Hubbard's slump

KentuckyDawg13

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This situation seems to have started at the Central Michigan game in Jackson.
Even my wife commented during that game that Josh did not seem like himself.
Since that game, Josh has been in a shooting slump:
FG 3PT Opponent
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4-15 3-12 Central Michigan (Jackson, MS)
5-12 3-8 @Memphis
4-15 1-9 Bethune-Cookman
7-13 5-10 USC*
3-9 1-5 Vandy
5-16 3-11 uk
2-12 2-10 auburn

27% from three?!
32% OVERALL!?
*decent game

It's a difficult situation Jans has with this, as Josh was clutch most of last season. And with the Clary situation (whatever that is), we have little options to run the PG position instead of a freshman.
From my perspective, it seems Josh is forcing shots now. Sure, defenses are focused on him, but many of his shots last night were not ideal.
Thoughts?
 
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I've been saying he has poor shot selection, sometimes out of necessity. When he elevates for a shot, he is often floating left or right, which makes accuracy difficult. A good shot has many parts and it starts with getting your feet under you and elevating vertically. Hubbard has better performance when he plays the 2 position and we run set plays for him so he can get a set shot. I noticed two games ago we ran him on a double screen and he had a wide open shot at the top and he rushed it, his feet flew to the side and he missed. It's something he needs to get a handle on.
 

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he had several wide *** open 3s last night. good shots --he missed. when we playing road games in SEC -when HUB plays bad --we won't win. just a fact. Hub also can't guard 6'5" guards.. if he isn't scoring then the points he is giving up beats us. 5'9" can't guard other guards who are over 6 feet tall.
 
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It’s not just his shooting, though. When he doesn’t have the ball, he’s literally just standing around. This allows his defender to sag into the paint and become an extra lane defender. Hubbard isn’t moving, using screens, etc to get open so his defender doesn’t have to chase him.

It’s also his defense. Last night, he was standing flat-footed on defense and letting Auburn’s PG have his way with him consistently.

Something’s off and he needs to fix it soon!
 

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He's coming to grips with being undersized and being asked to shoulder responsibilities for which his skillset is .... average at best. Love his passion, though. Tough spot for jans
this is the correct answer. he's not a PG, but is being asked to be one. you get someone out of their comfort zone in BB, and you can wreck their confidence and they'll start pressing.
 
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I've been saying he has poor shot selection, sometimes out of necessity. When he elevates for a shot, he is often floating left or right, which makes accuracy difficult. A good shot has many parts and it starts with getting your feet under you and elevating vertically. Hubbard has better performance when he plays the 2 position and we run set plays for him so he can get a set shot. I noticed two games ago we ran him on a double screen and he had a wide open shot at the top and he rushed it, his feet flew to the side and he missed. It's something he needs to get a handle on.
This is basically it. If he's our primary ball handler, he's not going to be the same offensive weapon for us as he is when we can get him off the ball some. He's forcing stuff because he still feels like he needs to be the man. The good news is he is not our only scoring option, and we don't need him to force things. The bad news is we do need him to score some and to hit open 3's when he gets them, and that's going to be a hard balance for him to figure out. He's going to disappear some games and make mistakes forcing things some games.
he had several wide *** open 3s last night. good shots --he missed. when we playing road games in SEC -when HUB plays bad --we won't win. just a fact. Hub also can't guard 6'5" guards.. if he isn't scoring then the points he is giving up beats us. 5'9" can't guard other guards who are over 6 feet tall.
I think Hub is in his own head now. He's missing a lot of shots because they aren't good shots, but it's impacting him when he does get good shots.
Only other thing that would cause this would be dead legs (we've played on some short turn arounds, but it's pretty early in the season so that really shouldn't be it) and a minor injury, which he doesn't seem to have.
 

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I've been saying he has poor shot selection, sometimes out of necessity. When he elevates for a shot, he is often floating left or right, which makes accuracy difficult. A good shot has many parts and it starts with getting your feet under you and elevating vertically. Hubbard has better performance when he plays the 2 position and we run set plays for him so he can get a set shot. I noticed two games ago we ran him on a double screen and he had a wide open shot at the top and he rushed it, his feet flew to the side and he missed. It's something he needs to get a handle on.
Yeah, I’ve felt for a few weeks now like Josh is playing as if 15-20 pts is required from him in order for State to win. He is forcing a lot of contested to downright bad shots, and I feel bad for him because I know that no one is more frustrated than him, but he’s got to figure out how to better help the team even it that means being a decoy.

2/12 shooting is bad enough, but 2/12 with zero assists can’t happen
 
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It’s time…
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Teams have no problem switching a big on him because he won’t drive the ball past them into the paint. Which I guess at this point you have to say it’s not so much that he won’t do it it’s that he cant. Just doesn’t have the ball handling ability which is bad because he’s playing the point.
 

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Teams are going all out to stop him. As I said in another thread a week or so ago, this team will go as far as the other players can take it.
 
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follow the lead of Starkville's very own, beloved Arthur Juan Brown...

Joshua Hubbard needs to read Inner Excellence by Jim Murphy

The whole team needs to read it

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Teams are going all out to stop him. As I said in another thread a week or so ago, this team will go as far as the other players can take it.
And with last night being the exception, I think we've got guys capable and willing to do that. I guess what I don't know is whether Hubbard's going to accept that. He can still be of value on the court if he's constantly drawing double teams, but he's got to be willing to make the pass rather than jacking up long range, contested shots
 
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onewoof

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What you also may not be seeing is the defense's attention on Hubbard allows Kugel to score often on open shots

We are really missing Kugel. Probably beat KY with him on the court.
 

TXDawg.sixpack

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According to Bo Bounds, he thinks Jans should be running more designed plays and screens for Hub.
The problem with that is that Hubbard isn't moving without the ball. Hard to run plays/screens for a guy that's just standing there watching the game.
 

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It’s also possible he’s just in a slump and nothing earth shattering is wrong…. I mean it happens, good players have slumps all the time. I think he will be fine.
 
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Teams have no problem switching a big on him because he won’t drive the ball past them into the paint. Which I guess at this point you have to say it’s not so much that he won’t do it it’s that he cant. Just doesn’t have the ball handling ability which is bad because he’s playing the point.
His favorite thing to do then, fake the drive and do a step back off balance 3.
 
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I think playing point guard has hurt Josh. Say what you want but even if you are a good ball handler it’s different playing 2 guard compared to point guard where you are trying to set guys up and being at the point or top of the key.
 

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I think playing point guard has hurt Josh. Say what you want but even if you are a good ball handler it’s different playing 2 guard compared to point guard where you are trying to set guys up and being at the point or top of the key.
Nailed it. The common folk don’t realize how much different it is playing the point vs 2 guard. Mentally and physically wears you down
 
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