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blion72

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our neighbor is the HC at the small rural local HS. he had some D3 college coaching experience and was a GA at Iowa State, so good background. he hosts a fund raising breakfast we attended today, and had two interesting comments.

the team won (by 2 points) last night and beat a previously unbeaten team, although that team had really played a weak schedule. Coach's comment was beating a team who hasn't lost is always a heavy lift. Even if they haven't played a strong schedule, a win is a win, and that breeds confidence. We have heard him say this before, but it made me think of PSU. I thought of Penn State schedule this year and half the teams we play will likely be unbeaten when we play them. This makes a hard schedule harder. It is also the story of a team like UMich who played nobody and never played an away game. Their QB has confidence even if it is artificial.

the other think he said was as coaches go to bigger schools or coach college, they tend to see players as a position and not what they could be. This leads to players who are backups on the depth chart who might be able to fill a hole elsewhere not being considered. He noticed this as he has coached at all levels. Our team only dresses about 45-50 players, and 4-5 play two way. that would not happen in the big school class. However, last night we had an injured LB, and he moved a backup who had been playing RB and TE to LB. the kid looked better than any LB on the team. He was decent RB/TE and good sized kid and turned out to be even better at LB. The kid had never been in a game at LB, and was one of the reasons we won last night. Our team's best players are where the kid had been playing. He said that when you coach at higher levels you tend to forget to look at your entire team to fill holes. In the era of the transfer portal, you can see where this would be important. Nick Scott came to us a pretty good RB, but not compared to Saquon and Myles. In today's game if we let him sit behind them, he would transfer. Moving him to safety improved our team, and now he is in the NFL. Coach said that the concept of best available player to fill a hole tends to go away as you go to bigger programs, but it can still be effective even there.
 

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and yet we still criticze our coaches for moving 2 DT's who were never going to play DT to OL where we needed plenty of help. I never understood that.

I think the criticism was that we didn't recruit enough OL during BOB's tenure. I never cared that we converted 2 DTs. That's just a band-aid for a gunshot wound. Did those guys become all conference players or were they simply bodies at a time when we short?
 
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the other think he said was as coaches go to bigger schools or coach college, they tend to see players as a position and not what they could be. This leads to players who are backups on the depth chart who might be able to fill a hole elsewhere not being considered.

I think this depends on the coach. Maybe more so today than in the past.

Being a life long ND fan I can remember how Parseghian moved players around to make sure he had the best players on the field. For example Dave Casper played center, offense tackle, tight end in different years. The entire backfield from the year before Ara ended up playing in the offense or defense line (and in the NFL). Etc, etc. Seems that some coaches are just better at evaluating personnel abilities than others.
 

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I think this depends on the coach. Maybe more so today than in the past.

Being a life long ND fan I can remember how Parseghian moved players around to make sure he had the best players on the field. For example Dave Casper played center, offense tackle, tight end in different years. The entire backfield from the year before Ara ended up playing in the offense or defense line (and in the NFL). Etc, etc. Seems that some coaches are just better at evaluating personnel abilities than others.
in the current era, the backup players are candidates to transfer if they are scholie players. If we were loaded with big DT's but hurting at OT, then moving one over might make sense. JoePa did this with a guy who went on to be an NFL starter. This just seems to be smart coaching.

If you looked at out depth chart, we could probably easily figure out who the players are who will likely transfer. Are any of these candidates to move where we need depth? that was probably a better question for the spring.
 

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our neighbor is the HC at the small rural local HS. he had some D3 college coaching experience and was a GA at Iowa State, so good background. he hosts a fund raising breakfast we attended today, and had two interesting comments.

the team won (by 2 points) last night and beat a previously unbeaten team, although that team had really played a weak schedule. Coach's comment was beating a team who hasn't lost is always a heavy lift. Even if they haven't played a strong schedule, a win is a win, and that breeds confidence. We have heard him say this before, but it made me think of PSU. I thought of Penn State schedule this year and half the teams we play will likely be unbeaten when we play them. This makes a hard schedule harder. It is also the story of a team like UMich who played nobody and never played an away game. Their QB has confidence even if it is artificial.

