Great Josh Pate interview with Franklin....

[LaJollaCreek]

Pate comes in with different angles and JF is pretty open. It's about 20 minutes in, but a nice 30 minute sit down with JF and some candid answers. Haters will hate it because that is what they do, but he shows once again that he was fighting PSU more than was led on early on. Glad he stayed and has kept fighting. Hopefully the dysfunction is gone as PSU is in a pretty good spot moving forward right now.

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[marshall23]

PSU is fortunate to have James. No one will outwork him. He is an excellent representative of PSU. I also know first hand he's a good human being.

 

[Midnighter]

Pate comes in with different angles and JF is pretty open. It's about 20 minutes in, but a nice 30 minute sit down with JF and some candid answers. Haters will hate it because that is what they do, but he shows once again that he was fighting PSU more than was led on early on. Glad he stayed and has kept fighting. Hopefully the dysfunction is gone as PSU is in a pretty good spot moving forward right now.

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Had not heard of Josh Pate before but this is an excellent 'show' and he is very thoughtful in his presentation style (no fake deep voice like Colin Cowherd, no sensationalism, tempers his fandom without being dispassionate like others I know...). He's also a very good interviewer (not sure what his background is but I plan on watching more PSU or no). Side note - missed Kliff Kingsbury going to USC. Jesus. Anyway, Franklin is doing what he does best here - gives honest, thoughtful answers without really revealing too much about how the sausage is made. He mentioned Penn State is 'aligned' for the first time since he's been here and that's about it; so, nothing we haven't heard before but if the knives weren't out before they will be when folks assume he doesn't have anything standing in his way anymore. I think everyone agrees the big dog should get the big steak - if he hasn't been getting it he should. What that is - I still don't know; no mention of facilities, or NIL money, or money for coaches, but that's has been the standard ask lately. The best stuff here is Franklin talking about NIL and college football in general - he's got a good sense of humor and gets the big picture in college football. I still think his coaching acumen falls short of his executive functioning in general, but I'd rather have that than a purely excellent coach who isn't 'living' his job.

 

[Charlie1978]

As far as I am concerned JF has had to drag the PSU administration and alumni kicking and screaming into the new NCAA world. He is not the best game day coach, but he loves him some PSU if they embrace his vision. I am so grateful JF is committed to Penn State. But we as Lions fans have 40 years of JoePA coaching from the top down, while JF is a bottom up coach, as only as good as the assistants. Paterno went to Brown, while JF is the highest achieving alumnus E Stroudsburg.

 

[psuro]

CJF and Pate both make a good observation on the Saban influence - he has been so succesful that Alabama becomes the standard and everything else is considered to be below standard. It has skewed the landscape of success.

 

[Midnighter]

CJF and Pate both make a good observation on the Saban influence - he has been so succesful that Alabama becomes the standard and everything else is considered to be below standard. It has skewed the landscape of success.

Only for Alabama though - they have nowhere else to go but down. Everyone else (save Georgia and Clemson) - including Penn State - want to take a next, higher step. For Penn State that is the playoffs.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

CJF and Pate both make a good observation on the Saban influence - he has been so succesful that Alabama becomes the standard and everything else is considered to be below standard. It has skewed the landscape of success.

It's true. The SEC West and B1G east are the 2 toughest divisions to win in college football. One as they both hinted at as the playing field wasn't always level and that "certain" schools were already setup pay for play. No need to name names, we know who they are and PSU is in a great spot right now. If the folks that wanted JF gone cannot see it by now, they won't ever accept he is a good coach until he lifts a MNC so that bar is set for them, but most of those same folks sat on their hands when PSU wasn't keeping up with the Jones in the years prior. Every coach has flaws and there is no perfect coach. Give a coach unlimited cash for years prior to NIL and yeah.....they will certainly get the better talent and that helps to win games.

He'll probably put up 10+ wins again this year for the 5th time in 8 years and maybe he does finally crack the playoffs. There a ton of schools like PSU who have fans who still think they are entitled to trophies, but in reality if you watch Pate's other podcast on PSU taking that next step he lays out how it's not always just a linear climb. Either way I do love Pate's delivery and willingness to ask questions others may not. Looking forward to his bonus clips coming out tomorrow morning from his time in HV.

