000 NIL and we have $2,000,000. We have 20% of their budget. Now add $22,000,000 to each, and they have $32,000,000 while we have $24,000,000. We now have 75% of their budget and can probably outbid them for players that would sit the bench there but start here.
 

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I can't believe football got 105 - who was actually lobbying for it to be that high?

I thought we'd see a reduction before we saw an increase. I would think only the Top 20 revenue schools would want that many schollies. Personally I was actually hoping it might drop to 70-75.
The blue bloods wanted their "walk-ons."
 

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what's the rationale for increasing football rosters to 105 and hopefully most ADs/University Presidents aren't supporting that move. I realize the advantage for the top 10 or so programs for what about the remaining 50 or so programs?
 

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I think it'll actually help us a bit. Say Alabama has $10,000,000 NIL and we have $2,000,000. We have 20% of their budget. Now add $22,000,000 to each, and they have $32,000,000 while we have $24,000,000. We now have 75% of their budget and can probably outbid them for players that would sit the bench there but start here.
If we could spend that money on the top players, I think you'd be right. But Let's say the scholarships are worth about $50k per year at state and bama. So we each have $4.1M of scholarships, and we have $2M a y ear in NIL and they have $10M in NIL, so let's say a total budget of $6.1M and $14.1M. We each get another $1.15M to spend, so now that gap on a percentage basis is shrunk some more, but we can only spend that extra moneys on players already outside of our top 82.

Which means that when Bama starts looking for another 23 players to spend money on, they're going to be looking at players that are in our top 82 or that are G5 prospects that we want that they are willing to take a flyer on.
 

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I think it'll actually help us a bit. Say Alabama has $10,000,000 NIL and we have $2,000,000. We have 20% of their budget. Now add $22,000,000 to each, and they have $32,000,000 while we have $24,000,000. We now have 75% of their budget and can probably outbid them for players that would sit the bench there but start here.
Our best chance to succeed is to basically become a Last Chance U type of program. I think this is a killer in high school recruiting where we have not shown a ton of interest in emphasizing NIL resources, but maybe if you REALLY embrace the portal, some years you may hit it big. But it’s going to be volatile at best.
 

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I can't believe football got 105 - who was actually lobbying for it to be that high?

I thought we'd see a reduction before we saw an increase. I would think only the Top 20 revenue schools would want that many schollies. Personally I was actually hoping it might drop to 70-75.
It's already at that. They'll just be able to allocate scholarships up to that instead of 85 if they choose to do it. And it's stupid as hell!
 

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Remember all the Alabama and Louisiana kids we’ve gotten over the years because LSU or Bama/Auburn didn’t have room?

Yeah the big boys all are gonna have room now.
But why in the hell do they think football teams need 105 players?
That’s insane.
Don’t even need 85, cap each team at 75 and you start to get a little more parity maybe.
 

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But why in the hell do they think football teams need 105 players?
That’s insane.
Don’t even need 85, cap each team at 75 and you start to get a little more parity maybe.
Yeah I don’t think there was a need for football expansion whatsoever. The other sports, I can justify. Although college baseball outside the SEC is probably dead now.
 
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Would like to see stats on crootin' rank compared to NIL $$ each player gets. I wonder to what degree are the ACTUAL Limitations our budget places on who we can realistically offer. Has the talent gap grown or shrunken since NIL? Blue Bloods been Out Bidding Common Folk a Long Time.
 
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One question and one statement

What happened to Title IX?

Football scholarships needed to be reduced, not increased. My gosh, every P5 roster in the country will now have 50 guys on it that don't have a prayer of ever playing a meaningful minute, yet will be sucking up millions of dollars in scholarship money so that some tudor can take their interdisciplinary studies exams
Well... the Title IX participation ratio, last I checked, was about 75%. So for every 10 scholarships for the men, you'll need 7.5 for women. It's not a true 1:1.
Women's soccer wasn't mentioned, but it's currently sitting at 14 (or about half a roster). I would expect them to get a bump too. I could be wrong, but I would expect the math to work out.

Also, I think the unlimited transfers are going to be the thing that keeps blue bloods from hoarding good players. I don't think good players are going to stick around just to ride the pine at Alabama or Ohio State if they can get playing time at some place like Mississippi State or Minnesota.
 

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I agree with your second point.

I don't think Title IX has sufficiently been considered at this point. Maybe the bigger issue is how Title IX affects revenue sharing. There are two interpretations: equal pay and equal opportunity of pay. It's as if they have chosen to just pray that the latter is the predominant interpretation.
Yeah, and I'm just re-quoting what I read in an article a few months ago, but the piece that I remember reading about Title IX is that it is 100% focused on equal "opportunity" to play rather than any kind of pay/NIL equality. Therefore, what I took from it is that as long as women are still able to receive the same ability to participate in college sports by way of scholarship, Title IX doesn't say a word about any form of payment beyond that. Of course, it was also written well before this became a thing, so who knows what might change with it in the future

I guess the weird thing to me about this recent scholarship increase ruling, though, is that even without getting into NIL, it's like the NCAA has just thrown Title IX's equal scholarship legislation out the window. Makes me wonder if one of the unwritten repercussions of the recent settlement ruling was that Title IX itself was in fact illegal. It has 100% limited certain individuals' ability to get a scholarship over the years
 
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