the other think he said was as coaches go to bigger schools or coach college, they tend to see players as a position and not what they could be. This leads to players who are backups on the depth chart who might be able to fill a hole elsewhere not being considered. He noticed this as he has coached at all levels. Our team only dresses about 45-50 players, and 4-5 play two way. that would not happen in the big school class. However, last night we had an injured LB, and he moved a backup who had been playing RB and TE to LB. the kid looked better than any LB on the team. He was decent RB/TE and good sized kid and turned out to be even better at LB. The kid had never been in a game at LB, and was one of the reasons we won last night. Our team's best players are where the kid had been playing. He said that when you coach at higher levels you tend to forget to look at your entire team to fill holes. In the era of the transfer portal, you can see where this would be important. Nick Scott came to us a pretty good RB, but not compared to Saquon and Myles. In today's game if we let him sit behind them, he would transfer. Moving him to safety improved our team, and now he is in the NFL. Coach said that the concept of best available player to fill a hole tends to go away as you go to bigger programs, but it can still be effective even there.
What the hell is artificial confidence?

Michigan has the best offensive line you will face with Corum at running back and Donovan Edwards backing him up, the best tandem of RB's you will face. In addition, your receivers do not match Michigan's in experience and speed.

Michigan has an Alabama transfer at DE and just beat the number 1 ranked defense in a road game and a freshman defensive tackle , Graham, dominating the line of scrimmage at times. Both Michigan corner backs will be drafted.

James Franklin is your coach, tell me what his record is against Harbaugh in particular in Ann Arbor. We are talking about a football game, not selling used cars.

I forgot OBVIOUSLY. Is Psu still "great striving to be elite?"'
 

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What the hell is artificial confidence? - You.

Michigan has the best offensive line you will face with Corum at running back and Donovan Edwards backing him up, the best tandem of RB's you will face. In addition, your receivers do not match Michigan's in experience and speed. - Have you heard of P.J. Mustipher, Chop Robinson, Abdul Carter and Joey Porter Jr.? You will.

Michigan has an Alabama transfer at DE and just beat the number 1 ranked defense in a road game and a freshman defensive tackle , Graham, dominating the line of scrimmage at times. Both Michigan corner backs will be drafted. - See above when you finally play a real DI team.

James Franklin is your coach, tell me what his record is against Harbaugh in particular in Ann Arbor. We are talking about a football game, not selling used cars. - Welcome to the year 2022.

I forgot OBVIOUSLY. Is Psu still "great striving to be elite?"' - Obviously, Jim is still picking his nose and eating it.
Easy there Sparky . . . see above
 

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What the hell is artificial confidence?

Michigan has the best offensive line you will face with Corum at running back and Donovan Edwards backing him up, the best tandem of RB's you will face. In addition, your receivers do not match Michigan's in experience and speed.

Michigan has an Alabama transfer at DE and just beat the number 1 ranked defense in a road game and a freshman defensive tackle , Graham, dominating the line of scrimmage at times. Both Michigan corner backs will be drafted.

James Franklin is your coach, tell me what his record is against Harbaugh in particular in Ann Arbor. We are talking about a football game, not selling used cars.

I forgot OBVIOUSLY. Is Psu still "great striving to be elite?"'
Are you implying that Michigan is elite?
 

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What the hell is artificial confidence?

Michigan has the best offensive line you will face with Corum at running back and Donovan Edwards backing him up, the best tandem of RB's you will face. In addition, your receivers do not match Michigan's in experience and speed.

Michigan has an Alabama transfer at DE and just beat the number 1 ranked defense in a road game and a freshman defensive tackle , Graham, dominating the line of scrimmage at times. Both Michigan corner backs will be drafted.

James Franklin is your coach, tell me what his record is against Harbaugh in particular in Ann Arbor. We are talking about a football game, not selling used cars.

I forgot OBVIOUSLY. Is Psu still "great striving to be elite?"'
We still have a better fly fishing program.
 

