GG's very bad, no good decision

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Well, he obviously made the wrong choice to reclassify, as his decision was financially-based and it ended up costing him millions. Ironically, his decision to leave early was based on money and trying to get in under the current collective bargaining, but it ended up causing him to drop to the mid-2nd round, which cost him those millions. Second round contracts are not guaranteed and there's no pay scale.

He's not going to be poor, as he will still likely sign a contract in the neighborhood of $1 million/year starting out, but none of that money is guaranteed. Compare that to, say, if he had even gone at #20, he would have had somewhere in the neighborhood of at least $6 million guaranteed, even if he was a total flop and got cut and never set foot on the court. Would have been $10 million or more guaranteed if he'd gone top 10, which is where he was projected had he not reclassified.

I don't know who was advising him, but someone gravely miscalculated. As good as he was in high school, it was readily apparent that he was not ready to be a starting college player, on an awful team at that.. Maybe if he'd gone to an established program and been allowed to develop coming off the bench it could have worked out better for him. He needed a stable of good players around him, but what he had was a collection of misfits, and he was expected to take the lead. It was just too much to ask. Hindsight is 20/20 for everyone involved. I said at the time I hoped this wasn't going to be like a player in MLB being rushed through the minors to get to the majors have having his development stunted in the process. At the moment, it appears that is what has happened.

Of course, there's always the possibility that he's not as good as thought. Happens all the time. But, for now, he's in the league. If he blows up, he can sign a mega contract later and none of this will matter. Let's hope that what happens. For now, though, it was a miscalculation.

As it relates to USC, it not's a great look for us to have taken a projected lottery pick and turned him into a mid-2nd rounder.
 
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Hard to imagine someone getting that locked into a decision they can’t make adjustments. But best of luck to him. Perhaps he feared another year like the one he just had might render him completely forgettable, so get while the getting is good.
 

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Obviously he had a Cash Whisperer in his ear very early on and all he could see was $$$$ signs.
 
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Hard to imagine someone getting that locked into a decision they can’t make adjustments. But best of luck to him. Perhaps he feared another year like the one he just had might render him completely forgettable, so get while the getting is good.

I don't know if would have much a difference for him to come back next season and play on another likely not very good team.
 

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Obviously he had a Cash Whisperer in his ear very early on and all he could see was $$$$ signs.

Yeah, it's hard to say. I don't think his family is dirt poor or anything like that. I guess it was just all tied to getting in under the current CBA, but it doesn't really seem like it would have mad that much of a difference with the new CBA.
 
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Well, he obviously made the wrong choice to reclassify, as his decision was financially-based and it ended up costing him millions. Ironically, his decision to leave early was based on money and trying to get in under the current collective bargaining, but it ended up causing him to drop to the mid-2nd round, which cost him those millions. Second round contracts are not guaranteed and there's no pay scale.

He's not going to be poor, as he will still likely sign a contract in the neighborhood of $1 million/year starting out, but none of that money is guaranteed. Compare that to, say, if he had even gone at #20, he would have had somewhere in the neighborhood of at least $6 million guaranteed, even if he was a total flop and got cut and never set foot on the court. Would have been $10 million or more guaranteed if he'd gone top 10, which is where he was projected had he not reclassified.

I don't know who was advising him, but someone gravely miscalculated. As good as he was in high school, it was readily apparent that he was not ready to be a starting college player, on an awful team at that.. Maybe if he'd gone to an established program and been allowed to develop coming off the bench it could have worked out better for him. He needed a stable of good players around him, but what he had was a collection of misfits, and he was expected to take the lead. It was just too much to ask. Hindsight is 20/20 for everyone involved. I said at the time I hoped this wasn't going to be like a player in MLB being rushed through the minors to get to the majors have having his development stunted in the process. At the moment, it appears that is what has happened.

Of course, there's always the possibility that he's not as good as thought. Happens all the time. But, for now, he's in the league. If he blows up, he can sign a mega contract later and none of this will matter. Let's hope that what happens. For now, though, it was a miscalculation.

As it relates to USC, it not's a great look for us to have taken a projected lottery pick and turned him into a mid-2nd rounder.
Normally, I like your posts. Can’t abide by the ending shot. He turned himself into what he is. If he thinks he didn’t like Paris in his grill, wait til he practices with Marcus Smart. He’d better soak up this opportunity. He went to a team that doesn’t need him, where he can learn & be exposed to winning simultaneously.
 

