I am royally pissed right now

[Todd4State]

about this Willie Martinez ********. This guy had "good numbers" with a bunch of highly recruited guys, and we're not always going to have talent like Georgia. And yet, this guy has progressively gotten WORSE every year he was at Georgia. Why the hell are we hiring a guy that has gotten worse every year?

First Carl Torbush, and now this piece of ****? Seriously.

And hte biggest thing that bothers me is the rush with which we seem to be making in hiring a DC. I mean, the bowls just started today. Is there something wrong with waiting a whole 30 hours to talk to Diaz at MTSU?

Heck, I would take Heater over this assclown. Hell, I would take Nix or even Cheese over this guy.

After this, and after we fire Martinez next year for sucking, we need to disallow Mullen form making anymore DC hires from now on.

 

[Todd4State]

about this Willie Martinez ********. This guy had "good numbers" with a bunch of highly recruited guys, and we're not always going to have talent like Georgia. And yet, this guy has progressively gotten WORSE every year he was at Georgia. Why the hell are we hiring a guy that has gotten worse every year?

First Carl Torbush, and now this piece of ****? Seriously.

And hte biggest thing that bothers me is the rush with which we seem to be making in hiring a DC. I mean, the bowls just started today. Is there something wrong with waiting a whole 30 hours to talk to Diaz at MTSU?

Heck, I would take Heater over this assclown. Hell, I would take Nix or even Cheese over this guy.

After this, and after we fire Martinez next year for sucking, we need to disallow Mullen form making anymore DC hires from now on.

 

[captaindawg]

there is not one positive I have heard about him. Unreal.</p>

 

[Beretta.sixpack]

take a hint.......progress, not regress

 

[War Machine Dawg]

Seriously, is Mullen just going out of his way to hire the worst DC possible? There is nothing, I repeat, NOTHING good about Martinez. I got an uncle that lives in the Atlanta area. He used to coach and he thinks Martinez is terrible. As you point out, Todd, the defense regressed at UGA under him.

Todd, may I plagiarize your post to BDJ? You said it about as well as it could be said.

 

[saltybulldog]

This stinks if even close to true. I mean close as in, if he was even scribbled on any napkin near the Bryan building. what part of not good with UGA talent equals good with Starkville talent.

 

[GBryne4Heisman]

that is all I got..

 

[Todd4State]

And on top of it all, I find out that Martinez rushes only four most of the time. Damn. Somebody shoot me.

Does Dan have something against a defense that blitzes?

 

[Nad Nellum]

the way I see it,if this is who Mullen wants, it's on him. He knows that. There aren't many saviors out there, and if there are, Fla. and Ga. will get them before we do anyway.

 

[msudogsrule01]

Todd, I usually agree with you, but looking at the numbers and I have to say that I would be OK with Martinez. 30th ranked D (don't forget how bad GA was on turnovers [119 in the NATION] and offense [73rd in the nation]) with ranking 36th in sacks and 16th in tackles for loss. Basically he had Diaz like numbers against real competition. And he was able to stop Georgia Tech. Something we never came close to doing. At worst he is a slight upgrade. All that said, I still want Jamie Willis from Alabama.

 

[Todd4State]

the way I see it,if this is who Mullen wants, it's on him. He knows that. There aren't many saviors out there, and if there are, Fla. and Ga. will get
them before we do anyway.

Heck, we had Ken Donahue, who was Bear Bryant's DC during the 70's. We have shown that we can get good DC here at MSU if nothing else.

And that's why one of my biggest beefs with this potential hire is the fact that it was done so quickly. There is no reason for us to rush. The "recruiting impact" excuse is BS to me because we are going to have a guy in place by Feb. for sure. It's not like the guys that we were recruiting were like "Gee, I want to play in a read and react zone defense". There is no reason why we shouldn't take our time with this hire. Especially since the guy who should be one of our top candidates is in a bowl game that is played tommorrow and will be done by Monday.

And since I know that this comment would be banned on the Lake regarding Martinez wanting to get it done so that he would have a job by Christmas- if you really wanted a job by Christmas, maybe you should have coached better.

