How to improve MSU baseball

Todd4State

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Now that we have an actual coach who is going to try to win and recruit instead of trying to teach everyone some bizarre baseball morality tale, we need to spruce some things up to take back our spot as the top baseball program in the SEC.

My suggestions:

1. Promote the Dugout Club. This is important because this helps the baseball team buy stuff that they need, like equipment. We should have the largest baseball booster club in the state. It shouldn't be too hard to promote this, especially with a new coach coming in. Like an ad on the website, an ad at football games on the scoreboard, mass e-mail from John Cohen saying that he will kick your *** if you don't join. Allow first time members to join for half price, give out t-shirts, free tickets to games, bumper stcker, rack of lamb (blatant Will Ferrell rip-off) whatever.

2. We need to promote our tradition better. LT counted on our parents, friends and John Grisham to pass this down. That's not how it works if you want to keep your tradition. First of all, we need to put our programs accomplishments and our retired numbers back on the OF wall. I know the retired numbers are on the concourse, but a lot of people miss that. That is a very tangible recruiting tool. As I have mentioned in the past, I would like to see us have a MSU baseball museum attached to the Palmeiro Center. This would also be a great recruiting tool, and it would also be a great way to pass down our tradition to the next generation. We need to use DSU's Boo Ferris Museum as an example.

3. We need to promote the games better. The only time the games are ever promoted is SBW. We really need to get the students involved in midweek games. You do that by letting them sit in the grandstand (more on that later) and LFL and giving away free food and having promotions. Have restaurants give away coupons, have promotions where if the team scores x amount of runs everyone gets free food. Have Greek Day where they get free food if they're wearing a frat t-shirt, have a toga party, and etc. The weekend games could be geared more towards the alumni because those are the games that they are likely to go to. Do whatever it takes to get butts in the seat. There is no excuse for us to draw less than 10,000 on an SEC weekend and we should be able to draw 5,000 for midweek.

4. Incorporate the Diamond Girls into the game more. Give them a freakin' t-shirt cannon and let them fire t-shirts into the stands. They may still throw sunflower seeds into the stands, and they need to do more of that.

5. TICKET EXCHANGE! I understand the people that have had season tickets since Dudy Noble coached, but it's pretty bad when you go to a game and the LFL is full, the bleachers are pretty full, and the grandstand has Candyman Ron, the players parents, and about 20 old farts sitting there. Send season ticket holders an e-mail the day before the game where they say "yes" they are coming or "no" they aren't. Let them know this before the season starts in every method possible. If they don't reply, that is an assumed "no". Those tickets marked "no" six hours prior to the game go on sale, first come first served. If they don't have a computer, they can call in, or they can notify the ticket office in person.

6. Gameday atmosphere. I don't really have a problem with country music, unless it's played every half inning. Just change it up every now and then to different genre's. Also, have games and things in between innings for people to play and make asses out of themselves. A winning team that looks like they are trying would probably help the atmosphere as well.

7. Re-do the ticket window into something that looks nice. Also add a statue of Will Clark in front, or even better Brantley Jones shooting Ole Miss the double bird after striking out Archie Manning to win the SEC Title. Also, renovate the concession stands and bring back Penn's, Lil' Dooey, and Papa John's and bring in an Abner's stand so that the food selection is better. Oh yes, expand the grandstand, add more skyboxes, and terrace the LFL so that another layer of contraptions could be added.

8. Tear down the Jumbotron at Dudy-Noble and bring in an HD scoreboard- as big as the football fields. That way we could tell LSU- "Now THAT is an intimidator, *****."

9. Please do away with those cheap *** "uniforms". We're supposed to be a traditional college baseball power, and we come out there looking like the equipment guy accidentally picked up the titty dogs uniforms. Please. Go back to the home Detroit Tiger style MSU jerseys with the baseball logo on the chest, the Yankee style pinstripe uniforms with the MS on the chest and the maroon tops that say STATE across them. Keep the road gray uniform with "Mississippi State" across the front and then use the maroon tops with STATE across the front and gray pants.

10. Play USM in Jackson and then play either Tulane or New Orleans on the road. Disclaimer- do not play USM the same week as the Governor's Cup. I don't know why we don't play USM in Jackson. Ole Miss does and they draw a pretty good crowd, and USM also plays Bama. Take one of the midweek games off campus and play it in Pearl at Trustmark Park. Play Tulane or New Orleans at Zephyer Field so that I can have an excuse to miss work and go to New Orleans. Keep playing Memphis at Autozone so I can have an excuse to hang out in Memphis.

Hopefully Byrne and Cohen will take note.
 

RobertF50

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Hopefully Byrne and Cohen will take note.

I don't know why they would. You did not mention bringing back "chicken on a stick" :)
 

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You actually have some good ideas there. I couldn't agree more with upgrading the music, the food, and the uniforms. I think they should play "Sweet Georgia Brown" the entire time the team is taking infield practice, but otherwise the music should be made a lot more varied. "Take me out the the ball game" is obvious for the 7th Inning Stretch, but I'd like to see songs like "The Boys are Back" when we first come up to bat. I agree the ballgirls should be involved in the game more. Why can't they drag the field and water it? They should be retrieving bats, shaking their fannies and doing "Rock and Roll Hootchie Koo" dances when we are rallying, and the t-shirt shotgun is a MUST! I deplore them just sitting behind their little cages and doing nothing. They should also be cheerleaders! By the way, my season tickets are up in the 15th row, and they have yet come up that far to toss those icky bar-be-que sunflower seeds! I think they should be doing everything that can to Rock the Dude!
 

