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If any team in the SEC was starting a #1 ranked QB, 5 star RB, two of the best TEs, 4/5 dbs that help produce the number 1 passing defense in the SEC, and 2 5 stars on the DL would be ranked in the AP top 15. Am I wrong?
 
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If any team in the SEC was starting a #1 ranked QB, 5 star RB, two of the best TEs, 4/5 dbs that help produce the number 1 passing defense in the SEC, and 2 5 stars on the DL would be ranked in the AP top 15. Am I wrong?
The answer clearly is you are WRONG…..i dont agree with them, but question and answer stand as is.
 
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QB lost starting job at previous school due to poor play.
5 star RB coming off of injury, O line is suspect so the RB may not be overly effective.
TEs are good
#1 passing D because no one needed to pass against the D last season because the run D was so bad.
See passing D comment for 5 star DLs

Cocks are the classic team that looks great "on paper" but needs to produce on the field to get respect. Teams with an over/under win total of 5.5 games don't usually make the top 15. Get the chip off of your shoulder and wait until the team does something on the field against real competition before you get outraged or insulted.
 

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QB lost starting job at previous school due to poor play.
5 star RB coming off of injury, O line is suspect so the RB may not be overly effective.
TEs are good
#1 passing D because no one needed to pass against the D last season because the run D was so bad.
See passing D comment for 5 star DLs

Cocks are the classic team that looks great "on paper" but needs to produce on the field to get respect. Teams with an over/under win total of 5.5 games don't usually make the top 15. Get the chip off of your shoulder and wait until the team does something on the field against real competition before you get outraged or insulted.
Before the actual season start every team is ranked based off paper and depth charts. Considering that our QB won 15 straight game and still has the longest win streak out of any college QB that’s in college should make our depth chart look better than a lot of other teams ranked in the top 25. Our line wasn’t great last season but if voters actually watched our team all season they would see that we whipped a lot of teams with DL talent at the end of the season. Our passing defense was also number 1 because teams had trouble completing passes on them. If any other team in America had the amount of talent on their roster as USC, they would be ranked top 15. Not to mention coming off a year where a first year head coach won 7 games when he was projected to win 3-4.
 
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Before the actual season start every team is ranked based off paper and depth charts. Considering that our QB won 15 straight game and still has the longest win streak out of any college QB that’s in college should make our depth chart look better than a lot of other teams ranked in the top 25. Our line wasn’t great last season but if voters actually watched our team all season they would see that we whipped a lot of teams with DL talent at the end of the season. Our passing defense was also number 1 because teams had trouble completing passes on them. If any other team in America had the amount of talent on their roster as USC, they would be ranked top 15. Not to mention coming off a year where a first year head coach won 7 games when he was projected to win 3-4.

You make good points, but then what's that mean for the polls?

Are they downvoting because of the coach? The schedule? The name on the jersey?

The real answer in my mind is if we ask oursleves if anyone on this board really thinks this team finishes in the top 15. Because then we're really agreeing with them.
 
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The real answer in my mind is if we ask oursleves if anyone on this board really thinks this team finishes in the top 15. Because then we're really agreeing with them.
I think the answer is "nobody knows." I sure don't. I'm optimistic, but we could be a VERY good team and still lose 4 games with our schedule. I doubt an 8-4 team achieves a top 15 ranking, even if they really are one of the 10 toughest teams in the country.

But here's what I do know: If Beamer is going to take this program where we want him to take it, he's going to have to exceed the experts' expectations along the way. Nobody ever built a middlin' program into a national contender by meeting the pollsters' expectations.
 
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You make good points, but then what's that mean for the polls?

Are they downvoting because of the coach? The schedule? The name on the jersey?

The real answer in my mind is if we ask oursleves if anyone on this board really thinks this team finishes in the top 15. Because then we're really agreeing with them.
This is college football where it’s at least 1 team that’s not ranked and still make some noise and some times win championships or get close. I’m sure 2010 Auburn wasn’t ranked, 2013 Auburn or 2013 MZ, most recently 2019 LSU.
 

