**HARDESTY OUT**
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TOS worded it as "the first major staff change". I'm assuming by listing it as first, there will be a second.
It works as long as we make a good hire. Hire someone who has shown they know how to coach the position.
It was a questionable hire at best at the time. A terrible hire in hindsight.
Resume prior to coming to USC (reverse chronological):
WR coach at Charlotte
Quality control coach at UT
Asst S&C coach at FAU
ST coordinator and RB coach at Norfolk State.
Resume prior to coming to USC (reverse chronological):
WR coach at Charlotte
Quality control coach at UT
Asst S&C coach at FAU
ST coordinator and RB coach at Norfolk State.
Started with an easy one.
Need to put on the hard hat and make the big moves before all that's left to hire is the remaining scraps.
Need to put on the hard hat and make the big moves before all that's left to hire is the remaining scraps.
Hardesty and White would appease me. Throw in Teasley and I'd think we're starting to get serious about football.
Yeah, that's where I'm at. That RB room was a disaster. I remember there seemed to be some frustration from Loggains on some personnel decisions during the year too. He was quick to point out that the position coach determines personnel.
Token firing to hopefully appease the fanbase. More serious concerns not yet addressed. Other schools demonstrating a more serious approach.
I think Beamer has proven he couldn't give 2 sheets about the fanbase's opinion. Hardesty failed to recruit, develop, and retain quality RBs. Period.
Running backs coach out at South Carolina
South Carolina running backs coach Montario Hardesty will not return as the Gamecocks' running backs coach.
Just seems like a move to make changes for the sake of changes. The guy has only been here two years. The one decent back he had transferred on him and he gets blamed for not having any RBs in the room when he just recruited a highly regarded prospect in 23. The Offensive Line coach. If he gets canned I could see it, but Hardesty? That's a weird one because it's wasn't like that position performed far under expectations. We had some misses before Hardesty got here that came back to bite us. I see some touting the Arkansas RBs coach. His resume is not all that impressive. He was a High School Coach for awhile. Georgia State one year. Got the Arkansas job for a couple years and is taking credit for Rocket Sanders. Getting him is just replacing "a guy" (Hardesty) for "another guy" (Smith).
That's still not long enough to build a room when your one hit at the position transfers and you recruited a big miss with a RB that is way too small. I thought we should have seen how Braswell developed before making any decision on Hardesty. Position rooms are going to be in flux with how the Transfer portal is going right now. In my mind, Hardesty is a casualty for getting Rocket Sanders. If that is the case and we need to bring his RB coach in, so be it.
The article says “A coaching search for his replacement will begin immediately”…. I hope that is just coach-speak in that I seriously hope the search has already been well underway. But with Beamer’s hirings so far, and the long, drawn-out processes that they are, maybe he hasn’t started looking anywhere yet…. Sigh.
He has been here 3 years and signed 2 HS RBs. Entering this year our best RB was DK Joyner. Dude has earned his exit.
We don't know all the ins and outs of that. We signed two HS RBs, but what were the priorities for roster construction as a whole? Dude can't just sign as many RBs as he wants until one works out. Also, it wasn't like Anderson was terrible. If you are going to ding the man for the misses, you have to give him credit for the successes. Just seems like red meat for the fanbase to say that we fired somebody. Oh well, on to the next guy.
Fairly certain Beamer would have rather MoHard bring in better options than DK and Mario. He missed in several guys in the last cycle. He had Hill on commitment watch and let him slip through our fingers. Recruit, retain, develop…MoHard hasn’t done any of those key responsibilities for a position coach.
Beamer has shown a propensity to be more than patient when it comes to assistants.
Less face it. S C this year was designed to get Rattler to the pros. The offense was all to predictable. Drop back in pocket and run for your life was to main plays. Check the completion rate and I bet the greatest # was the short pass the side line. One dimensional on the receiver to throw to. To have the fastest receiver in the country only gets a dozen plus chances. something wrong in this picture. No matter who the R B coach is if the offensive scheme does not change. and you run the ball somewhere besides between the tackles, same old results. Need a modern day COLLAGE O C. not another useless NFL coach.