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1) Dugout Club - great idea.</p>

2) Improve tradition - thats a tough one, but you have good ideas, winning will promote tradition more than anything else.</p>

3) Promote the games - again very good ideas, can't see 5,000 fans during midweek games.</p>

4) Diamond Girls - agree</p>

5) Ticket exhange - hmmm, thats a tough one, when i have extra tickets which I do most of the time I give them away.</p>

6) Gameday atmosphere - agree, winning solves this problem, I think tradition and game day are linked together here.</p>

7) Ticket office - don't you think the whole front entrance can be improved? I like the idea of statues being put up, kinda like a hall of fame greats at Msu, this could promote tradition. Concession stands need a big improvement, every concession stand in the country have crappy concessions, I would love to see some kind of food court built on each side as well as the outfield.

8) Scoreboard - yelp, something needs to be done to improve this situation, why not put the retired numbers on each side as a start to cover up that fake brick, that is terrible looking.</p>

9) Uniforms - couldn't agree anymore. Tradition again should play a part in the way we look, the uniforms have been sick looking for a while.

10) Games in Jackson - I think the schedule will change big time, I also think Cohen will play as soft of a schedule that we can to begin with. I think playing USM in Jackson would work. I'd like to see a tournament played here like the one played in New Orleans in a few years back, Ms teams OM, USM and MSU verus AL one year and LA another and maybe FL or TX.</p>

Baseball will get healthy again, Cohen has been a fresh breathe of air. Change is good and new ideas for the baseball program will be coming, after all "Sweet Georgia Brown" needs to go, it's a basketball tune, give me the "speed ball song" with Bruce glaring away!</p>

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thedog

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"I agree the ballgirls should be involved in the game more. Why can't they drag the field and water it? They should be retrieving bats, shaking their fannies and doing "Rock and Roll Hootchie Koo" dances when we are rallying, and the t-shirt shotgun is a MUST! I deplore them just sitting behind their little cages and doing nothing. They should also be cheerleaders!"

I think there are reglulations against offical type people on the field being partisan, ie cheerleaders. I think they have to confine these activities to the stands, outside the palying field.
 

QuaoarsKing

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Any system where people who forget to confirm they're coming, then show up to find that their tickets have been resold is bound to piss everyone off.

How about this: Set up a system that season ticketholders can call before the game if they're NOT coming, and those tickets will go on resale. If we see that certain people are not showing up and not calling, they get a phone call that reminds them that we really expect them to call if they're not coming.
 

79dawg4life

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we use to have our tradition displayed out in the ballpark outfield.... now, it is hanging above our heads when we walk into the entrance. Can we not put our accomplishments out in the outfield somewhere? It use to be on the fence surrounding the outfield; but we had to go to something more politically correct or green. That is ok; but we can put former great players and accomplishments out in the outfield.

I agree.... the food could be better. I sure miss chicken on a stick!
 

RHobbs9

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I agree with most everything you have added, and I think a few more things could be done too.

Here are some things I would like to see.

1. A major facelift for the entire stadium (you mentioned the Ticket Windows). The stadium is now over 20 years old and is showing its age. I think when we expand the grandstand from the current structure to the foul poles, any new seats added need to be angled toward the infield. It is awful to sit in the bleachers and be looking straight at the centerfielder and having to turn you head for three hours and look at home plate. Go to any new major or minor league park and that is how the seats are situated down the foul lines.

Also, you could take away some of the foul territory behind homeplate and down the lines to add 3-4 rows of box seats that come down to field level. Again, look a the modern minor league or major league facilities. This would also allow for the dugouts to be expanded and modernized. Do away with the chain link fencing down the sides and put in some type of padded railing like at the new major and minor league parks.

Scoreboard....Needs a major upgrade...and get rid of the Fake Brick

2. A Monument Park, located between the stadium and the Palmerio center with statues of MSU Greats, Cooperstown type Plaques for All Americans and Great Bulldog Moments (Masters Home Run, SEC Tourney Championship, Super Regional Win, etc). It would be neat to have it where the players actually had to walk through it everytime they went from the locker room to the Palmerio Center. This would also be a good place to have the Baseball Museum.

3. Make the Palmeiro Center BASEBALL ONLY. Build the Football team and Indoor Practice Facility and take the goal post and football turf out of the Palmeiro Center. Replace the football end with another diamond. Pretty sure this would be one of, it not THE, largest Baseball only facility in the country. This program deserves its own facility. This is the one sport that we can win a national championship in. We don't need to be splitting time in our own facility in the fall!

