I know that there is alot of animosity toward Raffo...

Faustdog

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and I would really rather go in another direction. But, I think most level-headed people realize the things Polk did for us, and despite the disappointments of his second tenure, he is still widely respected. We know what his wishes are.

That leads me to this. What if we were to offer Tommy Raffo a one or even two year contract. That could be a possible compromise that wouldn't be the end of the world. His performance in all facets of the game would be evaluated at the end of his contract. We don't know that Tommy Raffo would be a bad coach. I've heard from a few baseball guys that he has a much more aggressive philosophy than Polk. Would a short term contract with Raffo with any possible extension based on performance be acceptable?
 

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could it possibly work out for us...yes.

edit to say: we shouldn't be looking to have something "work out" for us though. we should be trying to hire proven head coaches and not hoping for the best.
 

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Faustdog said:
and I would really rather go in another direction. But, I think most level-headed people realize the things Polk did for us, and despite the disappointments of
his second tenure, he is still widely respected. We know what his wishes are.

That leads me to this. What if we were to offer Tommy Raffo a one or even two year contract. That could be a possible compromise that wouldn't be the end
of the world. His performance in all facets of the game would be evaluated at the end of his contract. We don't know that Tommy Raffo would be a bad coach.
I've heard from a few baseball guys that he has a much more aggressive philosophy than Polk. Would a short term contract with Raffo with any possible
extension based on performance be acceptable?

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I'm not here to trash anyone's opinions but what evidence is there that Raffo "has a much more aggressive philosophy than Polk." I've heard that before but when has Raffo proved to be more aggressive? That's one of the knocks against him...inexperience leading a major college program. 1 or 2 year contract? Are you kidding me? Who does that? Schools would kill us in recruiting if we did that.

After watching today's game, I'm convinced we need a total program enema. Clean it down to the knapp. Today we looked like a bunch of monkeys humping a baseball. We need a whole new attitude, a new outlook. Clean house.
 

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Is there any doubt that if LT were still the AD, Raffo would be named tomorrow? I bet both my nuts against his one, that would be the case. It still may be. If so Byrne is just more of the same.
 

Faustdog

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I'm not here to trash anyone's opinions but what evidence is there that Raffo "has a much more aggressive philosophy than Polk." I've heard that before but when has Raffo proved to be more aggressive? That's one of the knocks against him...inexperience leading a major college program. 1 or 2 year contract? Are you kidding me? Who does that? Schools would kill us in recruiting if we did that.
I'm not saying there is any hard evidence. The part about Raffo being more aggressive is based on what I've been told by two people. One is a coach at a D-1 college. The other is from a guy who's involved in a summer baseball league that many SEC players have gone through. It could be ********.

And if Raffo is a quality recruiter, he can overcome contract concerns. Coaches who are good recruiters have excellent recruiting classes all the time when they are on the hotseat. See Ron Zook, or the Orgeron.

Once again, I'm not advocating this. I just don't think it would be the end of the world. I want Cohen.
 

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....would have been named head coach yesterday, not tomorrow.

In all seriousness, if Byrne hires Raffo at this point he'll look like a *****. No matter his explanation, no matter what's stipulated in the contract, it'll look he's just giving in to Polk. He'll be labeled "LT jr.," and rightfully so. It would take an amazing turnaround by Raffo in '09(at least host a regional) for Byrne to save face and earn back his credibility.
 

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No, that's not acceptable.

First of all, people would wonder what in the hell are these people doing? Either hire the guy or don't. And yeah, it would be used against us in recruiting.

Secondly, in college baseball, two seasons are kind of unfair, you really need three.

Then you have the fact that he is inexperienced. He has never filled out a lineup card (to my knowledge), made a pitching change, nor do we know how he will handle the pitching staff, and would he keep McNickle around? McNickle is as much to blame for this mess as anyone, and he should be shown the door regardless. Saying he is more aggressive than Polk isn't exactly going out on a limb.