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Before the actual season start every team is ranked based off paper and depth charts. Considering that our QB won 15 straight game and still has the longest win streak out of any college QB that’s in college should make our depth chart look better than a lot of other teams ranked in the top 25. Our line wasn’t great last season but if voters actually watched our team all season they would see that we whipped a lot of teams with DL talent at the end of the season. Our passing defense was also number 1 because teams had trouble completing passes on them. If any other team in America had the amount of talent on their roster as USC, they would be ranked top 15. Not to mention coming off a year where a first year head coach won 7 games when he was projected to win 3-4.
We'll just have to disagree. Rattler is a question mark no matter how you want to look at him. He may be really good and he may turn out to be the turnover machine head case he seemed to be at Oklahoma. The teams we whipped late weren't very good and the "marquee" win against Florida was actually a win gifted to Carolina by UGA. UGA beat Florida so bad the team gave up on Mullen and Carolina got the benefit of facing a team that had quit on the coach and the season. Missouri was awful last season and scored 31 points against us. Auburn was another team that had given up by the time we played them. 4 of the 7 wins came against EIU, East Carolina, Troy and Vanderbilt, Carolina should never lose to any of those teams regardless of how long the coach has been there. We only had 3 regular season wins against P5 teams and two of those were against teams that had pretty well quit and the other one was Vanderbilt. The only real quality win was the bowl game.

You can talk about DL and DB talent all you want but the teams we faced last season who had a pulse on offense moved the ball pretty easily on us.

I have no problem accepting that the polls don't have Carolina ranked.
 

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We'll just have to disagree. Rattler is a question mark no matter how you want to look at him. He may be really good and he may turn out to be the turnover machine head case he seemed to be at Oklahoma. The teams we whipped late weren't very good and the "marquee" win against Florida was actually a win gifted to Carolina by UGA. UGA beat Florida so bad the team gave up on Mullen and Carolina got the benefit of facing a team that had quit on the coach and the season. Missouri was awful last season and scored 31 points against us. Auburn was another team that had given up by the time we played them. 4 of the 7 wins came against EIU, East Carolina, Troy and Vanderbilt, Carolina should never lose to any of those teams regardless of how long the coach has been there. We only had 3 regular season wins against P5 teams and two of those were against teams that had pretty well quit and the other one was Vanderbilt. The only real quality win was the bowl game.

You can talk about DL and DB talent all you want but the teams we faced last season who had a pulse on offense moved the ball pretty easily on us.

I have no problem accepting that the polls don't have Carolina ranked.
Yea I agree we definitely can agree to disagree. UF or Auburn was just beating all of that other stuff about what UGA did to them isn’t a fact, it’s how you feel. The facts are Auburn almost beat Bama but some how a couple of weeks before that game they gave up on their coach? So they gave up on their coach against us but not Bama? Weird. UNC got shut out as well, not to mention we were underdogs against Auburn, UF, and UNC. My last point because for some reason Spencer get thrown under the bus a lot by our fans that probably never watched him play at OU. He has a career 70% completion percentage, thrown for over 4,000 yards, 40 TDs, and only 12 interceptions. That’s a turnover machine to you? If so I’ll take that any day. But that’s just me though.
 

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He has a career 70% completion percentage, thrown for over 4,000 yards, 40 TDs, and only 12 interceptions. That’s a turnover machine to you? If so I’ll take that any day. But that’s just me though.

I think the "turnover machine" stems more from his final games, not his career stats.

From another thread:
They started the year beating Tulane by 5 points with him throwing 1 TD and 2 INTs. He then threw 5 TDs with 0 INTs against western Carolina, but followed it up with a 7 point win over Nebraska, throwing 1 TD and 0 INTs. Then it was a 4 point win over WVU where he had 1 TD and 1 INT, and then a 6 point win over Kansas state, throwing 2 TDs and 1 INT.

Then came the Texas game where they fell behind with him struggling and throwing 0 TDs and 1 INT.


So that second year played out differently than his first. Minus the 5 td game against a patsy team, he had 5 tds and 5 ints for half a year.
 
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If any team in the SEC was starting a #1 ranked QB, 5 star RB, two of the best TEs, 4/5 dbs that help produce the number 1 passing defense in the SEC, and 2 5 stars on the DL would be ranked in the AP top 15. Am I wrong?
Don't you know? The media hates Carolina.

::the refs, too::
 
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Teams are often ranked based on the schedule they play. That’s why it makes little sense for them to challenge themselves on a regular basis. Play a few big games and just win. Not saying it’s fair
 

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This is college football where it’s at least 1 team that’s not ranked and still make some noise and some times win championships or get close. I’m sure 2010 Auburn wasn’t ranked, 2013 Auburn or 2013 MZ, most recently 2019 LSU.
Auburn had some straight up dudes on those squads.
 

