Great quote from teh Rev. on signing reduction to 25 players...

[fishwater99]

On Nutt's recruitment of Jeremiah Masoli..
"I hate to see it happen because of the one experience that I have
because I think Ole Miss helped Jeremiah and I think he helped us," Nutt
said.
Glad to see that Masoli stayed around and got that graduate degree at TSUN since that is the real reason he came to school.

"You're giving a lot less people chances to come in when you don't know
for sure that you have to qualify, that they're going to stick with
their commitment," Nutt said. "It just makes it much more difficult. Got
to do a great job, can't be any misses."

Heppin People

 

[RebelBruiser]

As I said before, this rule helps out USM, Memphis, UAB and other local CUSA schools a whole lot more than it helps out MSU or Ole Miss. It'll help out schools like Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt a little bit as well since their recruiting base allows them to not have to worry as much about grades as the rest of the SEC, but mainly the rule helps out the local CUSA schools.

We won't have room to take many chances on borderline players, which means more players with borderline academics signing with those CUSA schools and getting in.

I still don't understand how this rule is going to work when you've got 20 committed prior to signing day, 5 spots left, and 10-12 players making signing day decisions that might choose you.

Do you have to tell certain players to wait and not sign their LOI until later in the day when you know your numbers? Do you let players make their signing day decision and just live with whatever punishment the SEC brings down? Do you tell some players to sign elsewhere to open spots just in case certain players sign, leaving you in a lurch when they choose to go to School X instead? I forsee a player having a signing day party at his school finding out at the last minute that he no longer has a spot and he has to sign with Plan B. They've got balloons and cake already in the school colors, and now he has to sign with Memphis.

I just see a lot of issues with any signing limit. It's going to force SEC schools to take very few chances at all because they can't afford grade casualties out of a signing class, and they can't afford much of any attrition later on. In effect, you take attrition and you move the start of attrition from the fall when a player enrolls up to February when he signs. Before, if a player failed to make his grades, it didn't hurt you like attrition did, because you could have the numbers worked out so that you still bring in 25. Now, if a player fails to make his grades, that's a spot you'll never get back.

I just don't see Slive's motivation in handicapping his football coaches, and I really don't think the presidents or Slive thought it through very much.

 

[JabbatheGut1]

Is State not benefiting from the same way (and the guy State is getting will almost be as important as Masoli was for OM)? Also, the second quote is the truth, isn't it?<div>
</div><div>Nutt says some goofy ****, but I don't think either of those really qualify as his goofiest ****.</div>

 

[coach66]

actually a very good student and might be somewhat serious about getting the degree in question and I don't think he was running from legal trouble. Other than that I think we took advantage of the rule too.

 

[patdog]

These are both bad moves by the SEC. </p>

 

[JabbatheGut1]

Honest question...I don't know.

 

[hatfieldms]

....for multiple arrests

 

[coach66]

sure the question will be answered pretty quickly.

 

[JabbatheGut1]

That's the difference.<div>
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[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Does it apply to any player who transfers with 1 year of eligibility for graduate school, regardless of whether or not the player graduates? That would really hurt players who would make a good faith effort to complete their graduate degrees. I would have made the rule to be that if a "1 and done" player comes and does not complete his degree, the school takes a 2 scholarship penalty the next year.

 

[coach66]

helps State and Ole Miss as well. I think the big programs have been keeping several players warm that State and Ole Miss will have legitimate shots at signing now and they will be talented players with good grades and character.

 

[DerHntr]

all of the attention whoring on signing day will reduce drastically because guys who want a spot with an SEC team will sign earlier. Other than that, there appears to be a major learning curve for the coaches when it comes to dealing with this new rule.