And as far as this being on Mullen- you are absolutely correct that this is on Mullen.

 

[Todd4State]

a year after they completely ran all over his defense. GT was also driving for the winning score until one of their WR's who was wide *** open dropped a pass on 4th down.

Also, since we don't play GT or any service academies, that doesn't really make me feel much better.

The difference between Diaz and Martinez is that Diaz has proven that he can have a good defense without superior talent. Martinez clearly has not.

 

[msudogsrule01]

I fully believe that Martinez could have had the exact same results as MTSU's DC against that terrible Sun Belt competition.

 

[Todd4State]

I fully believe that Martinez could have had the exact same results as MTSU's DC against that terrible Sun Belt competition.

that Diaz was stopping terrible Sun Belt competition with Sun Belt talent.

I saw MTSU live this year. They didn't exactly have a ton of NFL draft picks on their team.

And I disagree- I don't think Martinez would have done as well as Diaz did with the same talent in the same league. And conversely, I think Georgia would have done a lot better with Diaz.

 

[Nad Nellum]

if that last statement is true. All I'm saying is wait til something is official before you make yourself mad.

 

[tcreb]

asdf

 

[smootness]

msudogsrule, those stats are misleading. First, Georgia's defensive numbers have regressed literally every single year since Martinez has been there. He took over a defense that was annually top 5-15 and has turned them into one that isn't top 25. Second, his scoring defense has consistently been worse than his total defense, and the last two years, it was significantly worse, 64th and 70th. That is atrocious. Tells me they have serious red zone issues. Also, since when is a 30th-ranked defense with top 5 talent a good thing? We have, what, top 30-35 talent, so what in the world would he do with that?

I agree with everyone who has said there is absolutely nothing positive about hiring Martinez. He hasn't done a thing to earn another shot at a DC position right now. He was DC at Central Michigan for one insignificant year, then secondary coach at UGA, then a bad stint as DC at UGA. Man, we want HIM!

 

[Todd4State]

And if it is, I better get a damn good explanation from Dan.

 

[MurrayHewitt]

The problem with UGA's defense the past three years has been the dramatic decline in talent. Rennie Curran is a nice SEC player and historically would have been an avg UGA player but this year he's been the star. Of course the flip side to this is Martinez had a hand assembling this talent.

Friendship or not, the man wasn't on Richt's staff for eight years for blanks and giggles. With Mullen's offensive mindset, how one can question his thought process in selecting a dc is beyond me.

 

[MississippiHeavyMetalDawg]

He's good, but he ain't perfect.

 

[jfs131]

about this Willie Martinez ********. This guy had "good numbers" with a <font size="4">bunch of highly recruited guys, and we're not always going to have talent like Georgia.</font> And yet, this guy has progressively gotten WORSE every year he was at Georgia. Why the hell are we hiring a guy that has gotten worse every year?

First Carl Torbush, and now this piece of ****? Seriously.

And hte biggest thing that bothers me is the rush with which we seem to be making in hiring a DC. I mean, the bowls just started today. Is there something wrong with waiting a whole 30 hours to talk to Diaz at MTSU?

Heck, I would take Heater over this assclown. Hell, I would take Nix or even Cheese over this guy.

After this, and after we fire Martinez next year for sucking, we need to disallow Mullen form making anymore DC hires from now on.

I think our defense has plenty of talent on it right now. Our DBs weren't all highly recruited, but they ended up being pretty good. I would say we have as good of talent at the DB position than UGA if not better. Our D-line has a tremendous amount of talent on it. K.J. and White are both solid LBs. Skinner looks like he should be good. We're recruiting alot of serious talent at DB and DL, AGAIN. Got good LBs coming in. The argument he had more talent at UGA is true early in his career. I think we have as much talent as UGA on defense right now if not more.

Plus a change of scenery is what people need sometimes. Rushing four someone said, that's a hell of alot better than rushing three linemen.

Look I'm not saying Martinez is at the top of my list, but he's going to have plenty of talent to work with. Or whomever we get as a DC. Diaz is at the top of my list.

