What is the likelihood that he will win a NC here? Can he duplicate his past success? On paper, I think the odds of us finally getting one are pretty good if he is hired. Keep in mind that if you pick never, your betting that a man that has 2 NC won't win one more at a bigger baseball school in 15 years (this is assuming that he stays that long).
If Casey comes to State:
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He- or whoever we hire- is going to need at least 2-3 years to get his program going. I'm not necessarily talking about rebuilding, but it takes some time to get things the way they want it.
But the one positive about Casey is that he knows what to do once he gets to postseason play.
But the one positive about Casey is that he knows what to do once he gets to postseason play.
Certainly everyone is entitled to their opinion. That's what this is all about, but could we all perhaps try to be optimistic?
It's a lot more fun that way and hell....if I wanted to read gloom and doom all the time I could go to Ole Mess's page and see what they think about us.
It's a lot more fun that way and hell....if I wanted to read gloom and doom all the time I could go to Ole Mess's page and see what they think about us.
I voted never just because a national championship is so hard to win. For example, I don't think Florida St. or Oklahoma St. have ever won a CWS title. I'm not saying we can't ever win one, but I'm not going to predict that we will win one either.
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That's what I was thinking. If you were to take it to Vegas, and even if you gave Casey 20 years at MSU, the odds would still be better that he would not win a title than winning one in any of those 20 years. Especially in a format with 4 double elimination rounds, you have to get some breaks, and your team has to be healthy and playing its best baseball to win one. The fact that LSU won 5 national titles in roughly a 10 year period in baseball is still amazing, though I believe the format was a little different back then.
About all you can ask for from your coach is that he puts a team on the field that's competitive enough every year to compete in the top half of your conference. From there, a lot of your postseason depends less on coaching and more on how many of your players go through a hot streak at that time.
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....but you still have Ole Miss fans, including you, thinking you should be hosting every single year? Many Rebels aren't very fond of Bianco right now. Quick sense of entitlement ya'll got there. You flip-flop WAY more than I ever dreamt of. You rationalize what happens to Ole Miss and State too much.
that at the very least if we tried to do some things differently that we might get a NC one day. We may not win one, the odds may very well be against it, but even if they are, I'd like to do the very best that we can. I really think that a change in coaching philosophies and recruiting philosophies would give us that "best chance".
The fact is we were never going to win one playing "that's baseball" with Polk's Upwards Baseball All-Star team. A big difference between Bertman and Polk is that Bertman was not afraid to take chances- that may mean changing pitchers every inning and it might mean pitching Ben McDonald every game of a Regional. You can be the most fundamentally sound team in the NCAA, but at some point to win a Championship, you need to take a chance here and there and try to make something happen.
The other big thing is CWS experience. I believe that the more you go within a two year period, the better your odds are of winning it. We've only done that one in the Polk/ McMahon era- 1997-98, despite averaging a CWS appearance about once every five years under Polk. We need someone to get us there more consistenly. Who knows? We may have won in 85 had we not blown the 84 Regional. We may have won in 90 had we not blown the Regional in 89. That's all hindsight, but our odds certainly would have been better.</p>
The fact is we were never going to win one playing "that's baseball" with Polk's Upwards Baseball All-Star team. A big difference between Bertman and Polk is that Bertman was not afraid to take chances- that may mean changing pitchers every inning and it might mean pitching Ben McDonald every game of a Regional. You can be the most fundamentally sound team in the NCAA, but at some point to win a Championship, you need to take a chance here and there and try to make something happen.