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Normally, I like your posts. Can’t abide by the ending shot. He turned himself into what he is. If he thinks he didn’t like Paris in his grill, wait til he practices with Marcus Smart. He’d better soak up this opportunity. He went to a team that doesn’t need him, where he can learn & be exposed to winning simultaneously.

It wasn't a shot. As it's perceived by outsiders, GG came here and tanked. Whether it was of his own doing or not is inconsequential. When you have top recruits of GG's caliber, all they care about is where they think they can get drafted. If you had to pick between a program that a had a potential lottery pick end up dropping all the way to the mid-2nd round vs a program that took potential lottery picks and had them drafted top 10 or top 20, which would you choose? The point is, it's not a good look for the program. Not that we would be in the mix for any other one-and-done players anyway.
 

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Normally, I like your posts. Can’t abide by the ending shot. He turned himself into what he is. If he thinks he didn’t like Paris in his grill, wait til he practices with Marcus Smart. He’d better soak up this opportunity. He went to a team that doesn’t need him, where he can learn & be exposed to winning simultaneously.
I agree, I don't think it reflects that way on USC. Paris tried to instill some discipline and focus in him. Folks my disagree on how Paris used him, but GG didn't handle the coaching aspect very well. I wish him the best, and hope he learns from his mistakes.
 
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It wasn't a shot. As it's perceived by outsiders, GG came here and tanked. Whether it was of his own doing or not is inconsequential. When you have top recruits of GG's caliber, all they care about is where they think they can get drafted. If you had to pick between a program that a had a potential lottery pick end up dropping all the way to the mid-2nd round vs a program that took potential lottery picks and had them drafted top 10 or top 20, which would you choose? The point is, it's not a good look for the program. Not that we would be in the mix for any other one-and-done players anyway.
He would have sat the bench at NC. Quit blaming Paris for the actions of an 18 year old. A true “Lottery pick” would shine no matter where he played.
 
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I agree, I don't think it reflects that way on USC. Paris tried to instill some discipline and focus in him. Folks my disagree on how Paris used him, but GG didn't handle the coaching aspect very well. I wish him the best, and hope he learns from his mistakes.

You're speaking as a USC fan. Kids looking at programs are not USC fans.

It's not like he slid from lottery pick to mid-first round. He slid from lottery pick to bottom half of the 2nd round. Recruits look at those kinds of things. Of course, if we had a long track record of sending guys to the NBA as first round picks, you could look at GG as an anomaly. Granted, it's a small sample size, but it's what top recruits are going to consider. And, certainly, opposing coaches would tell any major player "shoot, look at what happened to GG Jackson. He lost millions of dollars."

But, like I said above, it's not like we're in the mix for any one-and-done players, except on the rare occasion that one comes up in state, so I don't think it's a big deal overall.
 
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He would have sat the bench at NC. Quit blaming Paris for the actions of an 18 year old. A true “Lottery pick” would shine no matter where he played.

I have not mentioned Paris' name (until this post). If you had read the OP, you'd see I said it was a mistake for him to come out early. Projected lottery pick or not, he was not developmentally ready for college ball.
 

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He should have transferred to a contender. Any number of Top 25 teams would have taken him - if not all of them.

That is interesting. I'm still adjusting to the portal era and had not considered him transferring. You're right though.
 

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He should have transferred to a contender. Any number of Top 25 teams would have taken him - if not all of them.
I'm sure not what he had envisioned for himself, Memphis GM says GG has a long road ahead of him. Expects him to sign a two-way contract and spend "a lot" of time with the G League affiliate. I would think transferring to a top program would have been preferable to playing in the G League.

 
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You're speaking as a USC fan. Kids looking at programs are not USC fans.

It's not like he slid from lottery pick to mid-first round. He slid from lottery pick to bottom half of the 2nd round. Recruits look at those kinds of things. Of course, if we had a long track record of sending guys to the NBA as first round picks, you could look at GG as an anomaly. Granted, it's a small sample size, but it's what top recruits are going to consider. And, certainly, opposing coaches would tell any major player "shoot, look at what happened to GG Jackson. He lost millions of dollars."

But, like I said above, it's not like we're in the mix for any one-and-done players, except on the rare occasion that one comes up in state, so I don't think it's a big deal overall.
I’m speaking as a huge NBA fan who keeps up with CBA changes, listens to multiple NBA podcasts weekly, have the NBA package, etc. so, I’ll paste my post from Tuesday in another thread, & you can both read and listen information which speaks directly to the NBA’s perception. I didn’t bother to recap the parts about him calling out coaches, doing stupid things on social media, & all around bad body language. The perception of USC is just fine.

