How many criminals would you let play at MSU/Ole Miss to win the SEC....

[OMlawdog]

With Michael Brown being talked about coming back to the team possibly, and players like jamal Pittman being allowed back on the team after yielding a hand gun, I wonder, how many violent criminals would you be ok with on your team if it meant winning the SEC.

Im talking guys pleading guilty to charges of burglary, attempted rape, larceny, firing guns, assault and battery, all of which were plead down to lesser offenses and given probation and a suspended suspense.

If it meant an SEC Championship, how many convicts could play for your team.

As an Ole Miss fan, i think I would be fine with all 85 players having a criminal record if it meant an SEC championship, as long as there was no probabtion talk. And in all honesty even if there was some minor probation, I would still not have a problem with it.

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[OMlawdog]

With Michael Brown being talked about coming back to the team possibly, and players like jamal Pittman being allowed back on the team after yielding a hand gun, I wonder, how many violent criminals would you be ok with on your team if it meant winning the SEC.

Im talking guys pleading guilty to charges of burglary, attempted rape, larceny, firing guns, assault and battery, all of which were plead down to lesser offenses and given probation and a suspended suspense.

If it meant an SEC Championship, how many convicts could play for your team.

As an Ole Miss fan, i think I would be fine with all 85 players having a criminal record if it meant an SEC championship, as long as there was no probabtion talk. And in all honesty even if there was some minor probation, I would still not have a problem with it.

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[dawgstudent]

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[thelaw]

85 and the water boys better have misdemeanors.

 

[LandArchDawg]

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[DesotoCountyDawg]

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[RebelBruiser]

Agree on letting all 85 play. Now, if I had to go 0-8 every year, I'd rather go 0-8 with choir boys than with criminals. But for an SEC title, I'd let Tony Montana line up at QB for my team.

What's the deal on Brown? I haven't see where he might be back. Who is reporting that?

 

[OMlawdog]

the same posts that called Ole Miss Thug U after we let Pittman back on the team, (HE SUCKED BY THE WAY), the same posters will bang the drum about Brown and/or Anthony Johnson getting let back on the MSU team.

At the end of the day, most fans could care less what happens to these guys when they leave campus, so why should they care what they do except for 3 hours a week for 12 weeks. As long as they stay qualified, I could care less.

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[Ivehadbetter]

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[Ford76]

I can see underaged drinking (as long as there was no driving involved), because I was in high school and college once, too. I didn't abide by this. I can even tolerate ONE ON ONE fighting as long as there were no weapons involved.</p>

I will not tolerate: DUI's (had a friend die in high school from this), murder, any abuse of women or children, theft, drug dealers or any drug use besides pot(again, I was a teenager once, too), knife or gun play in a fight, or mob violence(If you aren't man enough to fight one on one with just your fists, don't fight. If it takes 3 or 4 of you to beat up one person, you are a coward and should go home to mommy.) Self-defense is a different thing.</p>

 

[RebelBruiser]

the same posts that called Ole Miss Thug U after we let Pittman back on the team, (HE SUCKED BY THE WAY), the same posters will bang the drum about Brown
and/or Anthony Johnson getting let back on the MSU team.

At the end of the day, most fans could care less what happens to these guys when they leave campus, so why should they care what they do except for 3 hours a
week for 12 weeks. As long as they stay qualified, I could care less.

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Exactly. I just wish everyone would admit it and quit having to toot the high and mighty horn.

When I see an SEC player get arrested that's not on my team, I want him kicked off the team immediately. When I see one of my own get arrested, I want him to run stairs for a few days and stay on the team. Reason being, I want the teams we compete against to be weaker, and I want my team at full strength.

It's not that I'm big into discipline. I just want my team to have the best chance to win on Saturdays. It's a little bit cold, but it's the truth, and that's the way just about everyone feels deep down. Even the Gene's Pagers and Spirit posters that spend hours dissecting arrests and/or touting their own team's character only care about wins and losses. It's just that when you're losing, you tend to focus on "character" more, because you don't have anything else.

 

[OMlawdog]

Had 3 gun arrests, a burglary charge, an attempted rape charge, drug posession charges and several larceny arrests, and throw in a domestic abuse charge. And plead guilty to all of them and somehow was able to play QB for MSU, and he was leading MSU to a routing of Florida in Atlanta, you wouldn't be able to cheer your *** off supporting him?

Really?

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[patdog]

he should be suspended from the team for 1 year and then allowed to come back if he's stayed out of trouble. For misdemeanors, maybe a game or 2 suspension.

 

[dawgstudent]

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[Ford76]

I cannot support a man who got his rocks off by abusing a woman. I am sorry. I know that I sound a little high and mighty on this, but that is just not a line that I can cross.

As far as drugs go, I could handle pot possession as long as he wasn't dealing. But you take a step up to say coke or meth especially if he is dealing, I can't get behind that.

If the larceny arrests was just being stupid, I could handle that. If it is a pattern, not so much.

 

[patdog]

Unless there's good reason to believe the player is innocent.

 

[Ivehadbetter]

I'm not standing in the court room or at the jail cheering in support of his record, I'm cheering in the stadium (in Atlanta, mind you) in support of his athleticism and playmaking ability.