 

[Midnighter]

He'll probably put up 10+ wins again this year for the 5th time in 8 years and maybe he does finally crack the playoffs.

Scary to think what is possible now that everyone at Penn State is aligned.....and in more ways than one; this is the first year in a while where the return of a player like Jacobs can make a world of difference. Should be a fun year.

 

[psuro]

Looking forward to his bonus clips coming out tomorrow morning from his time in HV.

Wonder if he ran into Rick Neuheisel at the Tavern.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

Scary to think what is possible now that everyone at Penn State is aligned.....and in more ways than one; this is the first year in a while where the return of a player like Jacobs can make a world of difference. Should be a fun year.

Outside of 1-2 position groups, PSU is just about there. If you look at the WR room in Columbus you see a difference there. You still need some luck with health, but on paper this squad appears to be a legit top 10 team.

 

[Zenophile]

Great conversation. Thanks for sharing, @LaJollaCreek

 

[Midnighter]

Outside of 1-2 position groups, PSU is just about there. If you look at the WR room in Columbus you see a difference there. You still need some luck with health, but on paper this squad appears to be a legit top 10 team.

Also have to hope Allar matures pretty quickly, gets six very winnable games before OSU.

 

[furrdogg]

I went back and forth on Franklin during the two recent seasons we struggled. However, I'm confident he's a great hire, and it'd be tough to get someone as good as him. Even if he never wins a Natty, he could still--and I know some will immediately hate this--turn out to be the most important coach in PSU history. He's pretty successfully brought so many different camps, inside and outside the university, closer together; and I think that's incredibly important in modern day college football. He's kept us from falling off the map while also moving us forward in the face of great adversity and challenge. He does so much more than coach football and we often don't recognize or give him the credit he deserves for that. He's A-OK in my book.

 

[Nits1989]

He provided a lot of informative info. Fanbases with a "culture of giving" (i.e. cheating) had a leg up when NIL was implemented. Those teams simply had to redirect the payments from illegal mechanisms to the NIL mechanism. Fanbases that were educated on the rules were at a disadvantage and are trying to play catch up.

 

[Midnighter]

He provided a lot of informative info. Fanbases with a "culture of giving" (i.e. cheating) had a leg up when NIL was implemented. Those teams simply had to redirect the payments from illegal mechanisms to the NIL mechanism. Fanbases that were educated on the rules were at a disadvantage and are trying to play catch up.

‘Culture of Giving’ is tremendous.

 

[PSUSignore]

Outside of 1-2 position groups, PSU is just about there. If you look at the WR room in Columbus you see a difference there. You still need some luck with health, but on paper this squad appears to be a legit top 10 team.

That's a tough comparison, just about everyone in the country is behind what Hartline is doing with his WR room.

 

[HappyValley1]

PSU is lucky to have James.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

That's a tough comparison, just about everyone in the country is behind what Hartline is doing with his WR room.

Very true and just about every roster in the country outside of 3-4 rosters have holes every year.

 

[WVilleLion]

PSU is fortunate to have James. No one will outwork him. He is an excellent representative of PSU. I also know first hand he's a good human being.

Based on your comment, now some on here will dislike Franklin even more.

As far as I am concerned JF has had to drag the PSU administration and alumni kicking and screaming into the new NCAA world. He is not the best game day coach, but he loves him some PSU if they embrace his vision. I am so grateful JF is committed to Penn State. But we as Lions fans have 40 years of JoePA coaching from the top down, while JF is a bottom up coach, as only as good as the assistants. Paterno went to Brown, while JF is the highest achieving alumnus E Stroudsburg.

Great job at complementing CJF while still getting some backhanded shots in on him. . Personally I believe your categorizing him as a bottom up coach is a bit off.

 

[marshall23]

‘Culture of Giving’ is tremendous.

Let's shake hands on that!

Based on your comment, now some on here will dislike Franklin even more.