One think I do like about Martinez, is that he recruits South Florida. I want a roster full of good MS kids as much as anybody, but I want some South Florida kids, just have incredible athletes down there. Maybe some more from Pahokee, get some more McPhees in here?

 

[thatsbaseball]

well what the hell are we worried about then ?</p>

 

[TX Mud Dawg]

And hopefully by next Wednesday we will know about both the DC and Newton. I agree I want Diaz as well and if what they are saying on BDJ is correct we have been in talks with him.

 

[War Machine Dawg]

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[russellwalters]

He did regress at UGA, no denying that. But perhaps he became complacent as a coach. PERHAPS a change of scenery will re-energize him and he'll coach better than he ever has at MSU (if he is in fact hired). He is definitely not even on my list, but I like what GB and CDM have done so far so for right now I will have to trust their decision making. Looks like we will have no choice but to see what he's got. Maybe CDM and GB know something about the guy and his situation at UGA that we don't know, could be that the players didn't trust him, he was handcuffed by Richt. Who knows? But I would like to see the man coach a few games with us before I declare him to be incompetent.

 

[MurrayHewitt]

Richt and Garner are/were just puppets in Athens. Martinez did all the recruiting. Nice reading comprehension skills on you baseball.

Bottom line of my post is, UGA is not any more talented on defense than state.

 

[smootness]

Yes, we definitely want a coach that got complacent within 5 years.

UGA is much more talented on defense than we are, they just didn't get much out of that talent, so it doesn't seem as talented. They have more talent on that defense this year than we will probably ever have, honestly. One guy who played any significant time was below a 4-star recruit; I know some guys don't pan out, but you don't get that many busts. These guys have talent in bushels.

Also, are the people saying to trust Mullen the same ones who had a problem with Torbush? Because Mullen made that hire as well.

 

[jfs131]

Yes, we definitely want a coach that got complacent within 5 years.

UGA is much more talented on defense than we are, they just didn't get much out of that talent, so it doesn't seem as talented. They have more talent on that defense this year than we will probably ever have, honestly. One guy who played any significant time was below a 4-star recruit; I know some guys don't pan out, but you don't get that many busts. These guys have talent in bushels.

Also, are the people saying to trust Mullen the same ones who had a problem with Torbush? Because Mullen made that hire as well.

Obviously UGA has some guys that are more talented than ours, but there's not many guys that are more talented than McPhee, Cox, Boyd, Wright, Banks, Mitchell, Broomfield...that's more than half our D....so our D is at least as talented if not a little more. I'll take those guys over what they have at these positions.

 

[Shmuley]

knows absolutely jack **** about coaching defense. I mean, jack dog **** nothing. Meaning, he has no choice but to hire somebody that can take over an SEC D and completely control it top to bottom. Apparently Mullen is scared to take a flier on a young, aggressive, up and comer with no experience at this level.

 

[jfs131]

smuley Martinez hasn't been named our DC yet.</p>

 

[Todd4State]

He did regress at UGA, no denying that. But perhaps he became complacent as a coach. PERHAPS a change of scenery will re-energize him and he'll coach
better than he ever has at MSU (if he is in fact hired). He is definitely not even on my list, but I like what GB and CDM have done so far so for right now I
will have to trust their decision making. Looks like we will have no choice but to see what he's got. Maybe CDM and GB know something about the guy and his
situation at UGA that we don't know, could be that the players didn't trust him, he was handcuffed by Richt. Who knows? But I would like to see the man
coach a few games with us before I declare him to be incompetent.

Why take the chance? We are now "on the rise" but the fact remains that we are still rebuilding and have been since 2001. A bad defense could royally screw that up aGAIN especially without Dixon to bail us out and a less than desirable QB situation if we don't get Newton.

Yeah, a change of scenery may "re-energize" him, but the odds are that he will still suck. The things I've read about lack of adjustments, and the steady decline tell me that it wasn't an energy problem. If he had one bad season out of six or whatever, I could maybe buy that, but I can't based on the statistics.

