I don’t know how head coaches do it

Seinfeld

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There were so many wild sequences last night, and I have to admit… I was about ready to dog cuss just about every member of our team at one point or another

- Melendez and Murphy missing critical FTs to ice it in regulation and OT
- of all people, Dia hits two consecutive flat footed 3s to keep OM in the game when we were just about to get back to double digits in the 2nd half
- Cam throwing a baseball pass out of bounds with 1:20 to go in regulation
- Kugel decides that a step back, contested 27 footer was our best shot at the end of regulation
- Goal tending call after a missed FT that then ends up getting reversed a couple minutes later
- Cam turns the ball over again in OT on an inbounds play
- Hubbard can’t throw it in the ocean, but Melendez saves the game with a chase down block
- Sean Jones, with the WTF play of the decade with his intentional foul to end the game

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Cam was very loose with the ball yesterday. Maybe they all felt the pressure. Jans said himself he felt it was a must-win. Plus the crowd was electric.
 
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Cam was very loose with the ball yesterday. Maybe they all felt the pressure. Jans said himself he felt it was a must-win. Plus the crowd was electric.


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That foul by Jones has got to be the dumbest foul ever committed in the history of basketball. Up five with 5 seconds left, just let the guy go by for the layup. But even if you foul, you’re still up five and they’re shooting free throws. But no, commit a flagrant foul so they get two free throws plus the ball. Literally the only thing we could do that would give them a chance and we did it.
 

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I still think the missed FT was out of the cylinder, tapped back for a would-be-2-pointer, and then goal-tended. i.e. The original review got it right.
The announcers confused matters by saying the review was to see if Murphy touched it...if it was, and the ruling was he didn't, they would've just given us one point.

Ergo, they kept reviewing a play after the refs had made the final call with a full review process. That means someone with review access kept going, and then convinced the refs to look again later. I'm going to chalk this up once more to there is someone in the SEC replay office who either hates State or is very, very bad at their job and we keep getting impacted.
 
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There were so many wild sequences last night, and I have to admit… I was about ready to dog cuss just about every member of our team at one point or another

- Melendez and Murphy missing critical FTs to ice it in regulation and OT
- of all people, Dia hits two consecutive flat footed 3s to keep OM in the game when we were just about to get back to double digits in the 2nd half
- Cam throwing a baseball pass out of bounds with 1:20 to go in regulation
- Kugel decides that a step back, contested 27 footer was our best shot at the end of regulation
- Goal tending call after a missed FT that then ends up getting reversed a couple minutes later
- Cam turns the ball over again in OT on an inbounds play
- Hubbard can’t throw it in the ocean, but Melendez saves the game with a chase down block
- Sean Jones, with the WTF play of the decade with his intentional foul to end the game

What did I miss?
Dia hitting those 3's is normal. That's part of his game.
 

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Coaching youth ball is bad enough for me. But that’s why they get paid millions. You do all this preparation, but you’re judged on a select few nights. Crazy stuff.
 

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I thought Jans was going to use a TO when they tied it at the end of regulation. One never knows what is best, but I am sure he thought we would get a better shot than what we took. I do not see how either coach got much sleep after that game!
 

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There were so many wild sequences last night, and I have to admit… I was about ready to dog cuss just about every member of our team at one point or another

- Melendez and Murphy missing critical FTs to ice it in regulation and OT
- of all people, Dia hits two consecutive flat footed 3s to keep OM in the game when we were just about to get back to double digits in the 2nd half
- Cam throwing a baseball pass out of bounds with 1:20 to go in regulation
- Kugel decides that a step back, contested 27 footer was our best shot at the end of regulation
- Goal tending call after a missed FT that then ends up getting reversed a couple minutes later
- Cam turns the ball over again in OT on an inbounds play
- Hubbard can’t throw it in the ocean, but Melendez saves the game with a chase down block
- Sean Jones, with the WTF play of the decade with his intentional foul to end the game

What did I miss?
Coaching is the fun part. I couldn't deal with the portal & NIL BS. Recruiting is hard enough.
 