Great job at complementing CJF while still getting some backhanded shots in on him. . Personally I believe your categorizing him as a bottom up coach is a bit off.

Lot's of but fans. I liked Joe, but....I support James, but....

 

[Nits1989]

He provided a lot of informative info. Fanbases with a "culture of giving" (i.e. cheating) had a leg up when NIL was implemented. Those teams simply had to redirect the payments from illegal mechanisms to the NIL mechanism. Fanbases that were educated on the rules were at a disadvantage and are trying to play catch up.

‘Culture of Giving’ is tremendous.

Let's shake hands on that!

I see what you did there!

 

[Pocono Lion]

As far as I am concerned JF has had to drag the PSU administration and alumni kicking and screaming into the new NCAA world. He is not the best game day coach, but he loves him some PSU if they embrace his vision. I am so grateful JF is committed to Penn State. But we as Lions fans have 40 years of JoePA coaching from the top down, while JF is a bottom up coach, as only as good as the assistants. Paterno went to Brown, while JF is the highest achieving alumnus E Stroudsburg.

I’ll make the case that my wife is the highest achieving alumnus of ESU (ESSC at the time, if I really want to get her going I say she went to the East Stroudsburg State Teacher’s College or the Normal School).

 

[kgilbert78]

Of course, there is an East Stroudsburg grad who made the cover of SI many years ago....

 

[91Joe95]

Pate comes in with different angles and JF is pretty open. It's about 20 minutes in, but a nice 30 minute sit down with JF and some candid answers. Haters will hate it because that is what they do, but he shows once again that he was fighting PSU more than was led on early on. Glad he stayed and has kept fighting. Hopefully the dysfunction is gone as PSU is in a pretty good spot moving forward right now.

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I think JF has a lot of legitimate complaints about how the university leadership raided the AD coffers that football built, but the university did say they were going to deemphasize football even before JF came on board. Couple that with PSU still reeling from pissing off its donors, and regardless of what the piss boys Mauti and Short say, PSU still has some structural financial flaws that do not appear to have an easy solution. As far as his coaching abilities, they are what they are. I still don't like the tackling technique he teaches on defense, his gambler philosophy, his lack of attention to detail, his light oline recruiting numbers, or his fascination with the chunk plays while ignoring what sets them up. With a few fairly minor tweaks I think he could easily go from being a really good coach to a great coach, but almost a decade later I'm still waiting to see them. If he thinks a new improved PSU NIL is the elixir needed, I'm not so sure it is, and I also do not see PSU's NIL results drastically changing barring something, ahem, significant. Maybe not even then.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

CJF and Pate both make a good observation on the Saban influence - he has been so succesful that Alabama becomes the standard and everything else is considered to be below standard. It has skewed the landscape of success.

Take the perception of Clemson in '22. They weren't dominant, hence they were trash. If anything, Clemson is proof perfect about having NFL caliber QBs lead a team that isn't flawless.

 

[BW Lion]

I feel sorry for anyone willing to bite or even nibble on James’ baited hook.

It should be noted that James invited a Nashville media friend from his time at Vandy into State College for this in-depth “interview”.

This “interview” was nothing other than a scripted shameless veiled threat to PSU for more money.

His annual plea for more money is simply blanket cover for his professional inability to hire and develop a staff to properly recruit and develop teams capable of competing at the top of the B1G.

James’ schtick is growing old.

 

[furrdogg]

I feel sorry for anyone willing to bite or even nibble on James’ baited hook.

It should be noted that James invited a Nashville media friend from his time at Vandy into State College for this in-depth “interview”.

This “interview” was nothing other than a scripted shameless veiled threat to PSU for more money.

His annual plea for more money is simply blanket cover for his professional inability to hire and develop a staff to properly recruit and develop teams capable of competing at the top of the B1G.

James’ schtick is growing old.

Not my take away at all. He didn’t look particularly thrilled to be doing the interview, imo. Was very serious, not relaxed and laid back.
Based simply on recruiting, we’re finishing about where we should on average. There are outlier years both directions but recruiting ranks (averaged out) tell us we’re around a top 10 team. And that’s where JF has had us frequently.