And why do people think that Richt would "handcuff" his DC? That's nuts. There is no way on Earth that Richt was telling Martinez to do the same crap over and over and over again. And if Richt did, it's likely that it was because he didn't trust Martinez in the first place, which again doesn't bode well for Willie.

I have seen Willie Martinez coach some games at Georgia. My impression is that he was below average. I know that MSU can do better than this.

 

[Todd4State]

knows absolutely jack **** about coaching defense. I mean, jack dog **** nothing. Meaning, he has no choice but to hire somebody that can take over an SEC D
and completely control it top to bottom. Apparently Mullen is scared to take a flier on a young, aggressive, up and comer with no experience at this level.

Dan is worried about JLD Syndrome. JLD had a huge part in saving Jackie's career at MSU, and was a huge part of our success in the 90's. JLD was not HC material, but Jackie was and they both played off of each others strengths and weaknesses. As a result, a lot of fans revered JLD as much if not more than Jackie- especially with Jackie's boring run behind 6 fat guys offense and throw it up on third down and pray. I think Jackie resented how fans felt towards JLD.

Although, I think with Dan it would be different because Dan has shown that he can put together a good offensive unit, and Dan would get a lot of credit for that. Also, the team is very disciplined under Mullen, and they have shown up to play every game so far, which is again something that you couldn't say about Jackie's teams. And quite frankly why I like Dan better than Jackie so far. I think a new DC that is innovative would take us to new limits, and I think both would get credit, but I think Dan would get the most because of the offensive turnaround and the fact that he is the HC.

 

[ArrowDawg]

.........a "decline in talent," then where does MSU's defense stand witth Martinez as DC?

 

[spacecataz]

But perhaps he became complacent as a coach. PERHAPS a change of scenery will re-energize him and he'll coach better than he ever has at MSU (if he is in fact hired).

That is some bona-fide Genespage material right there, and some of the dumbest **** I have ever read.

I don't want a coach that becomes complacent, and I don't want a coach that needs a change of scenery to "re-energize" him either. There's a reason UGA fans were wanting Martinez gone, and there's no reason to believe that if he comes to MSU we will magically be competent defensively.

 

[ArrowDawg]

.....of being our own worst enemy. Next season should be a successful one based on what we have returning and our schedule. If this is a bad hire, it'll set us back again and we'll never get this program back on track. And it may be Mullen's job on the line, but I'm more concerned about MSU football being on the line. I'm trusting him to make the right call here, and if he doesn't then he's going to lose me and I'm sure a lot of other fans. I hope it never comes to that because I think it's safe to say that we're all sick of losing.

 

[wbc40]

you're not over-analyzing the **** out of things. I highly doubt Mullen has ever pondered "JLD Syndrome."

 

[maroonmania]

based on the personnel we have returning plus another year in Mullen's system BUT I'm not convinced our schedule will be much easier than this year. OOC we drop GT but next year we will have to play at Houston and at this point I'm assuming Keenum will be back. In conference though things get tougher, we replace a team we routinely beat, Vandy, with a team that I can't remember the last time we beat, Georgia. All the other conference foes will be the same as this year. Some will be better some will be worse but all in all our schedule will not give us much relief.

 

[Todd4State]

It's never easy and anyone can beat anyone on any given day.

You have Bama and Florida this year, and then maybe LSU with a bad coach, and then really there's not a lot of difference between the other nine teams. I feel like our QB and schedule killed us as far as going to a bowl.

And as far as next year, we really should go 3-1 non-conference, and I think we beat UK at home. I could upgrade the non-conference schedule to 4-0 if Keenum leaves, but as it is, it is a swing game. But we need to try to find two more wins next year. If Mallet left, we could maybe beat Arkansas at home, but again, I can't count on that at this time. I could see us splitting with Auburn and Georgia, which is something we need to do. And you can never count on anything during the Egg Bowl. Ask the Ole Miss fans sitting in front of me that were talking about what they were going to do in Disney World over the holidays before the bowl game.

 

[Beretta.sixpack]

bump

 

[beyourowndawg]

...if anybody is aware of his defensive coaching abilities, it should be Mullen from their UF OC vs UGA DC matchups.