hans, jamont, and the coaching staff...

[lawdawg02]

here's the deal with hans...

his dad is an orthopedic surgeon. he likes to be the big fish, wherever he goes. when he went to unc to watch tyler, he was treated like royalty - courtside seats, parking pass, all the attention he can handle. but when he came to starkville, he was not treated quite so well. no courtside seats, no parking pass, no hoopla. his mom left his dad and moved to starkville to get away from him and poplar bluff. obviously, dad didn't like this either. one week before hans announced his transfer (and right before the final four), hans went fishing with stans and everything was great. not even a mention of a problem or transfer. after the final four with dad in his ear, he came back to starkville and announced his transfer plans. this had nothing to do with a practice facility. dad is running the show now.

this will be surprising to some...

the coaching staff is ENCOURAGING jamont to go pro. of course, if he can luck up and get into the first round, he should definitely go. but that's not what the coaches are worried about. they're encouraging him to go pro because they're tired of his selfish play on the court. they just want him to push on to bigger and better things. i don't know if they're that confident in the talent coming in next fall or just think the team will be a better team in the future without jamont.

i know this isn't really earth-shattering, but i don't usually get inside info (unless of course, it's from sixpack).</p>

 

[lawdawg02]

here's the deal with hans...

his dad is an orthopedic surgeon. he likes to be the big fish, wherever he goes. when he went to unc to watch tyler, he was treated like royalty - courtside seats, parking pass, all the attention he can handle. but when he came to starkville, he was not treated quite so well. no courtside seats, no parking pass, no hoopla. his mom left his dad and moved to starkville to get away from him and poplar bluff. obviously, dad didn't like this either. one week before hans announced his transfer (and right before the final four), hans went fishing with stans and everything was great. not even a mention of a problem or transfer. after the final four with dad in his ear, he came back to starkville and announced his transfer plans. this had nothing to do with a practice facility. dad is running the show now.

this will be surprising to some...

the coaching staff is ENCOURAGING jamont to go pro. of course, if he can luck up and get into the first round, he should definitely go. but that's not what the coaches are worried about. they're encouraging him to go pro because they're tired of his selfish play on the court. they just want him to push on to bigger and better things. i don't know if they're that confident in the talent coming in next fall or just think the team will be a better team in the future without jamont.

i know this isn't really earth-shattering, but i don't usually get inside info (unless of course, it's from sixpack).</p>

 

[bigkdawg]

Very interesting if true... I find the whole hans situation very odd. After the loss to Memphis, either kv or gregg asked him if was coming back next year and he said "oh yea," but a few weeks later this. I talked to a friend that knows him and is from Missouri, and they said that he said some bs excuse about playing for a big time name and/or other excuses. Just nothing defiant.

Fishing was involved. Had to be true.

 

[Temple of the Dawg]

that the fishing trip with Stans was Stans taking a chance to tell Ben that is was time to go?

From the CL article about Stans talking about transfers:

"At the end of the day I've got to make what decision is best for the team," Stansbury said Friday. "I think it's very obvious that some decisions we've made in the past have helped us continue to win. Not everybody's always able to fit in. Not everybody's had the role that they want to have on the team." ........

"Some of them, No. 1, want to play bigger roles than are available on the team," he said. "No. 2, some of them don't have a choice, they're just not good enough and don't have a choice for other reasons. And No. 3, I've always got to make decisions that are best for the team."</p>

I can't really picture Stans asking a starter to leave, but maybe he was sick of Diddy's bullshite. I don't know, just curious what others might think about these quotes from Stans.

Sorry lawdawg, not slamming you, but I just don't buy this...

the coaching staff is ENCOURAGING jamont to go pro.....they're encouraging him to go pro because they're tired of his selfish play on the court. they just want him to push on to bigger and better things.

 

[saddawg]

the coaching staff is ENCOURAGING jamont to go pro.....they're encouraging him to go pro because they're tired of his selfish play on the court. they just want him to push on to bigger and better things.

I'm gonna call shite on this ,too.
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[lawdawg02]

because especially with losing rhodes, SOMEBODY has to score next year. no one else has stepped up to the plate. it only makes sense to me if the coaches are wanting to just start over, with the core of the team being young. it came from a source that would know what he's talking about. maybe, the coaching staff has info that he is a first or even second round pick. they may tell him that second round is the best he's going to do, so go ahead and give it a shot. but the underlying reason is that they think it's time for him to move on.

 

[jakldawg]

Ben, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. I don't want to see you at the hotels, I don't want you near my house.

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[EinhornisFinkel]

If Ben goes fishing with saddawg this whole tranfer thing is a non-issue.

 

[gtowndawg]

like I said last week. Someone very close to the program told my father and I that Jamont is not a leader, never has been, never will be (he was not saying he was a bad guy, he's just not a leader on the court). He's been telling us that for two years. I'm buying.</p>

 

[3000lbchicken]

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[patdog]

I think Stans should, and probably is, encouraging Jamont to go pro only if he's projected to be a first round pick. I'm calling BS on Stans encouraging him to go pro if he's not projected in the first round though. Leader or not, he's by far the best player we'd have on next year's team.

 

[onewoof]

Jamont going in the first round? I would be surprised if he makes the 2nd round. Remember that you have to be one of the top 30 players (meaning one of the top 30 players IN THE WORLD, NOT USA COLLEGES). People always forget about the foreign players.

This all means that only 30 players get GUARANTEED contracts. Everyone else is a try and buy. I have to say that if you think Gordon and Rhodes, although both good, that they are one of the top 30 players, then I would have to say take off the Maroon colored glasses.