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Oh I know. I’m just ready for us to surprise our own fans this season. I was called crazy when I said we would win more than 6 games last season.
I think Shane did a great job with what he was handed. But let’s don’t catch amnesia. I along with 4.3 billion gamecock fans were ready to move along from satterfield… minus the unc and fla games, I can’t point to a game and say wow, satt really earned his money
 

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I think Shane did a great job with what he was handed. But let’s don’t catch amnesia. I along with 4.3 billion gamecock fans were ready to move along from satterfield… minus the unc and fla games, I can’t point to a game and say wow, satt really earned his money
A first year OC teaching a new scheme, while his starting QB being hurt so he have to play 4 different QBs with limited Wideouts. I’m sure any OC would have struggled with those type of problems. We just saw the upstate team struggle with 5 and 4 stars on offense.
 

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A first year OC teaching a new scheme, while his starting QB being hurt so he have to play 4 different QBs with limited Wideouts. I’m sure any OC would have struggled with those type of problems. We just saw the upstate team struggle with 5 and 4 stars on offense.

While some points are true, I think this glosses over the job he did (or failed to do) preparing his team. This wasn't his first rodeo either, and his history doesn't instill confidence either.
 

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A first year OC teaching a new scheme, while his starting QB being hurt so he have to play 4 different QBs with limited Wideouts. I’m sure any OC would have struggled with those type of problems. We just saw the upstate team struggle with 5 and 4 stars on offense.
Oh I know what he had…. The way we looked so under prepared most of our games made many call for his head. I’m interested to see what he can do with a little more. I’d we look similar to last year, I’m gonna be wary
 
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While some points are true, I think this glosses over the job he did (or failed to do) preparing his team. This wasn't his first rodeo either, and his history doesn't instill confidence either.
His history as far as his offense putting up top 10 numbers isn’t a concern for me. He never had the amount of talent on that temple team like he have on SC right now. All we can ask for as fans is to see improvements and for this to be a first year OC did we not see improvements throughout the season? And we saw improvements while having a D3 QB/coach, OL coach having health problems, and playing in the toughest conference.
 

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Auburn had some straight up dudes on those squads.
They had a okay defense, 1 good wideout, and Cam Newton really carried them. Anything can happen. We never see the dark horse team coming. We never predict that team in real time. Every year a team surprises the league. Hopefully this is our year.
 

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And even with elite teams we had in the past I can’t remember being ranked in the preseason top 10 even when we deserved to be.
 

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They had a okay defense, 1 good wideout, and Cam Newton really carried them. Anything can happen. We never see the dark horse team coming. We never predict that team in real time. Every year a team surprises the league. Hopefully this is our year.
Wasn’t that te really really good??? And nick fairley was a man! Cam ran that offense so well that nobody had ever seen anything like it. I don’t see us sneaking up on anyone like they did. But hey…. Hey if we do???? Good lord I’d be happy
 

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His history as far as his offense putting up top 10 numbers isn’t a concern for me. He never had the amount of talent on that temple team like he have on SC right now. All we can ask for as fans is to see improvements and for this to be a first year OC did we not see improvements throughout the season? And we saw improvements while having a D3 QB/coach, OL coach having health problems, and playing in the toughest conference.

Yeah, he was on the opposite end if the spectrum than top ten numbers. I understand the idea that he didn't have the same talent at Temple, but did he have similar talent to teams on his schedule?

Meaning, he's got more talent now, but he's playing better defenses too.
 

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Yeah, he was on the opposite end if the spectrum than top ten numbers. I understand the idea that he didn't have the same talent at Temple, but did he have similar talent to teams on his schedule?

Meaning, he's got more talent now, but he's playing better defenses too.
If you actually looked at temple numbers from year one to year two I believe he ranked 1-2 in offense in his conference.
 

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If you actually looked at temple numbers from year one to year two I believe he ranked 1-2 in offense in his conference.

Did he? I looked at overall numbers, and he was around 100.

I found this link, but it only scoring per team, maybe what you saw was yardage or something.


But in the end, it doesn't mean anything for this year. Fail, or struggle, and his history will help seal his fate after this season. Succeed, and that history stays meaningless.
 
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