 

[JabbatheGut1]

I think OM/State are going to have to still take chances on borderline players where as LSU/Bama won't. LSU/Bama will have plenty to 'choose' from whereas the risk/reward for OM/State is potentially a lot higher. Its going to hurt more when you miss.<div>
</div><div>Also, I think all the 'deals' will just have to be done sooner rather than later for the big schools and the player will be locked up sooner. </div>

 

[ckDOG]

Stats did go down after a change in scheme. That's the real reason.

 

[natchezdawg]

with being moved from MLB to OLB, or maybe it was vice versa. At any rate, I'm pretty sure he didn't get benched.

 

[coach66]

us both, we need all the help we can get to be competitive in this conference.

 

[ckDOG]

It does hurt players who make a good faith effort to complete their graduate degrees - no doubt about it.

Here's a decent article on the topic - http://www.crimsontidezone.com/?p=15634

This is what happens when you have an idiot like Nutt who makes a complete mockery of an existing rule set. And before the Rebels jump on me, I'm completely aware of the scenario with Brandon Maye. I'm not naive enough to not realize that if Clemson hadn't changed defensive schemes that he'd, still be at Clemson this year. My point is that there was a rule that had a little flexibility in it with good intentions. Once you start exploiting rules (try to convince me that the Masoli situation wasn't a comical exploitation), you have to take the option away from everyone to keep jack asses from making your conference look like fools going forward. You can thank Houston Nutt for this one...

 

[mjh94]

Maye also cited personal issues at home in Mobile (moving closer to home). we've heard that argument before, but I think clemson's scheme was the factor here.

he was First Team Academic All-ACC all 3 years at clemson, CoSIDA Academic All-District selection for 2009, only player to make that team, Graduated in sociology in 4 years.

 

[TBonewannabe]

The rule was set up so you couldn't just transfer to avoid discipline by the school. Since he was kicked out, he was able to play immediately.

 

[lanceharbor7]

LBs he signed starting jobs before they ever put on a uniform. I'd be a little pissed if I were Maye as well.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

I forsee a player having a signing day party at his school finding out at the last minute that he no longer has a spot and he has to sign with Plan B. They've got balloons and cake already in the school colors, and now he has to sign with Memphis.

maybe all these high profile 'signing parties' that are aired on tv and have the whole school chanting your name and what not are why so many players come to college thinking they deserve a 'cut of the pie'. if you want a spot, you (1) make sure your grades are in solid shape - really this is not very difficult in most any public HS anywhere it's just a matter of the kid recognizing he needs to actually try before his senior year if he wants play college ball and (2) you make a commitment to the school and you stick with it, don't make a commitment and waffle back and forth still taking visits and being a 'soft commit' and all this crap. you are or you aren't. <div>
</div><div>personally, i'd love to see an ncaa rule limiting the window when kids can make public commitments. since not all kids can afford to take unofficial visits before their senior seasons, maybe you can't make a public commitment to a school until december 1 prior to signing day? that way a kid is less likely to be squeezed out of a signing class because he couldn't afford to fly in for junior day or something to visit the campus.</div><div>
</div><div>either way, to say this helps the cusa schools more than msu and ole miss is ludicrous. hell, we will benefit merely from landing a lot of the kids that lsu and bama would normally sign to take the place of the kids they cu...i mean *ahem*, who decide to leave the program or go on medical hardship. i'd gladly take 3 or 4 kids that ordinarily would go to bama or lsu or auburn and let 3 or 4 of our lesser signees filter down to memphis or usm.</div><div>
</div><div>also, let's not act like the number crunch is gonna be all that bad, over any given 5 year period a program can sign 125 kids. only 85 of them can be on scholarship. that accounts about a 33% attrition rate/qualifier issues/etc. if you can't figure out how to get 85 scholarships out of 125 signees, then maybe it's time for the program to look at itself. if a kid is gonna be placed in juco, signing the LOI is merely a formality and the kid isn't bound to the school or the school to the kid after 2 years when his recruitment opens back up, it's nothing more than a handshake agreement, so why should we worry about the ******** charade of 'signing and placing' kids like it actually holds any water?</div>