I suppose Tyler Russell blew the whole....

[DowntownDawg]

..."Croom's offense will keep us from getting good offensive players" argument straight to hell.

May it rest in peace.

Funny, I haven't seen all the sarcastic "Yeah, and our offense doesn't make any difference" posters commenting about Tyler Russell.

 

[DowntownDawg]

..."Croom's offense will keep us from getting good offensive players" argument straight to hell.

May it rest in peace.

Funny, I haven't seen all the sarcastic "Yeah, and our offense doesn't make any difference" posters commenting about Tyler Russell.

 

[saddawg]

got him yet, Mr. High Expectations. Let's see if we can keep him and bring in some WRs first before getting all giddy.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....but it was just as premature for you and others to gripe that our offense was chasing good players away. Nothing matters until February anyway, but there's a pretty large double standard when all you guys fill this board up with junk about how we can't get any good players when one decommits, and then, when a player that, by most objective accounts is as good or better at the same position as the departing player commits........silence. Very nice.

 

[thunderclap]

Maybe it's a start. Maybe. Sign four more offensive playmakers in this class and we'll talk.

 

[rebelrouseri]

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[FlabLoser]

I hope this guy gets other offers and sticks with us. And I hope he helps croom recruit some WRs. Nothing would help our WR recruiting more than a high profile QB commit that actively helps reel people in.

 

[saddawg]

Our offense does suck, and it will keep us from consistently getting gamebreakers here. This is supposedly the best crop of MS QB's in one class in years. Reminds me of the Campbell, Jordan, Plump class, of which State signed all 3. Plump turned out to maybe be the best of the bunch, although that ain't saying much. I do like Russell better than Garrett because I think he can run for his life better. Think about this, since Rockey Felker, State has never been to a bowl with out a mobile QB. Felker, Bond, Sleepy, Plump, Taite, Madkin, and Carroll. I still say running the spread option would make us better offensively, and be easier to recruit to.

 

[BriantheDawg]

but his ******** that gave his friend a 37.5% raise after 4 years of complete offensive ineptness begs to differ. If he was just somewhat willing to bend on this dumbass offense, it would be a selling tool he could use to lure a few good wr's and qb's to come here. Russell committed, yes, but it takes a lot more than one or 2 good signees/year to get to the next level and trust me, our unwillingness to at least change OC's is being used against us in recruiting. And yes, I think our offense does chase off a lot of good recruits. If you were a skilled receiver or qb and had no ties to MSU, didn't grow up bleeding maron and whit, would you really want to come play in the offense?

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

that said, I still think he's better than Garrett.

 

[Todd4State]

defense didn't keep us from getting good defensive recruits.

Recruits can look at it one of two ways- they suck and I don't want any part of that or they suck, but I can probably come in and play right away.</p>

 

[Jackdragbean]

It's much easier to have a break down over the recruitment of a highschool kid than it is to get happy about it. Recruiting doesn't light me on fire either way, but the reactions from people about it, leads to some damn hilarious threads. I could have sworn that Armageddon had started last week from the crap that spewed over Garrett.

Now, we have a kid committed that has been touted to be possibly better than Garrett and no one really bats an eye. It's starting to look like just another reason to *****. I think alot of folks here have gotten into a gear where they would rather ***** about MSU athletics than to look like a sheep by commenting on something good. I've been reading this board for a few years now, and the best thing to do is be thick skinned if you post, know that some people love to *****, that rumors stated here are often true no matter how absurd they sound to begin with, and if something good is stated regarding one of the programs, people will either go nuts over it or it'll make its way down the page fast (moods are day to day). Don't sweat it. I'm sure many people are happy about it, they're just waiting for someone to crap in their cornflakes.

 

[Duane Chapman]

running the spread option would make us better offensively, and be easier to recruit to.

No doubt. With the type and caliber of athletes we can expect to sign on a consistent basis, there's not an offense better suited for us.

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[Agentdog]

On this board, when Garrett committed, he was overrated. Then when the other offers came in, it was a weekly reminder he was going to decommit and top reasons why he should. Then when the overrated recruit decommits, Croom and company suck.

The black sheep will tow the line again with Russell. Supposedly, he will suck because of no offers. Then the more offers come in.......repeat above cycle. If he signs, then (insert SEC team here) never really wanted him.

 

[Coach34]

hard to get too excited. I'm not going to get excited about any committments until January when they have had the chance to visit campus and watch our high powered offense

 

[DowntownDawg]

...who is Campbell? Don't remember him.

And back on topic, I don't have a problem agreeing to disagree, because I feel strongly that no matter what offense we run, if LSU or Alabama comes calling, we'll struggle to hang on to the kid, unless he's pretty freaking tough, wants earlier playing time, or is not impressed by the bright lights. Now, if you want to argue that the reason we haven't been better in the past 10-15 years is primarily because of a lack of offense, and that that offense has kept us from becoming a championship program at times, I'll agree with that. I just think scheme is of relatively low importance compared to tradition, facilities, fan support, tv exposure when it comes to these 17 and 18 year olds making a decision.