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our neighbor is the HC at the small rural local HS. he had some D3 college coaching experience and was a GA at Iowa State, so good background. he hosts a fund raising breakfast we attended today, and had two interesting comments.

the team won (by 2 points) last night and beat a previously unbeaten team, although that team had really played a weak schedule. Coach's comment was beating a team who hasn't lost is always a heavy lift. Even if they haven't played a strong schedule, a win is a win, and that breeds confidence. We have heard him say this before, but it made me think of PSU. I thought of Penn State schedule this year and half the teams we play will likely be unbeaten when we play them. This makes a hard schedule harder. It is also the story of a team like UMich who played nobody and never played an away game. Their QB has confidence even if it is artificial.

the other think he said was as coaches go to bigger schools or coach college, they tend to see players as a position and not what they could be. This leads to players who are backups on the depth chart who might be able to fill a hole elsewhere not being considered. He noticed this as he has coached at all levels. Our team only dresses about 45-50 players, and 4-5 play two way. that would not happen in the big school class. However, last night we had an injured LB, and he moved a backup who had been playing RB and TE to LB. the kid looked better than any LB on the team. He was decent RB/TE and good sized kid and turned out to be even better at LB. The kid had never been in a game at LB, and was one of the reasons we won last night. Our team's best players are where the kid had been playing. He said that when you coach at higher levels you tend to forget to look at your entire team to fill holes. In the era of the transfer portal, you can see where this would be important. Nick Scott came to us a pretty good RB, but not compared to Saquon and Myles. In today's game if we let him sit behind them, he would transfer. Moving him to safety improved our team, and now he is in the NFL. Coach said that the concept of best available player to fill a hole tends to go away as you go to bigger programs, but it can still be effective even there.
So this guy had a stud LB on the bench as a backup DE behind the team's 2 best defensive players? ****** coach, but that's par for the course in the HS football world. HS football coaches are as dumb as dirt. All of them.
 

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What the hell is artificial confidence?

Michigan has the best offensive line you will face with Corum at running back and Donovan Edwards backing him up, the best tandem of RB's you will face. In addition, your receivers do not match Michigan's in experience and speed.

Michigan has an Alabama transfer at DE and just beat the number 1 ranked defense in a road game and a freshman defensive tackle , Graham, dominating the line of scrimmage at times. Both Michigan corner backs will be drafted.

James Franklin is your coach, tell me what his record is against Harbaugh in particular in Ann Arbor. We are talking about a football game, not selling used cars.

I forgot OBVIOUSLY. Is Psu still "great striving to be elite?"'
Your post is typical Michigan arrogance. Perhaps you will beat PSU but how about a little humility.
 
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Yogiman71

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What the hell is artificial confidence?

Michigan has the best offensive line you will face with Corum at running back and Donovan Edwards backing him up, the best tandem of RB's you will face. In addition, your receivers do not match Michigan's in experience and speed.

Michigan has an Alabama transfer at DE and just beat the number 1 ranked defense in a road game and a freshman defensive tackle , Graham, dominating the line of scrimmage at times. Both Michigan corner backs will be drafted.

James Franklin is your coach, tell me what his record is against Harbaugh in particular in Ann Arbor. We are talking about a football game, not selling used cars.

I forgot OBVIOUSLY. Is Psu still "great striving to be elite?"'
I wouldn’t consider M elite, their hubris is annoying after winning 1 game in the last 9 years against their biggest rival. Penn State has played OhowIhate closer the last 8 years than M.
 
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I think the criticism was that we didn't recruit enough OL during BOB's tenure. I never cared that we converted 2 DTs. That's just a band-aid for a gunshot wound. Did those guys become all conference players or were they simply bodies at a time when we short?
This criticism is very tired.
 

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I think this depends on the coach. Maybe more so today than in the past.

Being a life long ND fan I can remember how Parseghian moved players around to make sure he had the best players on the field. For example Dave Casper played center, offense tackle, tight end in different years. The entire backfield from the year before Ara ended up playing in the offense or defense line (and in the NFL). Etc, etc. Seems that some coaches are just better at evaluating personnel abilities than others.
I am old enough to remember some coach who won 409 games who moved players around frequently. But what the heck did he know about football?
 
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