The other big thing is CWS experience. I believe that the more you go within a two year period, the better your odds are of winning it. We've only done that one in the Polk/ McMahon era- 1997-98, despite averaging a CWS appearance about once every five years under Polk. We need someone to get us there more consistenly. Who knows? We may have won in 85 had we not blown the 84 Regional. We may have won in 90 had we not blown the Regional in 89. That's all hindsight, but our odds certainly would have been better.</p>
That is a great point Goat. There are a decent amount of Ole Miss fans, and I would consider Bruiser one of them from his posts on nafoom, that would probably be ready to show Bianco the door after say next year if he doesn't make it to Omaha. Yet Brusier himself just said that all you can ask for is a coach who consistently finishes in the top half of the conference (Ole Miss is the only team in the SEC to finish at .500 or higher the last 6 years) and consistently gets you in the postseason. MSU fans have a much better appreciation of what it takes to get to Omaha (the talent and the breaks) then Ole Miss fans do. If we were to run Bianco off after going to 6 straight regionals, hosting 4, and 3 super regionals in the last 4 years, I would probably swear off Ole Miss baseball for a while(insert MSU joke about how that should be easy to do). Hell we ran off Cutcliffe after much less success, but considerable success nonetheless and we see where that got us.
that really surprises me. Seriously, the guy has taken Ole Miss to the next level. The only way I could see Bianco getting fired is if Ole Miss has a season like ours this year.rebel law said:
I don't think Khayat or Boone see it that way thankfully. But honestly alot of OM fans are put out after the 3 straight super regionals without Omaha and the disappointing season this year after the concensus top 10 preseason rankings and the #2 ranking a few weeks into the season. I really think MSU making it to Omaha last year drove some people over the edge coupled with McDonnel making it in his first year. I could be wrong but I have seen a whole lot more post bashing Bianco this year and saying things like we should go ahead and fire him and hire McDonnel before somebody else gets him. Hell there was a poll on Nafoom a few weeks ago where around half of the participants said they wouldn't care at all if Bianco left after this year. Considering the last 30 years of Ole Miss baseball, I am pretty happy to have him. I would think he would deserve 2 or 3 consecutive seasons of not making postseason play and or Hoover before we run off the most successful coach we have had since Vaught.
Ole Miss fans aren't content with just winning and never will be, no matter what the conditions are. The firing of Cutcliffe still baffles me to this day. The man had one losing record in the toughest conference in the nation at one of the smallest schools in the conference the year after Eli Manning graduated and he was fired. OM them proceeded to make one of the worst hires in SEC history and not even come close to sniffing a bowl game in the 3 years after. Now your school hired Cutcliffe part II. How long will it be before he gets canned for failing to get OM to the "next level"?
The Bianco baffles me to no end. The man built OM baseball to the point where you guys expect to host and make it to Omaha. He had hosted 4 straight regionals before this year, been to 3 straight supers of which 2 took place in Oxford, and hasn't lost a series to MSU in years. If you told an OM fan 10 years ago that the program would accomplish those things they would have probably told you that you were crazy. I'm not saying that you guys should give Bianco a total pass and never hold him accountable for his performance based off what he has already accomplished. I'm saying that he should be given a little slack considering what he has done and where he has done it. While the Ole Miss job has climbed in prestige lately you guys don't really want to become known as the place where making Super Regionals isn't enough as far as job security is concerned.
The Bianco baffles me to no end. The man built OM baseball to the point where you guys expect to host and make it to Omaha. He had hosted 4 straight regionals before this year, been to 3 straight supers of which 2 took place in Oxford, and hasn't lost a series to MSU in years. If you told an OM fan 10 years ago that the program would accomplish those things they would have probably told you that you were crazy. I'm not saying that you guys should give Bianco a total pass and never hold him accountable for his performance based off what he has already accomplished. I'm saying that he should be given a little slack considering what he has done and where he has done it. While the Ole Miss job has climbed in prestige lately you guys don't really want to become known as the place where making Super Regionals isn't enough as far as job security is concerned.
he spouted off about a team that lost its 3 best players and had huge holes coming into the season.
Im baffled that ole miss fans want to blame all of this on poor assistants. Its the simple fact that when you host 4 years in a row and go SR 3 in a row and get hit by the draft as hard as OM has, you are going to suffer at some point. There were far too many question marks/average players being counted on this year to blame the actual performance on Bianco though. Its his fault for not seeing that.
Im baffled that ole miss fans want to blame all of this on poor assistants. Its the simple fact that when you host 4 years in a row and go SR 3 in a row and get hit by the draft as hard as OM has, you are going to suffer at some point. There were far too many question marks/average players being counted on this year to blame the actual performance on Bianco though. Its his fault for not seeing that.
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