 

[DowntownDawg]

..and if I were a skilled receiver or qb and had no ties to MSU, I would want to go to MSU in the following situations: 1) If they were my best offer, 2) If earlier playing time/less competition at my position was available at MSU vs. a bigger school 3) If I felt more comfortable with the coaching staff/campus/people than anywhere else. 4) If I liked the idea of being a key contributor in the challenge of building a historically lacking program into a much better one vs. just being another skill player at LSU/Florida, etc. (big fish in a little pond, etc.)

I would not choose MSU if: 1) I had better offers, and the prospect of playing for a bigger school outweighed my comfort level with MSU coaching staff/campus/people to me 2) I would rather be a smaller contributor and possibly win multiple championships than be a bigger contributor and possibly not win a championship 3) I felt like exposure at a bigger school would get me a better chance to play in the NFL one day.

It all depends on what your motivating factors are.

 

[Stormrider81]

how overboard everyone went last week. It didn't surprise me at all. Come to MSU, the QB graveyard of the SEC, or go to LSU who just won a national title and had a #1 pick QB a year ago. Hmmm, seems like a tough decision to me. Historically speaking is there a worse SEC program to play QB for than MSU?

People were so quick to blame that on Croom's offense when I think things like the national title, exposure, Jamarcus' draft position, state of the program, location and surrounding areas all came before offense. Our offense sucks, which I mostly blame on our playcalling. But we were able to get a commitment out of Garrett with that same offense, just as we are now able to get one out of Russell. Seems like the big things hindering our efforts are the fact that we can't compete with programs like LSU on many other levels. Also, as has been pointed out on here multiple times, we haven't focused our efforts on certain positions from time to time. Some years we won't really try to sign a RB or a QB or a WR and say "next year we'll sign 3-4."

Let me add one more thing: recruiting is an up and down thing. Don't live and die by following the ins and outs of recruiting. Losing your mind on Signing Day is one thing, losing it in late March or early April is quite another.</p>

 

[saddawg]

Tyrone "Handy" Campbell. QB from Greenwood with all the tools. Had a book written about him called " A Confederacy of Silence". Signed with State , Rocky released him from his Scholly during 2 a days and he headed off to Ole Miss. According to the book he was paid to transfer. I still think Rocky was an idiot for releasing him.(Melvin Smith had some interesting things to say in the book). Quit Ole Miss and was later charged with murder. Last accounts were of him slinging Rock in the 'jects of Greenwood. No idea where he is now. The books gets a couple of facts wrong but if you are from MS you will know at least 3 people in the book. Funny how small a this state is.

 

[greystreet81]

that the reason Russell has no other offers is because there is little chance that he qualifies? Does anyone know about his academic standing? I hope this isn't the case, but I wonder.

 

[dudehead]

that the reason Russell has no other offers is because there is little chance that he qualifies? Does anyone know about his academic standing? I hope this isn't the case, but I wonder.

Academics are not an issue with Tyler - he is a good student and will easily qualify if he has not done so already.
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[sixpackmafia]

On this board, when Garrett committed, he was overrated. Then when the other offers came in, it was a weekly reminder he was going to decommit and top reasons why he should. Then when the overrated recruit decommits, Croom and company suck.

The black sheep will tow the line again with Russell. Supposedly, he will suck because of no offers. Then the more offers come in.......repeat above cycle. If he signs, then (insert SEC team here) never really wanted him.

what a douche bag.....little bo peep.....when garrett committed he WAS overrated compared to other qbs getting the press he is.....still, he was the highest profile qb we have had commit to us in a long time....when he decommits, Croom and company suck just as bad, if not worse, as they did before he committed....

Russell has offers from Bama, Auburn, and UGA....and he is a man of his word committing to State.....

dude, people like you keep our athletic program in the bottom of everything......these guys are paid a ton of money, the more money you make, the more you expect...and losing to your competition (Garrett to MSU to LSU)....is a loss....and you are not paid a MILLION DOLLARS to lose....

eat **** douche bag and go back to gene and the rest of the losers that bring our program from winning

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[ArrowDawg]

......a lunatic you're looking for. My angle on all this is that we do get a player like Russell once in a while, although he still has no other offers or a high star rating, but they are few and far between. Now whether or not that has more to do more with our lousy offense, or the LSU's of the world that steal them away, I can't say. It's probably both, with a lean toward the prestige element.

All I can say, albeit pessimistically, is that it may not matter if we had gotten Garrett or if we hold on to Russell. We're still in DIRE need of legit receiver depth, and we still have maybe the worst offensive coaches in America. Getting more talent like Russell is nice, but he may just end up being ruined by our coaching staff.

 

[Shmuley]

but the Meridian Star quote where he said he wanted to commit early and get the pressure off so he could "concentrate on his academics" was somewhat of a red flag. Jus sayin.

 

[patdog]

because that's important to him and he wants to do better than just enough to get by.

 

[MTNDawg.sixpack]

Rivals has him listed at a 3.3 GPA, I know that isn't anything special for high school but it wouldn't be considered a liability. Who knows when that was last updated though.

 

[Shmuley]

But you'll have to forgive me when I hear a Mississippi recruit say, "I want to concentrate on my academics" for thinking FIRST that the lunkhead might not qualify. I mean, we are talking about the Mississippi public school system here.

But I am open-minded enough to accept that Russell might be the exception to the rule.

 

[dudehead]

All I can tell you is that I'm very confident he will qualify and that he will sign with MSU even when Saban, et al., come calling.