Loggains will probably have some say, in his replacement, remember he threw Hardesty under the bus after one game, where Juju McDowell got the ball on a key 3rd or 4th and short and got stuffed up the middle, in the post game Loggains said Hardesty had control of who was in there on which plays.
Rocket Sanders did not come here to play for Hardesty.
My issue with Hardesty was, that he had watched those running backs all spring and fall practice and could not see Anderson was light years better then Joyner? Most of us needed to see just a few plays and could immediately tell. He may need to find a new profession.
Rocket Sanders did not come here to play for Hardesty.
My issue with Hardesty was, that he had watched those running backs all spring and fall practice and could not see Anderson was light years better then Joyner? Most of us needed to see just a few plays and could immediately tell. He may need to find a new profession.
Hill was a long shot. Being from Mississippi, not surprised that MSU got in the game on that. So, he gets no credit for Sanders? Seems like you want to be critical when it's appropriate, but not give him credit for something good that may happen for the RB room. Really not worth arguing over now. The man is gone, but we will probably just get another name in here that will be gone in 2-3 years again.
So, he gets no credit for Sanders?
You do know that Sanders recruiter at Arkansas was Justin Stepp and Sanders obviously had a pre existing relationship with Loggains as well.
I would be shocked if Loggains was not upfront with Sanders about the future of Hardesty.
So, under that logic, we needed to fire Spurrier or his son for not being able to see that Alshon Jeffrey took 5-6 games to get a snap in his freshman year despite obviously being the best receiver we had the minute he stepped on the field. That happens with coaches a lot, especially here. It seems our coaches are slow to trust the new player coming in no matter what his talent level may be. The only guys in the last decade or so thrown out there immediately were Marcus, Stephon Gilmore, and JD. Even JD didn't start.
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That is your interpretation of my logic, but I don't agree with your interpretation.
# 1 never said Beamer should be fired, so I don't draw the correlation to supporting a running back coach fired to firing Spurrier or a HC.
# 2 I don't think Alshon had a spring practice like Anderson, you can correct me if I'm wrong. Anderson had more evaluation
# 3 Alshon was freshman, Anderson a Senior
# 4 The WR's in front of Alshon were not playing WR for the first time in there college career like Joyner at RB.
# 5 Alshon had, 7 catches for 138 yard and 3 td, in game 6 vs Kentucky, heck maybe he should of played more sooner?
Are you saying Steve Spurrier Jr was some great untouchable assistant coach or something that fans could not or did not complain about?
Anderson, a senior from Newberry. Not one D-1 school thought Anderson was good enough to give a scholarship. So, Hardesty is no different than any of the other coaches out there. This just smells like one of those firings you get when an Head Coach is about 1-2 years from being fired himself.
To you, sure, maybe that is what it smells like, to each his own
To me it smells like a OC in his second year getting his way, a new position coach, that he wants to work with, because he did not think to highly of the guy he inherited. And a guy in Hardesty who made questionable decisions and got the fate he deserved from that decision making process.
Hardesty was # 1 on my list to go, you can argue with me all you want, but I like this move.
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Hill was not a long shot. He was a lock. Sanders didn’t come here to play for MoHard. I’d be shocked if he was even a part of the conversation. Step recruited him to Ark, and he had a connection with Loggains too.
He did nothing to make our RB room any better than it was in 2020. It actually got worse.
Also, Jr had Jared Cook and KMac under his belt by the time Alston came along. Hardesty hasn’t developed anyone.
I don’t agree on Teasley. He’s the best recruiter we have besides Shane Beamer and our OL parlay was good to great once he took over last season for Adkins.
Really need to take a hard look at the S&C Coordinator. Seems like injuries have been a big problem, even before this past season which was bad, since Beamer arrived.
I've never been in favor keeping coaches who can recruit but are otherwise bad at their job.
How do you know he's bad at his job? Given the circumstances with injuries, it's impossible to know. But here's what I do know. Baugh was a freshman AA, and he didn't show up until July of last year. Tree played pretty well for a true freshman that was forced into a starting job. He had some great moments, and some "freshman" moments.