Another thing- he hasn't exactly set the world on fire as an assistant. He hasn't necessarily been bad, but he hasn't shown me that he is exactly innovative either. Yes, Polk may have hamstrung him in this case, but you would think that if Polk thought he was so good that he would let him do his thing.

Also, his failure as a recruiter is VERY concerning to me. He needs to be much more aggressive in this area for us to go where we want to.

Next, his personality is not what we need right now. Our players need someone to kick them ***. Raffo is not going to do that. Our team is soft, and they're very apathetic towards winning. Our whole team attitude needs to change.

Lastly, the fans would not support him. (Except for KB21 of course). I was at the game today, and I got the impression that most of the fans there were only putting up with what was going on because it was Polk. If it wasn't Polk, I'm not sure that they would be so forgiving. Unfortunately for Raffo, keeping him on board says to our fans that we're happy with what we've got, and that's just not acceptable for most people. He would probably have to take us to Omaha both years of his proposed contract and host Regionals at the very least just to win over some of the fans.

I think the best thing that he could do for himself is to withdraw his name from consideration and hope that he can convince the next coach to keep him as an assistant or with the program in some capacity, because as it stands, hiring another HC and trying to keep him on board is a big time conflict of interests that a new coach that is going to be trying to recbuild our team doesn't need. And even withdrawing his name only gives about a 5% chance of staying.

Personally, if I were Raffo, I would just try to find a HC job somewhere like North Alabama and try to build my resume.

You could also argue that people like Cohen and Steve Smith are more deserving than Raffo because both took jobs and got the necessary experience to prepare themselves to be a HC at a place like MSU.
 

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the HC after the Ole Miss series when Polk retired.

We also probably would have had some gay passing the torch ceremony to Raffo today as well.

I can almost hear it now- Coach Polk has recommended Tommy Raffo be our next HC and we are going to do this out of respect for Coach Polk. (Vomit)</p>
 

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"And if Raffo is a quality recruiter, he can overcome contract concerns. Coaches who are good recruiters have excellent recruiting classes all the time when they are on the hotseat. See Ron Zook, or the Orgeron. "

What exactly has shown you that Raffo is a quality recruiter? Since Polk's return:

1. How many college player of the year's have we had?
2. How many 1st round draft picks?
3. How many West titles?
4. How many guys have led the SEC in hitting?
5. How many SEC leaders in ERA? Wins?
 

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MSU baseball is at that proverbial crossroads. We need to make the sweeping change now or we risk becoming a total has been. Giving the job to Raffo "could" work out but we don't need another unproven head coach learning on the job needing 4 years to get his first winning season. LSU is building the new stadium and has the coach to put them back on the map. SC is building, if we don't take Cohen, UK is building. Plus AU has the facilities and is hiring. We need to go get the proven head coach now and right this ship before it becomes a permanent cellar dweller..
 

thatsbaseball

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and anyone who worked under a legend in the same conference with the attributes some are giving Raffo will surely get a look . Right ? Hide and watch. I truly hope Raffo becomes a head coach someday and hope he`s very successful at it but he ain`t what we need right now.
 
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And I think everyone on here would agree, this job should be treated as one of College Baseballs' most elite jobs. We are MSU baseball and it is due to the job that Polk did in his first tenure. All that aside, we need someone proven as a head coach. Anything less is an absolute slap in the face to our program. We are better than that. MSU is not and probably never will be a "Major Football" school. But damnit, baseball is and it needs to be treated that way...Raffo....no, sorry bud.

$500k is chump change for the Cigar Boys....fork up the <17>ing money and lets get someone in here to turn this around...
 

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First of all, you can't hire a coach with a 2-year contract. You've got to commit to whoever you hire. It's going to take more than 2 years to get this program competitive again. It's in the worst shape it's been in since Polk took over in 1977 and the new coach, whoever he is, won't even be able to bring any of his own players into the program until the 2010 season (2009 recruiting is finished). I'd a lot rather be in the position of hiring a new coach with coming off of 1 bad season than hiring one coming off of 3 bad seasons.
 
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