I think it's safe to label Greg Byrne as embattled now...

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Faced with the quagmire of Saban's twilight years, a star basketball player closely connected to a murder, a baseball coach probably throwing games.

2023 off to a rocky start eh, Greg? Oh well.. could've stayed here and we'd have half your statue up by now.
 

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Faced with the quagmire of Saban's twilight years, a star basketball player closely connected to a murder, a baseball coach probably throwing games.

2023 off to a rocky start eh, Greg? Oh well.. could've stayed here and we'd have half your statue up by now.
His biggest problem is in Athens. That’s all his employers care about.
 

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Faced with the quagmire of Saban's twilight years, a star basketball player closely connected to a murder, a baseball coach probably throwing games.

2023 off to a rocky start eh, Greg? Oh well.. could've stayed here and we'd have half your statue up by now.
He has a top 3 FB a program, a top 15 hoops program and is about to have a better baseball coach than we do. Unfortunately he is doing ok.
 

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Sadly all of this ultimately reflects on the AD. Multiple sports with highly unusual issues. Total lack of control or awareness, no one at the helm is what it looks like over there. Just a circus.

Honestly it is making some of the Auburn dysfunction look like it's not that bad, and I never thought I would see that day at Bama.
 
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He has a top 3 FB a program, a top 15 hoops program and is about to have a better baseball coach than we do. Unfortunately he is doing ok.
Can always count on somebody to try and be 6pack cool and come in and argue a point like this. Bama's AD was great when Byrne got there. Now it's mired in scandal and the sunsetting career of a legendary coach. It isn't hard to see this.
 

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Can always count on somebody to try and be 6pack cool and come in and argue a point like this. Bama's AD was great when Byrne got there. Now it's mired in scandal and the sunsetting career of a legendary coach. It isn't hard to see
Bamas basketball program was not good until Byrne hire Oats. The FB program (all they care about) is still great. Thats all anyone at Bama cares about. They dont give a rip about baseball or the coach. And they definitely didn’t care a star player provided a gun to a murdered. But they will definitely have a better coach than us soon. Hell maybe our coach is gambling on baseball.
 

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Faced with the quagmire of Saban's twilight years, a star basketball player closely connected to a murder, a baseball coach probably throwing games.

2023 off to a rocky start eh, Greg? Oh well.. could've stayed here and we'd have half your statue up by now.
I don't hold leaving for another job against him. He was brought in to do a job and did it very well. Stricklin, however, can get ******.
 

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He has a top 3 FB a program, a top 15 hoops program and is about to have a better baseball coach than we do. Unfortunately he is doing ok.
Bama Hoops had a really good season. They are not a top 15 hoops program. In fact, they would probably need to repeat the previous season about 10 more times over the next 15 years to be in that conversation.
 

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I don't hold leaving for another job against him. He was brought in to do a job and did it very well. Stricklin, however, can get ******.
I don't think anybody is mad at him. But I can laugh when those 'better' jobs don't end up so much better.

I thoroughly enjoyed Mullen's demise at Florida. He's already rich, so it's not like his livelihood is in jeopardy. And maybe, just maybe, the next coach that thinks about jumping ship won't be so quick to do so.
 

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I don't think anybody is mad at him. But I can laugh when those 'better' jobs don't end up so much better.

I thoroughly enjoyed Mullen's demise at Florida. He's already rich, so it's not like his livelihood is in jeopardy. And maybe, just maybe, the next coach that thinks about jumping ship won't be so quick to do so.
I think it's funny how many folks here knew Mullen at Florida was going to be a shitshow. The recruiting disparity alone wasn't going to cut it there. Florida fans didn't want to listen and right now they're feeling the repercussions.
 

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I think it's funny how many folks here knew Mullen at Florida was going to be a shitshow. The recruiting disparity alone wasn't going to cut it there. Florida fans didn't want to listen and right now they're feeling the repercussions.
Yep and he was the perfect coach for us. He had a great recruiting strategy for here, and he could also get away with just being a small time head coach and called plays.