As for Hans, Daddy went fishing to feel Stans out about his little guy being a star. Stans probably told his dad something along the lines of him being a great 2 guard and he couldn't guarantee to give him a lot of anything. Daddy told his boy to hit the road and find someone who will commit to him being a big baller. <insert laugh here>

 

[jlat13]

But I find it hard to believe they want him to go pro just to get him out of the way. I mean if he could go early then I can see a coach endorsing that but come on, a guy that was debated on here a few weeks ago as maybe the best player MSU has ever had is being asked to go pro by the coaches? Doubtful

 

[fishwater99]

But I find it hard to believe they want him to go pro just to get him out of the way. I mean if he could go early then I can see a coach endorsing that but come on, a guy that was debated on here a few weeks ago as maybe the best player MSU has ever had is being asked to go pro by the coaches? Doubtful

That was a joke...</p>

 

[87Dawg]

Youve got good sources. You hit the nail on the head. Messy situation between mom and dad and Ben couldnt handle it. The conversation was quick and simple between Ben and coach. "Hit the road". Ben is a Pu$$y. Just couldnt handle pop. Missouri didnt even recruit him, in fact state is the only school that did! Pop didnt like Mom living in Starkville and dating and baby Ben couldnt muster up the nuts to tell dad to go back to Popular Bluff. "Practice Facility"..... my ***. What pisses me off is that he took up playing time last season that could have been someone elses to prepare for next year. I say hit the road "milk toast".

 

[87Dawg]

I dont think the fishing trip was planned to tell him it was time to go but I do think it was a time to tell him that if he was thinking about it to not let the gym door hit him in the ***.

 

[Bigohh]

While the coaches aren't showing him the door, they would be happy to see Jamont go pro this year. Shane's article hit the nail right on the head, as good a player as Jamont is, he's killing our total offense. Let's face it, our offense is stand around for 20 seconds, watch Jamont dribble around then try and react to whatever he does. There's no flow or rythm and it frustrates the hell out of the other guards. That, more than anything else, is what got Hans. His "being the best player I can be" had alot to do with "and by the way, I would like for Jamoney to pass it to someone every so often." So yeah, I see the coaches eager to bring in the new guys, get this years freshmens on the court and get a new start with the offense. We'll be playing smaller next year so the half court game we have been playing doesn't work with that.

 

[Shmuley]

just how far someone will go to get back at their ex, even to the point of potentially [seventeening] their own child's good situation.

Daddy Delkbro needs his *** kicked.

 

[87Dawg]

lawdawg was right on about the parking passes, extra SEC tourny ticket and the whole nine yards. And you are right,,, daddy needs his *** kicked.

 

[silentdawg]

Guys remember my post early last week that I made about Ben and Pop Hans?Go back and look at my past post the info I posted came from a basketball staff member.Pop Hans thinks and now has Ben thinking he can play in the NBA and that MSU would never get him there.

Also the Jmoney stuff is the samething I heard as well.The staff wants Dee Boast to play PG and with Jmoney here that can't happen,the staff is ready for a true PG.

 

[studentdawg87]

agree about the Jamont rumor....although we would definitley be better with him on the team next year, I think the coaching staff wants to use next year to start over and allow some of the incoming talent a chance at playing and decrease the likelihood of more transfers...we could potentially be pretty good without Jamont and would definitley be ready to go in 09'

 

[lawdawg02]

no one said jamont was going in the first round. i said if he lucks up and gets into the first round. who said anything about rhodes being a first rounder? </p>

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and the fishing trip was ben and stans, not dad and stans.</p>

 

[Mutt the Hoople.buhoops]

Ben's diddy is an orthopedic surgeon. No doubt he married his first wife (Ben's mommy) right out of college. She probably worked her *** off to get him through med school. So, when she became a little old and wrinkley, he traded her in on a new model. That way, when he went out to Country Club soiree's or such, he had a better looking model on his arm.

Ben is just trying to be like diddy. MState is the good first wife, giving him a chance when nobody wanted to take one on the less-talented sibling of a High School all-American. Now that he's shown that he's as decent Division 1 player, he's wanting to ditch the school that took a chance on him for the Trophy School (Missouri? North Carolina?). Apparently, he's desperate for his father's love.

Oh, and "Practice facilities"? Complete ********. Those are words diddy put in his mouth. I may have to revise Rule 1 about not calling anyone over 18 "kids". I'm becoming convinced that nobody under the age of 25, unless they served in the military, is capable of thinking like an adult.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

is not an issue of age, but rather an issue of responsibility.

I have to tell you that when I was in college, if my father would have told me to switch schools, I probably would have done so. Now, I feel like Ben and his family made a committment to MSU when they accepted our scholarship. And I think they have broken that committment. But, in all fairness, I don't know what committment was made to him.

I also don't like the obvious dishonesty he gave in his reason for leaving. Hell, if you can make a decision like this, man up and be honest about the reason. Or the other choice would be to say that you don't care to comment on that.

 

[MSUCE99]

I also don't like the obvious dishonesty he gave in his reason for leaving. Hell, if you can make a decision like this, man up and be honest about the reason. Or the other choice would be to say that you don't care to comment on that.

I actually am OK with that BS reason for leaving. Because since the first time I've heard it, I thought to myself, "That sounds like something Stansbury convinced Ben to say to the press." Now whether or not Ben chose to leave or Stans made the decision, if Ben were to publicly say "Me and Coach aren't on the same page", it's more harmful to our program than him saying, "They need a practice facility." Now Stans can take that to the AD and say, "See? We REALLY need a practice facility. We're losing kids because we don't have one." Might make donors more willing to pony up too.

I don't know the real reason Ben is leaving, and don't care (OK, I'm curious, but who knows.) The point is, if Stans and Ben agreed that this would be the public excuse for Ben leaving, then Stans must have his reasons. I figure it's to help build momentum towards a practice facility.