I am a HUGE Stans supporter.

[BriantheDawg]

I like the players he brings in. I like winning 20+ games almost every single season. I like winning the SEC. I like winning the SEC Tourney. I think we've had some **** luck in the Tourney, so I can't put not making it past the Round of 32 all on Stans.

HOWEVER, this player transferring ******** has done got old already. If that stupid sonofabitch can't keep his players that aren't good enough to go Pro in Starkville for 4 or 5 years, we will never make it to 'that next level'. His floor coaching abilities is not what is holding us back. People like to point at that because he can't get past the first weekend of the Tourney. That's not it though. If he doesn't stop butting heads, over-promising and under-delivering to these guys he recruits, %%!@ I don't know. I don't want to say he needs to be canned because we'd be hard-pressed to find anyone better (unlike what coach and maybe one other person think), but g-damnit, this has got to stop. It's every fecking year. His way or the highway.

Stans, chill out on your ego a little bit or something. Try a different approach because your approach ain't working no mo. %%!@, just do something to keep what was going to be the heart and soul of our team together. Just one year. Try it. Something. Different. %%!@!

 

[BriantheDawg]

I like the players he brings in. I like winning 20+ games almost every single season. I like winning the SEC. I like winning the SEC Tourney. I think we've had some **** luck in the Tourney, so I can't put not making it past the Round of 32 all on Stans.

HOWEVER, this player transferring ******** has done got old already. If that stupid sonofabitch can't keep his players that aren't good enough to go Pro in Starkville for 4 or 5 years, we will never make it to 'that next level'. His floor coaching abilities is not what is holding us back. People like to point at that because he can't get past the first weekend of the Tourney. That's not it though. If he doesn't stop butting heads, over-promising and under-delivering to these guys he recruits, %%!@ I don't know. I don't want to say he needs to be canned because we'd be hard-pressed to find anyone better (unlike what coach and maybe one other person think), but g-damnit, this has got to stop. It's every fecking year. His way or the highway.

Stans, chill out on your ego a little bit or something. Try a different approach because your approach ain't working no mo. %%!@, just do something to keep what was going to be the heart and soul of our team together. Just one year. Try it. Something. Different. %%!@!

 

[hotdigitydog]

it all starts and ends with Stans........

 

[KingBarkus]

it all starts and ends with Stans........

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This coaching staff needs to take a long, hard look at itself. When starters getting good minutes start bailing, warning bells need to be going off. I believe part of it may be favoritism shown to one player over another, creating discontent among the players. I attended the George Mason game 3 years ago at the Hump and Stans seemed to give far more love to J-money even as a freshman as opposed to others. My brother attended the USC game this year and Ben was visibly upset with J-money near the conclusion. Those are anecdotes, I know, but something ain't right.

 

[Coach34]

"When starters getting good minutes start bailing, warning bells need to be going off."

Warning bells should have been going off 3 years ago when I brought up how many kids we were losing. But everybody wanted to make excuses and talk about the players. Well,the problem is still here, and its getting worse. If you go back and look at the recruits we have brought in the last 5-6 years and how many of them took the floor for us as Sr's, its pretty damn ugly.

 

[ArrowDawg]

Try using "fracking" instead of fecking. It's a good BSG reference.

 

[thunderclap]

I don't even know what to say anymore. All the obvious reasons that this hurts us from year to year are out there. Consistent defections have kept us from being a top 15 caliber team.

 

[BewareOfMSUDawg]

how much truth is in all of those accounts about why our players left.

I don't have insider info, so I don't have any idea what really went on with the Delks or others that have left, but there is a common denominator here, and his name starts with S and ends in bury. It's become obvious to me that his ability to handle a program leaves a lot to be desired.</p>

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Warning bells should have been going off 3 years ago when I brought up how many kids we were losing.

I am curious as to whether or not you can take part a discussion about something going on in MSU sports that does not include a reference to how you knew what was happening all along. Seriously, could the above sentence have stopped after when, or did you need to pat yourself on the back? Who cares if you said this or not. Ronny is not here to dig it out of his archive. You have good knowledge and opinions, but give the ego a rest.
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[MSUCostanza]

for Peaches to keep his massive ego in check. I'm no shrink, but I wonder if his never-ending quest to be right about everything AND make sure everyone within earshot knows it has had any influence on his personal and professional life?

 

[Coach34]

mainly because we had the "Coach Roast" after I said it from the usual Ricky sheep- Ricky wins, everybody loses players, the players are at fault, we didnt need them anyway...all the usual Ricky excuses being thrown out. It takes a rock to fall on some you to see a problem

 

[Coach34]

nfm

 

[patdog]

And truth be told, the Delks and Hansbrough were not exactly upper half of the conference type players. But you're right, we've got to quit having starters transfer out after 2 years. The bottom line though is wins and losses. And we're the 3rd winningest team in the SEC over Stans's 10 seasons. So he must be doing something right. We made it to the tournament without the Delks. I bet we'll make it at least one of the next 2 years without Hansbrough.