4. Ticket Exchange. Absolutely needed.

5. Uniforms. I'm hoping Byrne will allow the M over S logo to be put back onto the uniforms.

6. Quadrouple Cohen's recruiting budget. Tell him to go get the best players in the country! </p>
 

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When does baseball get a chance of being fixed up again? Right now we are working towards a basketball pracitice facility and then on to bigger things like our Stadiums. The only thing baseball has gotten is a fresh breath of air through Cohen and Co. I agree with everyone we need to have our baseball updated and back to its days of importance around the community but right now we are too caught up in football and basketball to fulfill any specific baseball needs.</p>
 

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I would totally disagree with any sort of ticket exchange idea that requires a check-in. You are talking about actively harassing (at best) or punishing (at worst) the most loyal financial backers at MSU. That's just not smart.

I have been preaching for years a better ticket exchange system and I can't seem to get anyone to listen. A ticket exchange needs two things to be successful:

1. It has to be easy - no one is going to spend the 15 minutes it takes for our Athletic website to load, then navigate multiple cryptic logins and pages in order to find a ticket exchange donation site. This seriously needs to be as Fisher-Price easy as possibly while still meeting the proper security concerns.

2. MOTIVATION! No one does anything without motivation and I'm sorry but altruism does not exist in small bites. Here is what I mean, if you want to give $1200 to the Bulldog club you will either call in and give the $1200 in a lump sum or you will setup a draw to give $100 a month. You aren't going to call in twice a month and give $50. So in order to count on people doing it out of the goodness of their heart you have to make it a one shot deal and this simply doesn't work with tickets. When I buy my tics I don't know that if I can attend the 19th basketball game or not.

So, the only option is to find some other motivation. I can think of a couple of ways to do this but they are all based on the same system. You login and give your tickets to the ticket office for resale. If the tickets are sold you get credit for the sale price. That credit can be used a couple of ways depending on how the Athletic Department wants to work it out. One way is it could go back into the system and you get credit for that "donation" on your priority. Or it could go into a bucket that you could use to donate those funds to different athletic groups/departments (Bulldog Club, Dugout Club, etc.).

I can think of only one downside and that would be people gaming the system. I give money to the Bulldog Club but I don't buy tickets because my family sits together and my dad's priority kicks ***. But, I could buy all my allotment of tickets and then give them back for resell. If they always sold I could double up on priority. So yeah, that's gaming the system but do we really care? I'm taking the risk the tickets won't sell but the school is still getting both the initial price of the tickets and the resell money so does anyone really care? I may be playing the system but the money generated is real.

So, it's not fool proof, and there are some things to still figure out, but I think this is a better ticket exchange system. It will put more asses in the seats and more money into the system while still motivating people to actually use it.
 

Todd4State

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I like the idea of redoing the front of the stadium. That's what I meant, but not what I typed, so, my bad.

I like the idea of a monument park because that way if you were a player, you would know, "hey, there's a lot expected of me" instead of "I'm going to have fun with my friends today."

As far as the ticket exchange, I will be the first to admit that I don't know all that much about them. So, I am all for whatever is the best and easiest way for our fans to exchange the tickets. I just know that we need one badly.
 

RobertF50

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win some games first if we are tied up with upgrades of the other programs. We all can see the kind of staff Coach Cohen has put together, and we are already seeing a huge change in the interest of players being recruited. All we need is for everyone to see the change on the field and I think it all would be possible. I firmly believe the product we put on the field next year will be so much better than before in attitude alone that the excitement level will keep building and the sky is the limit. Lets face it, our fans have always been willing to pack the house.
 

Faustdog

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or even better Brantley Jones shooting Ole Miss the double bird after striking out Archie Manning to win the SEC Title.
Did that really happen? Awesome if true.
 

Todd4State

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It's my favorite MSU baseball story of all time!

State and Ole Miss were playing for the SEC Championship in Oxford. State was ahead by a run with two outs and one runner on and Achie Manning was on deck. Against Paul Gregory's wishes, Jones intentionally walked the batter, which put the tying run in scoring position and the go ahead run on base, so that he could get Archie out as the last out of the game.

As you probably have figured out, Brantley strikes out Archie, State wins the SEC and as the MSU players were carrying Brantley Jones off on their shoulders he gives Ole Miss the double bird. Apparently there is a picture of this in the Ole Miss yearbook from that year.

Another story about Brantley Jones, this may have been from the same game, but one time he was facing Ole Miss and went to the mound with an "Archie Who?" button on his hat, but the Ole Miss coaches got the umpire to make him take it off. Still pretty funny.
 

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I had forgot about the dugout club (I will join on Monday) but I think people are more willing to donate to something if you say "this donation is going to ..." whatever it is, the fence, the ticket office. Cohen or Byrne needs to tell us what baseball needs.

Someone could make a website about the baseball walk of fame or upgrade to the ticket office or whatever. Have a link to the bulldog club to donate and a comment on what your extra donation is for. The website should have a counter telling how close you are to having all the money donated. I think this would motivate people to donate to a specific reason.

Greg Byrne needs to see these comments. There are some great ideas in this thread.
 

Faustdog

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Todd4State said:
Apparently there is a picture of this in the Ole Miss yearbook from that year.

I would love to see that picture. Anyone who can find it gets free chat for life.
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