However at Florida, we all knew he was going to have to transition into better recruiter (which I thought he could possibly do with the Florida brand) and well as delegate the play calling and such. I'm sure Florida demands much more time. He didn't though, took his same small-time thinking mindset down there. And he should have known better, it's not like he hadn't already seen Urban's blueprint that had actually worked.
 
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I think it's funny how many folks here knew Mullen at Florida was going to be a shitshow. The recruiting disparity alone wasn't going to cut it there. Florida fans didn't want to listen and right now they're feeling the repercussions.
I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but I was absolutely on record stating that Mullen taking the Florida job was a stupid move on his part. 8-4 at MSU eventually gets you a statue, but 8-4 at Florida gets you fired.
 
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I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but I was absolutely on record stating that Mullen taking the Florida job was a stupid move on his part. 8-4 at MSU eventually gets you a statue, but 8-4 at Florida gets you fired.
No sarcasm. I, along with yourself and many others, laughed at the notion that he would enjoy any sort of long-term success there and knew he was very likely going to be gone within 3-4 years and we were all proven right.
 
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Bamas basketball program was not good until Byrne hire Oats. The FB program (all they care about) is still great. Thats all anyone at Bama cares about. They dont give a rip about baseball or the coach. And they definitely didn’t care a star player provided a gun to a murdered. But they will definitely have a better coach than us soon. Hell maybe our coach is gambling on baseball.
The local Bama fans I know (which is virtually everybody I know) got very interested in basketball when they were ranked #1 for a while, and to a man defended Oats' handling of the Miller affair. When they got eliminated in the Sweet 16 I never heard another word from them.
 

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Bama Hoops had a really good season. They are not a top 15 hoops program. In fact, they would probably need to repeat the previous season about 10 more times over the next 15 years to be in that conversation.
They sure seem like a top 15 program right now.
3 NCAAT appearances in the last 3 seasons
2 Sweet 16 appearances in the last 3 seasons
finished 1st in the league twice in the last 3 seasons
2 SEC Tournament Championships in the last 3 seasons
2 top 5 end of regular season rankings in the last 3 seasons
A 1 seed, a 2 seed, and a 6 seed in the last 3 seasons


Sure, it could all go to hell soon, but I think Bama has clearly been a top15 program over these last 3 seasons.
 
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The local Bama fans I know (which is virtually everybody I know) got very interested in basketball when they were ranked #1 for a while, and to a man defended Oats' handling of the Miller affair. When they got eliminated in the Sweet 16 I never heard another word from them.
If you can find an Alabama fan that actually went to school there, they are generally pretty decent fans and act ok. However, the typical every day Alabama sidewalk fans are mostly just redneck trash and act accordingly. There are occasionally fans that don’t follow this pattern, but not many. My Dad was in Shriners and they worked State home football games for a number of years serving as ushers as a fund raising activity. He always told me that they had more trouble with the Alabama fans than they had with everyone else combined. This would have even mostly during the 1980’s and I think my Dad served for about 10 years.
 
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They sure seem like a top 15 program right now.
3 NCAAT appearances in the last 3 seasons
2 Sweet 16 appearances in the last 3 seasons
finished 1st in the league twice in the last 3 seasons
2 SEC Tournament Championships in the last 3 seasons
2 top 5 end of regular season rankings in the last 3 seasons
A 1 seed, a 2 seed, and a 6 seed in the last 3 seasons


Sure, it could all go to hell soon, but I think Bama has clearly been a top15 program over these last 3 seasons.
Fair enough. When I hear the term 'program', I tend to think of things in longer than 3 year terms. If Bama can sustain that sort of success for 10+ years, then I think we get to start talking about them as a top 'program'. Right now, I just think they're on a good run.

For example, Mississippi State baseball has been pretty mediocre for 2 seasons, but I think this is still a premiere program nationally.

When I think of the Top 15 NCAA Men's Basketball programs, I think of the following (In no specific order):
Duke
North Carolina
Kansas
Indiana
Kentucky
UCLA
UConn
Villanova
Louisville
Michigan State
Cincinnati
Ohio State
Houston
Arizona
and maybe Georgetown or Syracuse

I think there are quite a few more before in between Alabama and those teams on a program level.