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I’m fine with goaltending being reversed if it’s the right call but doing it that much later really seems bad. I think playing down the stretch with a 4 pt lead mentally seems a lot different than with a 2 point lead. No reason they couldn’t have reviewed it immediately since play stopped.

Also did anyone figure out why we didn’t play Claudell down the stretch ?
 
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Seinfeld

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I’m fine with goaltending being reversed if it’s the right call but doing it that much later really seems bad. I think playing down the stretch with a 4 pt lead mentally seems a lot different than with a 2 point lead. No reason they couldn’t have reviewed it immediately since play stopped.

Also did anyone figure out why we didn’t play Claudell down the stretch ?
Agreed, imagine a football team having a 2 pt lead late in the game, and then all of a sudden during a time out with a couple minutes left, the refs turn on the mic to say… oh, sorry. That FG that we counted good ten minutes ago actually missed wide left. Sorry
 

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Agreed, imagine a football team having a 2 pt lead late in the game, and then all of a sudden during a time out with a couple minutes left, the refs turn on the mic to say… oh, sorry. That FG that we counted good ten minutes ago actually missed wide left. Sorry
The officiating and the repeated long reviews were a joke. Especially changing the score a couple of minutes after the play. It took an hour to play 12 minutes of basketball Saturday. That's a big problem. There have to be some limits and parameters to review. I like only review calls that are challenged by a coach, if you challenge and the call stands, you lose a time out. Coaches will quickly figure out which calls need to be reviewed and which ones don't.
 

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I still think the missed FT was out of the cylinder, tapped back for a would-be-2-pointer, and then goal-tended. i.e. The original review got it right.
The announcers confused matters by saying the review was to see if Murphy touched it...if it was, and the ruling was he didn't, they would've just given us one point.

Ergo, they kept reviewing a play after the refs had made the final call with a full review process. That means someone with review access kept going, and then convinced the refs to look again later. I'm going to chalk this up once more to there is someone in the SEC replay office who either hates State or is very, very bad at their job and we keep getting impacted.

Previous plays are reviewed at the next commercial break timeout all the time. Its part of the rules of college basketball. The most common correction is whether a basket was a 2 or a 3 based on a shot from behind(or on) the arc.

Not ideal during a close game where 1 or 2 points can change the outcome, but I am just posting this to clarify that it wasnt reviewed during the break simply because someone hates MSU.
And I will say that it isnt very common for a play to be reviewed and then further reviewed later. Usually its just a play is accepted as is(basket worth whatever the ref thinks at the time) and then reviewed during break.
 

Seinfeld

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Dia hitting those 3's is normal. That's part of his game.
I hear you, he's not Shaq. But we're talking about a 29% shooter from deep that had made two consecutive 3s just twice all season up to that point.

I guess it wasn't so much that he made them for me as it was the absolute ice water in his veins to do it on the road while we were in the middle of a run and a stop away from stretching things back out to double digits. Those were some cold blooded shots
 

Seinfeld

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Previous plays are reviewed at the next commercial break timeout all the time. Its part of the rules of college basketball. The most common correction is whether a basket was a 2 or a 3 based on a shot from behind(or on) the arc.

Not ideal during a close game where 1 or 2 points can change the outcome, but I am just posting this to clarify that it wasnt reviewed during the break simply because someone hates MSU.
And I will say that it isnt very common for a play to be reviewed and then further reviewed later. Usually its just a play is accepted as is(basket worth whatever the ref thinks at the time) and then reviewed during break.
The other thing that made it a little strange was the fact that it was worth 2 pts. If Murphy had never touched the ball, then the goal tend call should've been worth just 1 pt, so the only explanation that I can come up with is that the refs did recognize that Murphy touched it, but didn't consider it to be over the basket. Therefore, it was a legal tipped ball for 2 pts that was then goal tended by OM.

I don't know. It was just odd for them to initially concede that Murphy tipped it, rule that his tip was not a goal tend, but then come back a few minutes later and say that it actually was a goal tend. I could understand if they didn't initially realize that Murphy touched it at all, but I think the whole sequence was the first time that I can say I've seen anything quite like that.
 
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