 

[kgilbert78]

BTW, the East Stroudsburg grad on the cover of SI was Bob Rigby in 1973 as the goalie for the NASL champion Philadelphia Atoms.

 

[MacNit]

Let's shake hands on that!

Lot's of but fans. I liked Joe, but....I support James, but....

Sounds like another weather-related thread.

 

[Sif]

I feel sorry for anyone willing to bite or even nibble on James’ baited hook.

It should be noted that James invited a Nashville media friend from his time at Vandy into State College for this in-depth “interview”.

This “interview” was nothing other than a scripted shameless veiled threat to PSU for more money.

His annual plea for more money is simply blanket cover for his professional inability to hire and develop a staff to properly recruit and develop teams capable of competing at the top of the B1G.

James’ schtick is growing old.

Speaking of old schtick...........

 

[WVilleLion]

Speaking of old schtick...........

Yep. BW Clown is yawnnnnnnn.

 

[CvilleElksCoach]

I feel sorry for anyone willing to bite or even nibble on James’ baited hook.

It should be noted that James invited a Nashville media friend from his time at Vandy into State College for this in-depth “interview”.

This “interview” was nothing other than a scripted shameless veiled threat to PSU for more money.

His annual plea for more money is simply blanket cover for his professional inability to hire and develop a staff to properly recruit and develop teams capable of competing at the top of the B1G.

James’ schtick is growing old.

That’s what you took from that interview? Dude you either need help or you just hate James no matter what.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

That’s what you took from that interview? Dude you either need help or you just hate James no matter what.

He hates James no matter what....just a constant drip about it. He's the reason ignore exists on sites like these.

 

[CBusLion10]

Great interview, thank you for posting

 

[PSUSignore]

I feel sorry for anyone willing to bite or even nibble on James’ baited hook.

It should be noted that James invited a Nashville media friend from his time at Vandy into State College for this in-depth “interview”.

This “interview” was nothing other than a scripted shameless veiled threat to PSU for more money.

His annual plea for more money is simply blanket cover for his professional inability to hire and develop a staff to properly recruit and develop teams capable of competing at the top of the B1G.

James’ schtick is growing old.

Not as old as posts of this sort.

 

[marshall23]

I feel sorry for anyone willing to bite or even nibble on James’ baited hook.

It should be noted that James invited a Nashville media friend from his time at Vandy into State College for this in-depth “interview”.

This “interview” was nothing other than a scripted shameless veiled threat to PSU for more money.

His annual plea for more money is simply blanket cover for his professional inability to hire and develop a staff to properly recruit and develop teams capable of competing at the top of the B1G.

James’ schtick is growing old.

Fans can always enter the portal.

 

[marshall23]

Yep. BW Clown is yawnnnnnnn.

Hasn't been himself.....severe case of bleeding hemorrhoids.

 

[mmp121]

Josh Pate on Current State of Big Ten East Division Programs​

Link skips to 5:11 where the PSU part of the conversation starts.

 

[Charlie1978]

Josh Pate on Current State of Big Ten East Division Programs​

Link skips to 5:11 where the PSU part of the conversation starts.

I listened to Josh for the first time on the 247 podcast, and along with Steve W, is probably someone worthy of the intellect of the overall Penn State football fan base. The real problem the football team has now is that the aggregate of the beat writers are dim and are truly wasting their access to one of the most interesting and exciting programs in the country right now. They have lost the sense of excellence that was Penn State from the late 1960's to the late 1990's, and actually participate in the inferiority complex the BIG inflicts on the teams not named Meatchicken and The O$U. PSU has all the resources to blow out those other dipshits, it is a matter of recovering from the devastation of the Sandusky. This is the first year since the Orange Bowl team that we have returned to that level of excellence. The pressure is finally on Franklin to succeed. The University has given him everything he wants, even if he did "extort" his requests with the threat of taking another job. It feels good to know that we are back to being underestimated with a bunch of hungry guys looking to grind the other guys into the dirt.