 

[MSUCostanza]

is you creaming your pants at the double whammy of something bad happening to MSU athletics and the ability to bring up a post you supposedly made 3 years ago to make yourself look good. You must need a cigarette about now.

 

[Coach34]

nfm

 

[TR.sixpack]

he subbed for the 9th grade girls volleyball coach.

 

[Coach34]

1. We lost people that werent fitting in, but they worth keeping. Jackson, Ervin, Boswell, while not awesome, werent bad players, but "werent fitting in" with Ricky's plan. I'm not saying they didnt need to leave, but as it turns out with the constant revolving door, maybe they werent so wrong afterall.

2. Recruiting- We can get them here, what is happening after they get here? Answer has got to be with the coaching staff

3. Hans was just a Soph and was a solid player. Hell, he poured in 19 on Memphis. He was a player we needed to be here 4 years for toughness, leadership, and steady play. Same with the Delks. Everybody cant be a star, but those guys help make a team

 

[BriantheDawg]

We can get em here, but what happens once we do? It seems to be a lot of under-delivering on the coaching staff/Stans's behalf. I see transfers from other schools but nothing like we see under Stans. It's become an epidemic and something needs to be done. I just don't know what.

 

[shaschboy]

influence by not allowing this. I think someone said that if he didn't agree, then Hans would have to sit for 2 years. Then let him. We gave the guy a chance. If he didn't have his brothers coat tales to ride on, he would just be another average guard. You guys forget the early games where he went 0-for eternity. Not a lot of love then for Hans. We won the SEC West and lost to the "who should be Nat. Champs." I own a business and when an employee starts barking orders and what he "deserves" I tell him seyanora unless he's worth it. I promise you we can get a better and taller guard with more speed and shooting ability than Hans. Yes he hustles, but I promise you someone will step up. Yes, we may lose Jamont as well and be faced with losing 3 starters, but say what you want, Stans is the winniest coach in MSU history. He didn't get there by being an idiot. He always finds a way to get us to win. Think back to the 5-5 start and everyone was ready to get out the pitchforks. Now the guy may get a shot at a university with some cash. Just remember this, WE ARE WINNING. Stans needs to make a statement and let these premadonnas know that you leave, you pay.

 

[Stormrider81]

I'm right there with you on The Delks and Hans, but Jackson was obviously a cancer that later matured. We immediately got better when he left and had a nice run the next few years. That was a necessary move for our program and, as patdog said in another thread, benefitted all parties involved.

As far the the Delks and Hans go, if you will recall I was one of the few saying we would miss the Delks and their transferring out pointed to a possible problem. Now, I say that not to pat myself on the back but rather to illustrate that even though I like Stans and take up for him a lot, I don't excuse every single thing that happens in his program. Having the Delks this year means having a better seed and probably a Sweet 16 or Elite 8. Not having Hans next year means no NCAAs. It sucks that both transferred out after their sophomore years and I don't know what the issue is but Stans needs to address it ASAP.

 

[Shmuley]

Do you really think Stans has the ability to provide discipline? Do we expect Stans to control 20 year old prima donnas when he can't control his 4 year old?

 

[patdog]

Jackson did worse than "not fit in" while he was at MSU. When your own teammates vote you off the island, that says a lot. As for Boswell, I don't know where you're getting that he wasn't a bad player. He was a drug addict who didn't do anything at MSU or after he left. Of course, I'm sure you could have helped him if you'd only been given the chance.

But you're right. Losing the Delks and Hansbrough these past two years has hurt us. None of them was ever going to be an All-SEC player (Hansbrough might have had a shot at an honorable mention his senior season), but they all contributed. Stans is doing a good job of keeping his star players happy, but he's got to start doing a better job of also keeping his key role players happy. I'm sure there's plenty of blame for Ervin, the Delks and Hansbrough. As far as I'm concerned, they're all pussies. But, as others have pointed out, the common denominator is Stans. He's got to learn to either keep guys like that on the team for 4 years or recruit guys who aren't going to get their feelings hurt when better players are the team leaders.

 

[JR]

facts you get punished by the administrators and others seeking the administraters love and approval.

True, what is logical and makes more sense is to wait until a problem is glaringly obvious to the most casual observer, and then complain about it.
However some of us are gluttons for punishment.
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I think C34 ought to enjoy the pleasure of watching some of his chief tormentors, say "Gee, maybe we DO have a problem"...I know I do.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

I really haven't seen those kids misbehave. I have just seen him have them on the bench, in team huddles, running out with the team, etc., which is all stuff he encourages. That **** drives me nuts. But, I would not characterize it as not controlling his kids.