If you look at all of those teams, they've all had some form of recent success plus decades of history to back it up. I feel like you need an elite 8 appearance in the past 20 years and at least 1 Final Four appearance (ever) before you start talking Top 15 program.
 
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Fair enough. When I hear the term 'program', I tend to think of things in longer than 3 year terms. If Bama can sustain that sort of success for 10+ years, then I think we get to start talking about them as a top 'program'. Right now, I just think they're on a good run.

For example, Mississippi State baseball has been pretty mediocre 2 seasons, but I think this is still a premiere program nationally.

When I think of the Top 15 NCAA Men's Basketball programs, I think of the following (In no specific order):
Duke
North Carolina
Kansas
Indiana
Kentucky
UCLA
UConn
Villanova
Louisville
Michigan State
Cincinnati
Ohio State
Houston
Arizona
and maybe Georgetown or Syracuse

I think there are quite a few more before in between Alabama and those teams on a program level.

If you look at all of those teams, they've all had some form of recent success plus decades of history to back it up. I feel like you need an elite 8 appearance in the past 20 years and at least 1 Final Four appearance (ever) before you start talking Top 15 program.


You have to give them a couple of years they just figured out the ball you bounce instead of being kicked, carried, or thrown. They still have not figured out how to deal with that pesky ball that you pitch, catch with a glove, or hit with a bat.
 
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Fair enough. When I hear the term 'program', I tend to think of things in longer than 3 year terms. If Bama can sustain that sort of success for 10+ years, then I think we get to start talking about them as a top 'program'. Right now, I just think they're on a good run.

For example, Mississippi State baseball has been pretty mediocre 2 seasons, but I think this is still a premiere program nationally.

When I think of the Top 15 NCAA Men's Basketball programs, I think of the following (In no specific order):
Duke
North Carolina
Kansas
Indiana
Kentucky
UCLA
UConn
Villanova
Louisville
Michigan State
Cincinnati
Ohio State
Houston
Arizona
and maybe Georgetown or Syracuse

I think there are quite a few more before in between Alabama and those teams on a program level.

If you look at all of those teams, they've all had some form of recent success plus decades of history to back it up. I feel like you need an elite 8 appearance in the past 20 years and at least 1 Final Four appearance (ever) before you start talking Top 15 program.
Yeah, that is definitely another way that I consider someone to be a top 15 program, so I agree. UNC was trash this season, but last season they played for the championship. There is more to being a topX program than just recent results.


This is like the discussion after UCONN won the championship last month- I really dont think of them as a blue blood and thats mostly because they were relatively lost in the last decade except for a couple sudden great seasons, but if you look over the last 25 years, they are right up there in success with almost anyone else.

There is more than one way to view a 'top' team list. For yours, I would drop Indiana because they have at best been an afterthought for 2 decades, and have mostly not even been a thought. And Georgetown would be removed because I dont see them as relevant in nearly 20 years, but especially since Ewing's 6 recent seasons gave them an overall winning % of only 40% and they were 13-50 these last two seasons.
I may give too much weight to recency.


Cool talk regardless.
 
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Sadly all of this ultimately reflects on the AD. Multiple sports with highly unusual issues. Total lack of control or awareness, no one at the helm is what it looks like over there. Just a circus.

Honestly it is making some of the Auburn dysfunction look like it's not that bad, and I never thought I would see that day at Bama.
Give Freeze time
 
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The HBO undercover documentary Bama Rush should give the Tide some much needed good publicity 🤣

Recorded undercover in the fall semester of 2022, Bama Rush follows four young women trying to make their way during the sorority recruitment at the University of Alabama.

 

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Faced with the quagmire of Saban's twilight years, a star basketball player closely connected to a murder, a baseball coach probably throwing games.

2023 off to a rocky start eh, Greg? Oh well.. could've stayed here and we'd have half your statue up by now.
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He’s had scandals at every school. State - Renardo Sidney. Arizona - shoe agent scandal. Now all of this with Bama.
 

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New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Kansas and Indiana have halted all betting on Alabama and voided any future bets. The Ohio Casino Control Commission told AL.com it’s been in contact with the NCAA. They had a tough time even getting in touch with them, but they want the death penalty.
 
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