I think we were chicken little'd by Ellis on the scrimmage...

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...after further review, this may have been the best first scrimmage of the Croom era (not saying much). Top 2 quarterbacks completed 60% of their passes. Sure, it would've been nice to see some touchdowns, but this is a vast improvement over what we've seen in the past. Remember Henig's scrimmage stats going into last year? He couldn't get above the 50% mark. Yards per carry looked good. By all accounts, the receivers had a good day. Essentially, we moved the ball between the 20's, but just couldn't stick it in, and if Dixon is playing, we probably stick it in. We were sixth in red zone scoring percentage, a year ago, and 1st in red zone defense, so without Dixon, it's not a good sign, but at least understandable. I'd rather Dixon be held out than get hurt padding scrimmage touchdowns. The bottom line is that if we had scored 2 more td's, we'd all be feeling better. Plus, Murray said we ran out of a bunch of new formations and moved the ball fairly well. I'd be worried if we couldn't just move it. I am less worried about turnovers and mistakes, because those are correctible.

You can look at Snead's gaudy stats and be jealous, but it's not necessarily a good thing that he is exploiting their secondary like he is. It would be refreshing to see us do that every now and then, though.

I think our biggest problem this year is going to be an inability to throw the deep ball, and I think most of that resides in the quarterback position. In 2007, Carroll just simply did not have the arm for it. He simply could not get it there. It was risky because you risk an underthrow. See the Liberty Bowl as an example. And Lee, who has the better arm is so short, I don't know what to expect from him on that. Couple that with a coaching staff that called for a fade to Lance Long against LSU, and I am afraid that the safeties won't have to worry about much getting by them.
 

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...after further review, this may have been the best first scrimmage of the Croom era (not saying much). Top 2 quarterbacks completed 60% of their passes. Sure, it would've been nice to see some touchdowns, but this is a vast improvement over what we've seen in the past. Remember Henig's scrimmage stats going into last year? He couldn't get above the 50% mark. Yards per carry looked good. By all accounts, the receivers had a good day. Essentially, we moved the ball between the 20's, but just couldn't stick it in, and if Dixon is playing, we probably stick it in. We were sixth in red zone scoring percentage, a year ago, and 1st in red zone defense, so without Dixon, it's not a good sign, but at least understandable. I'd rather Dixon be held out than get hurt padding scrimmage touchdowns. The bottom line is that if we had scored 2 more td's, we'd all be feeling better. Plus, Murray said we ran out of a bunch of new formations and moved the ball fairly well. I'd be worried if we couldn't just move it. I am less worried about turnovers and mistakes, because those are correctible.

You can look at Snead's gaudy stats and be jealous, but it's not necessarily a good thing that he is exploiting their secondary like he is. It would be refreshing to see us do that every now and then, though.

I think our biggest problem this year is going to be an inability to throw the deep ball, and I think most of that resides in the quarterback position. In 2007, Carroll just simply did not have the arm for it. He simply could not get it there. It was risky because you risk an underthrow. See the Liberty Bowl as an example. And Lee, who has the better arm is so short, I don't know what to expect from him on that. Couple that with a coaching staff that called for a fade to Lance Long against LSU, and I am afraid that the safeties won't have to worry about much getting by them.
 

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I agree with you. Looking at the stats, not the score, it looks like a good day for being 7 days into practice.
 

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Also Croom goes 1's vs 1's while most schools go 1's vs 2's. I think Snead put up those numbers against OM second defense.

The fact that we moved the ball against a pretty solid defense leads me to think we may have improved.
 

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I still think our offense will be bad this year, but I'm actually hopeful that it won't be as bad as Croom's first 4 offenses were.
 

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the fact that we were able to sustain some drives was all I really cared about. It gets harder to move the ball in the redzone and sure that's something that has to be worked on but still it sounded encouraging to me.</p>
 

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to agree or disagree with you. But, tell me why you think ball movement in practice is more important than scoring in practice.
 

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I was not saying that moving the ball is more important than scoring. All I am saying that its good to see the offense move, I can tell you that last year we struggled to move the ball in practice let alone in games. Without question had Dixon been in the scrimage we would have scored at least two more TD's. Again the biggest improvement is the fact that we are moving the ball, we will get better in the red zone

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that is, that without Dixon in the redzone, it would reason that our chances for scoring go down dramatically. Although, I have never though Dixon was THAT much better than Ducre. I probably think Ducre is better than he is or something.

But, if we can't move the ball in the red zone and Dixon isn't in there, it's not a disaster that it might be if he were in the practice during that time.
 

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than in past years. Most all of those red zone failures would be FGs in a real game. Beats the hell out of punting from your own 30 yard line.
 

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but the fact that we can move the ball between the 20s consistently is a good sign. Everybody knows it gets harder in the red zone because there's less field for the opposition to defend. I think with Dixon in the game (and maybe Elliot too for a different wrinkle) we'll be able to get things done in the red zone.. at least that's what I'm hoping for.
 

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What the hell is going on around here? Over half the respondents at this time are predicting 6 wins or more this year and you guys are taking good signs away from a practice report where our offense "sucked again".

Mind you, I dont disagree with what is being said, but it seems like I am reading a different board. It's liked everyone was powdered with Wool Rogaine.
 

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LA Tech
SE Louisiana
Middle Tennesse St.
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
Arkansas

isn't exactly showing a lot of optimism for the season, especially when GA Tech, Mississippi, and Alabama aren't going to exactly be powerhouses this year either. Bottom line, our schedule this year is about as cupcake as it gets for an SEC schedule.
 