 

[bulldogcountry1]

i don't think we could have really done much better over the last 10 years. i just feel that, in light of the events in the last 2 or 3 years, he owes us some explanatation beyond the coachspeak. the problems all point to him and the way he handles things, and they can't be glossed over with the same old lines.

 

[dogfan96]

Jackson did worse than "not fit in" while he was at MSU. When your own teammates vote you off the island, that says a lot. As for Boswell, I don't know where you're getting that he wasn't a bad player. He was a drug addict who didn't do anything at MSU or after he left. Of course, I'm sure you could have helped him if you'd only been given the chance.

But you're right. Losing the Delks and Hansbrough these past two years has hurt us. None of them was ever going to be an All-SEC player (Hansbrough might have had a shot at an honorable mention his senior season), but they all contributed. Stans is doing a good job of keeping his star players happy, but he's got to start doing a better job of also keeping his key role players happy. I'm sure there's plenty of blame for Ervin, the Delks and Hansbrough. As far as I'm concerned, they're all pussies. But, as others have pointed out, the common denominator is Stans. He's got to learn to either keep guys like that on the team for 4 years or recruit guys who aren't going to get their feelings hurt when better players are the team leaders.

You can find any number of guys on any or all of our teams who like to do that. He wasn't a bad guy at all. In fact he's a really cool guy. He just happened to get caught I guess. And he most definitely wasn't a bad player. He did go on to play for the national championship in Division 2 (or maybe it was 3). His team lost though. </p>

 

[patdog]

You can find any number of guys on any or all of our teams who like to do that. He wasn't a bad guy at all. In fact he's a really cool guy. He just happened to get caught I guess. And he most definitely wasn't a bad player. He did go on to play for the national championship in Division 2 (or maybe it was 3). His team lost though.

Key word there is "Divison II." If he could have played in Division I, he would have.</p>

 

[dogfan96]

You can find any number of guys on any or all of our teams who like to do that. He wasn't a bad guy at all. In fact he's a really cool guy. He just happened to get caught I guess. And he most definitely wasn't a bad player. He did go on to play for the national championship in Division 2 (or maybe it was 3). His team lost though.

Key word there is "Divison II." If he could have played in Division I, he would have.</p>

He could've played at State and been productive if not for his "indiscretions".</p>

 

[patdog]

Guys who can play Div. I ball don't voluntarily drop down to Div. II. And if he could play Div. I ball, smoking a little weed wouldn't have stopped someone from picking him up.</p>

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

didn't that Florida QB go DII now he's in the NFL?

 

[patdog]

But that was for just one year. Not to mention that Marshall at the time was a better place for a QB to develop than 3/4 of the schools in I-A. Boswell had 3 more years to play. I think most players in that situation would sit out a year to play 3 at the Div. I level if they could rather than play 3 years at Div. II.</p>

 

[JR]

change when he doesnt think he needs to change?
Stan just took MSU to its 5th NCAA tournament bid.
Lets face it for the VAST and I mean 95% of the fanbase, one win in the NCAA tournament counts as a wildly succesful season. Its like Kentucky making it to the Final 4. Sure you would like to do better, but you arent complaining, you sure as heck arnet telling your coach to make changes or else.
Stan will undoubtedly get a raise this year. Why shouldnt he keep behaving in the same way he always has?. He needs ONE and ONLY ONE star on his team and a bunch of role player to rebound, play defense and team ball. That will get him 20 wins most seasons and maybe to the second round of the NCAA.

Here is the Stan plan
1. Recruit a bunch of guys till you find one to build your offense around. Treat him like gold
2. Treat your underclassman role players like second class citizens, till they figure out they are there to rebound, hustle and play defense. They have to give up their individual games to support #1
3. Treat your upperclassman like they are first class citizens, because they have figured it out
4. Punch our anyone other than #1 who complains about the way things are
5. Find a 6.5 man rotation
6. Shedule a cream puff OOC schedule
7. Win 20 games, maybe make the NCAA's
8. Take a bigger check home to Meo.

If you want more, pick another school to root for. If you are a ball player and want more, there's the door, transfer to another school.

 

[jackbaddawg]

Something has got to be wrong with this picture.It's too fuzzy

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

maybe they are 1a, not sure.

 

[Woof Man Jack]

You could argue that the others that have transferred had some type of issue. Major or minor, at least there was something that made you understand why they were gone. Maybe you didn't agree with it, but you understood.

But with Hans? Are you kidding? He's a solid player, seems like a solid person, getting a shitload of playing time...doesn't make sense.

 

[Stansfield]

Do you really think Stans has the ability to provide discipline? Do we expect Stans to control 20 year old prima donnas when he can't control his 4 year old?

</p>That is the dumbest @@#*!!+ thing I have ever seen on this forum.

 

[lanceharbor7]

and Ingle Martin did play there.