 

[OMlawdog]

Would your opinion towards this player, not let you cheer for MSU and hope like hell MSU wins that game.

If Croom decided to let him play because he gave them the best chance to win the SEC, you wouldn't watch the game, hoping and praying that MSU would win?

If so, that is probably the reasonable thing to do, just not what most fanatics would do.

 

[OMlawdog]

after his 10th conviction, but somehow he has been let back on the team, and MSU is in Atlanta, you are telling me that you wouldn't be in the ATL, hoping like hell he scores 4 touchdowns?

 

[dickiedawg]

A player (or anyone else, for that matter) is "innocent until proven guilty."

 

[thelaw]

Its not like its you that makes the decision to allow this guy to play, its the system (flawed or not). So if this screw up falls through the cracks but puts points on the board, why not?

 

[Ford76]

I would probably been torn on every one of them except the rape or abuse cases. Let's just say that there are some things that happen during your lifetime that make you take a stance on particular issues.</p>

 

[DerHntr]

for me it comes down to the decision of the university, not the athletic department. if the school thinks it is OK for someone to be enrolled and sitting in the classroom with a bunch of women, weaker dudes, and faculty then it should be OK for them to run around with a bunch of huge bastards who can bash their heads in on Saturdays. so if the university says it is OK for Brown to return to school after shooting a gun on campus then why in the world would we not let him play football? we all know that most of the guys don't come to school for an education anyway. the biggest issue with my argument is that the university must be even handed when they make these decisions. so a non-athlete shooting a gun on campus under the same circumstances as Brown would have to be let back on campus too...but unfortunately I don't think it will be done fairly. even so, if the university says they are safe for campus then they are clearly safe for the field.

 

[OMlawdog]

I think you have the correct perspective, and that I and other posters are the ones who have things warped.

 

[DerHntr]

not bashing but an OM fan telling anyone to put down the "the high and mighty horn" is pretty funny

 

[Ford76]

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[patdog]

There's no protection from anyone being suspended from a football team for any reason the coach deems appropriate. Similarly, we have freedom of speech in this country. But if dawgstudent doesn't like what someone posts on this message board, he can ban them.

Bottom line is, most people who are arrested are guilty. If there's reason to believe the player isn't, then I don't think he should be suspended. But if, after looking into the situation, the coach decides he's probably guilty, then I think he should be suspended. In Brown and Johnson's case (and Pittman's at UM a few years ago), I think the players should have been suspended for a year.

 

[patdog]

Of course, 10 convictions in 5 years without going to jail would be a pretty impressive record.

 

[DerHntr]

if the university deems him safe for class then how is he not safe for football? i'll put it another way. if a student is in the classroom after 10 convictions and plays no sports, should he not be allowed in Sanderson for intramurals or out on the drill field for hippy hacky sack?

if we don't keep other students to a higher standard then why would we do it for athletes?

 

[TR.sixpack]

I would rather shut down the program rather than let one bad seed sully MSU's good name.

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It's easy for me: If he's still in school, he should be on the team. Game suspensions are another matter.

 

[patdog]

Of course it's a moot ******** debate anyway. No university is going to knowing admit someone with 10 felony convictions to begin with.

 

[OMlawdog]

Not many students would even be allowed to enroll in MSU/Ole Miss with a criminal record, and would more than likely not be allowed on campus.

 

[DerHntr]

i don't care if they "represent" the university publicly.

there are definitely some criminals in the classrooms regardless if you think there are not. i know a lot of people with felony DUI in the classroom. i know a lot more who have been busted for possession. my point is if the university thinks it is safe for them to be in the classroom then at that point they should be <span style="font-weight: bold;">eligible</span> to play. but, if the coach then thinks it isn't a good influence for the team then the coach has the discretion to say no...just like when breaking team rules. so if croom wants a thug on the team, one who is sitting next to someone's children in the classroom, then let them play.

edit: a lot was probably an exaggeration for the drug possession. i knew some in college and some now. but DUI..a lot.

 

[Sarc Dawg]

they should be allowed to be on the team. However, I don't think they should ever receive special treatment to remain in good standing.

That being said, anyone committing a crime on campus should be expelled- no excuse, no second chance.

 

[DerHntr]

i agree with this

That being said, anyone committing a crime on campus should be expelled- no excuse, no second chance.

but when the second chances are given, even though i may not like it, they should be eligible to play because good enough for the classroom is good enough for a coach to decide if they should play.

 

[Sarc Dawg]

as I said if they are in good standing they should be allowed to play (team rules excluded).

I just don't think second chances should be given in the first place. There are plenty of other universities that could give them the second chance.

 

[patdog]

I just disagree with it. Of course there are students in class with felony DUI convictions and/or drug possession (and possibly other felony convictions). I just think there should a higher standard for being on a university sports team than for being an ordinary student. The NCAA and every coach who's ever suspended a player for any reason apparently agree. Because academically ineligible players and suspended players still attend class. You disagree, which is a valid opinion too.

 

[thunderclap]

however, my kickers would have to be squeaky clean.

However, if Ole Miss let one play and they won it all, I'd cry foul like a sumbitch.

My hypocrisy knows no bounds.