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....the statistics last year show that we were at least an average team at converting red zone opportunities to points. We just didn't get there very much. When we got there, we put points up 86% of the time. And our defense was 1st in the league in red zone defense. So, there is some reasoning to at least be encouraged by getting the ball to the red zone, because, if those trends continue, we'll be ok in that department.

I'll put it this way, if we are going to only score one offensive TD in a scrimmage, I would much rather have moved the ball up and down the field and shot ourselves in the foot inside the twenties than have been stuffed all day and scored on a busted play from a third string qb at the end of practice. Neither is a favorable result, but one is much better than the other.
 

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is whether they allowed blitzing or not in the scrimmage. Alot of coaches dont allow blitzing by the D in the 1st scrimmage of the year...If we didnt score against a vanilla, no-blitzing D then this truly will be Offense Held Hostage- Year 5.
 

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...I first posted Ellis's reaction to practice on Saturday that sent the board into a tailspin and brought out a bunch of negative BS. It turns out that upon second glance, Ellis's reaction was either premature or just flat out wrong. Hell, the news is not anywhere near great, but compared to last year's first scrimmage, it's like night and day. I am not getting wooly about it, but I think Ellis incorrectly inspired everybody to jump off the deep end, when there were actually some encouraging signs out there.
 

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...because at least one of Croom's gruff remarks complained about the poor job of the offensive line picking up the blitz.
 

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we were sacked 7 times...and if they had done that without blitzing, it was time for alarms to go off...its still early on blitz pick-ups, thats something that takes longer to grasp
 

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Most teams scrimmage the 1's vs. the 2's. If our offense did a decent job of moving the ball against our starting defense and just couldn't score when we got in position, that's probably not the end of the world for a first scrimmage.
 

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which I've hesitated to post. I guess now is as good a time as any.

Our defense brought a variety of blitz packages. KJ Wright brings a new dimension to the D. In fact, our linebackers are potentially one of the better units in the conference. As is our secondary.

As for offense, I was as disappointed as anybody. However, after reflecting a bit, I have some hope. Prior to the actual scrimmage, they held a 30 minute practice. Carroll really looked sharp during the 7 on 7 drills. His arm is obviously stronger. The scheme they ran during drills and what they did in the scrimmage were very different. I saw quite a bit of spread option in the drills, as well as a spread looking passing attack. Then came the scrimmage and it was back to Woody ball. I don't think Croom had any intention of opening it up on Saturday.
 

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...That was a fair & balanced report from somebody that was actually there. Instead of from somebody who got all worked up over what their imagination conjured via stats.

After suffering through saddawg's ignorant thread, nice to read a grown-up take on the offense. (And defense too for that matter).
 

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maybe for the first scrimmage they just ran the "bread and butter" plays that they already knew well from last year. At least I hope thats what it was.
 

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football than the rest of the board combined. That's not bragging. That's just fact. And nobody else should be allowed to discuss it on a sports message board.
 

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that he retaliates by posting a month's worth of fresh mermaid pics.
 
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during the scrimmage, but ran the base package. </p>

It was during the 7 on 7 where it looked like the offense may open up some. Marcus Green was hard to cover. They also ran some of the bubble screen stuff that you see UF use with Harvin. Got the ball to Elliot in space some, to Dixon as well (AD's got good hands). This was all during the 7s.</p>

What I took from the scrimmage was that our LBers and secondary are tough. Jasper O'Quinn might be a shut-down type corner. On a negative note, the back seven had better be good. Our starting DT's are cloggers, but that's it. Of course, Love didn't play, but watching him waddle around on the sidelines wasn't very inspiring. Odom and Josh Jackson have a ways to go to be effective. The two Freshmen DE's have a chance to be players eventually.</p>

Elliot ran tough inside, but had a hard time getting to the corner. He did make Bo Walters look silly when it looked like Walters had clear shot at a TFL.

Maybe this is the year Dixon becomes the beast. On his first carry, he turned it up off tackle like a big back should. On his other carry he bounced outside and then ran through some arms - again like a back his size should.

Anybody waiting on Oneal Wilder to be the answer at WR is in for a long wait. </p>

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the MSU team of '02-'06 when predicting records for MSU especially when you throw out...
Bottom line, our schedule this year is about as cupcake as it gets for an SEC schedule.
 
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Yeah, he's fast. But who gives a **** if he can't catch or run routes? IMO, he's more the next Antonio "Bob" Hargro than Randy Moss/Chad Johnson/TO/etc. the sheep want to say he is. In other words, fast but can't do ****.
 

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South Panola Dawg said:
Yeah, he's fast. But who gives a **** if he can't catch or run routes? IMO, he's more the next Antonio "Bob" Hargro than Randy Moss/Chad Johnson/TO/etc. the sheep want to say he is. In other words, fast but can't do ****.

The guys been running track all spring and summer, so lets cut him a little bit of slack before we start calling this 2* "stud" a bust. Everyone knew he was raw, so anyone comparing him to... well anyone in the pros is a dumbass. He's also a true frosh this year, right? Wasn't he one of the recruits that grey shirted this past year? So let's give him a couple of years before we start calling him "Bob" Hargro. </p>
 
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When is the last time we took a raw offensive player, especially a raw WR, and actually developed him to his potential? I can't think of anyone in recent memory. I hope we finally change the trend and he does turn into that big play, deep threat WR we need so badly. But I won't hold my breath waiting for him to become that player. The skeptical, cynical part of me will believe it when I see it.
 
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