There was a segment about him on the May 26 episode of The Woj Pod (beginning at the 25:55 mark) where they discuss GG & Teams’ viewpoint on him. Some comments:

Some Teams at end of 1st Round are trying to fall in love with him
Teams in 2nd Round think he could be there
Historically inefficient
Was not ready for college
Played on a very bad team, and, “a lot of the reason they were bad was because of him”
Could not guard
Struggled to make decisions on the floor
Played selfishly at times

Pro Day in Chicago- Not a good look, out-of-shape, said he was sick later which some were skeptical of, took bad shots & didn’t make many
Reclassified after being #1 recruit
Prob 2nd Round”


If you don’t think J Givony & G Woj know what they are talking about, 🤷. I’ll still enjoy your other posts.
 
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I’m speaking as a huge NBA fan who keeps up with CBA changes, listens to multiple NBA podcasts weekly, have the NBA package, etc. so, I’ll paste my post from Tuesday in another thread, & you can both read and listen information which speaks directly to the NBA’s perception. I didn’t bother to recap the parts about him calling out coaches, doing stupid things on social media, & all around bad body language. The perception of USC is just fine.

There was a segment about him on the May 26 episode of The Woj Pod (beginning at the 25:55 mark) where they discuss GG & Teams’ viewpoint on him. Some comments:

Some Teams at end of 1st Round are trying to fall in love with him
Teams in 2nd Round think he could be there
Historically inefficient
Was not ready for college
Played on a very bad team, and, “a lot of the reason they were bad was because of him”
Could not guard
Struggled to make decisions on the floor
Played selfishly at times

Pro Day in Chicago- Not a good look, out-of-shape, said he was sick later which some were skeptical of, took bad shots & didn’t make many
Reclassified after being #1 recruit
Prob 2nd Round”


If you don’t think J Givony & G Woj know what they are talking about, 🤷. I’ll still enjoy your other posts.

A lot of words. Didn’t read it all. But it matters for recruiting.
 

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Can we just congratulate G.G. and thank him for coming here? He has a shot, up to him now. Not sure why all of the sour grapes. Best of luck to him.
 

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Can we just congratulate G.G. and thank him for coming here? He has a shot, up to him now. Not sure why all of the sour grapes. Best of luck to him.

Who has sour grapes? For his sake, I wish he had stayed in high school and gone to a stronger program so he would end up making more money for him and his family.
 
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I don't know if would have much a difference for him to come back next season and play on another likely not very good team.
I hate to tell everyone but his team wasn’t his problem last year. I beg to differ. Being on a bad team should help you shine/standout. GGs problem was himself and his obvious attempt to play me ball. He was young, he seems like a good kid overall. Sad people rushed him, but he is in the NBA at a young age so it’s on him again. The lesson he learned at SC, especially sitting the bench, may be the most valuable of all in his life.
 

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I hate to tell everyone but his team wasn’t his problem last year. I beg to differ. Being on a bad team should help you shine/standout. GGs problem was himself and his obvious attempt to play me ball. He was young, he seems like a good kid overall. Sad people rushed him, but he is in the NBA at a young age so it’s on him again. The lesson he learned at SC, especially sitting the bench, may be the most valuable of all in his life.

I dunno. His immaturity really shone through at times (by his own admission), and I think the situation was exacerbated by him having to be THE guy. It's a lot of pressure to put on one of the youngest (or the youngest?) starters in D1 basketball. I think he would have fared much better on a more talented team with facilitators around him. Ultimately, yes, it's on him as to how he played and responded, but he could have placed himself in more favorable positions to succeed.
 
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I dunno. His immaturity really shone through at times (by his own admission), and I think the situation was exacerbated by him having to be THE guy. It's a lot of pressure to put on one of the youngest (or the youngest?) starters in D1 basketball. I think he would have fared much better on a more talented team with facilitators around him. Ultimately, yes, it's on him as to how he played and responded, but he could have placed himself in more favorable positions to succeed.
You make valid points….it kind of boils down to personality and internal makeup I guess. It’s good he’s matured enough to understand where he was and could have handled it better. At 17-18, we all made mistakes. Hope he does well in the NBA. Some weight training and full time basketball may be what helps him succeed.