Just look at our offers vs others. Many of ours are higher and they take less to go elsewhere. It's an unfortunate fact.
If it comes down to Auburn vs Us for Arnold
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Bummer don't get a discount. They simply outbid everyone and get the best. They have been doing it since Bear Bryant coached them. If I'm a high school kid and I get a million dollar offer from State and $900k from Bummer I'm doing what Chris Jones did. These kids don't care about anything but, "I'm getting mine!"
One of the biggest reasons we got CJ was because Mullen's staff set up a perimeter around HHS. We had the school staff on our side. They wouldn't even release his school records to other SEC schools.
Bama probably could get a discount with Saban. Not sure waht they do now. But I doubt Auburn gets much of a discount at this point. They were in the SEC championship in 2017, when current recruits were ~11. Haven't really done anything spectacular since then and haven't won more than 6 games since 2019. Not sure that gets you a $100k discount at this point. Maybe a $10k-$15k discount.
If it wouldn't make it so hard to recruit in 2026, I would agree that keeping all of our powder dry for then would be smart. But if we go 2-10 again next year and don't show improvement, we're going to basically just double the price to get recruits anyway, so might as well overpay some this year to try and get to respectability.
Be nice to hear some news about how the Auburn visit went. Looks like they got a couple of big body pass rushers interested. Directional school guys tho but they look good
But Dak was a 2 star with one other offer from ut Martin. It was all about Dak’s will and determination to become elite. (Also helped that he wasn’t done growing) lsu tried to come after him after they realized how good the Louisiana native was going to be, but it was too late. Mullen and Dak and the fans were like 3 peas in a pod. Times were good. But please let me stop because I wasn’t going to rehash this after finally being happy with the leach hire.
Alabama wanted him bad and thought he jilted them. They were very critical of him for signing with us. They felt sure they would get him over poor ole Mississippi State.
Freeze will buy him, blow him and then run the bus over him. Not the 'reverends fault.
According to the other board, we have conceded him to auburn. Basically auburn matched any offer we threw out and our boosters saw we couldn't beat them
So much for the "Lebby connection". They tricked me again. How many times will I believe the lies ?
Dak’s breakout year came off the back of a 7-6 team that destroyed Rice in the Liberty bowl and that returned a boatload of talent in 2014.
If Arnold comes, he’ll be joining a 2-10 disaster that has 25 kids in the portal, that recruited a bunch of depth pieces per our own head coach, and that even the most optimistic fans think might win 4-5 games next year.
I hope he ends up a dawg, and the rebuild has to start somewhere, but the odds are stacked against us
Looking forward to seeing Auburn win the natty and Arnold being a generational talent. Yes I have PTSD
I would be pretty happy with Kromenhoek but T&L was saying Shapen has Lebbys full confidence so to me it sounds like they are preparing us for Shapen and some back up from UAB or West Georgia. Which is where most of our defensive players are coming from also. I'm quickly losing hope for anything inspirational
Guys that were not even on a team last year, were not starters, are from Sam Houston State or Old Dominion do not give me the warm and fuzzy. After the last 2 years it's starting to get serious. Why even watch any games. We all know it will be embarrassing
I figured all along we would end up with a lower grade portal transfer and roll with Shapen hoping he could make it through a year. And try and develop the new qb signee for next year. Might work but looks like a rerun of last year. But maybe Kromenhoek signs but you know our luck.
In other words it's just a smokescreen and once the smoke goes away there's nothing there. Sounds about right.
Barring a dramatic turn of events it appears that state football will cease to be part of my life for the foreseeable future. Honestly, I’m probably better off. I stuck with it through the croom years. This feels much more hopeless than that.
If it’s true that Arnold is asking for $2.5 million, it better not be us that pays him that.
I agree with that also. That is insane. I was all aboard when the rumor was 650k and MVB wanted 900k or whatever. Spend 2.5 on 2 real DT. And by real I don't mean from a directional school.
If Shapen wasn’t such an injury risk, I’d completely agree with you here. DL & OL are much bigger needs. Even with the injury risk probably better to sign a decent backup relatively cheap & spend most money elsewhere.
Yup. My only problem with this is the likelihood that we end up in the same place as this year, where we end up having to roll with a freshman QB that doesn't really do anything to win us games, but shows enough promise that people will offer to overpay him and we'll be facing the same situation except we won't have an injury prone upperclassman coming back I guess.
That would be exactly the Mississippi State thing. Just like flirting with JA just enough to make MVB leave and then us whiff on JA and be left scrambling for another QB.
I think MVB was probably going regardless if rumors about his asking price are true. I thought he was pretty promising as a true freshman, but still hard to spend big money on him this year knowing our schedule is almost impossible and we'll likely have to choose between him and Taylor next year.
Yeah. Everything we’re doing is stop-gap. But I’m not sure there is such a thing as building for the long term anymore. When you have 395 SEC players entering the portal (25 per team), + another 20 or so running out of eligibility, you’re turning over half your roster every year. If you’re building for 2026 or 2027, those players are probably going to be playing somewhere else by then.
I don’t think he’s as big a loss as most on this board do. We should have a better locker room next year.
There is no more building for the future. We lost 50 plus off roster a season ago. We have 22 in the portal now and I don't know how many we loss to graduation. It's putting a team together for the next season now not building a team for the future. They get a pass for last season because they did not have enough time to work the portal. They have had an entire year now. No more excuses. College football has changed. I don't know if our coaching staff can do it.
Common sense? It's the way it's always been. I have no idea why our fanbase, who is known to have an inferiority complex, somehow get a superiority complex when discussing how our offers stack up against programs historically better than us.
You're not going to find that data anywhere public, and you know that. Perhaps you need to talk to people who have been involved in paying players, before you start calling folks out for info they can't possibly provide. Nobody here is going to give up any actual real source of info.
$100K is not much more to get thrown under the bus by freeze when something goes wrong .
He said “Just look at our offers vs others.”
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask “where?”, but in typical mouth breathing Goat fashion, you do the same old “weyull iyut’s just commun sans” like you always do without providing any sort of supporting information.
Is it common sense though? Does anybody on this board (outside Charlie) have a real tangible example of how much a recruit, current player, or potential transfer asked from State vs a competitor or are we all just basing this on our collective inferiority complex?
I am smart enough to understand that many people have real life experience and don’t always have a link to back stuff up.
Ans let’s be real, you were going to try and call bullshlt bc he didn’t have said link. Because you obviously don’t have that real life connection.
I don’t have those connections (I don’t believe you do either) and I don’t claim to.
Maybe it’s my cynical and distrustful nature, but I do at least want to somewhat vet some of the groupthink that occurs on this board. Somebody says “we can’t afford these players and even when we outbid for somebody, they go elsewhere” and we all just accept that as the truth because it ‘feels’ true, but nobody ever puts a real example out there.
I’m a little surprised this is the hill you’re choosing since you’re the biggest contrarian on this board.
With the current system you have a huge advantage if you have a guy like Cignetti or Petrino who can evaluate prospects, put a team together and has a lot of experience. Rookies are going to be a cluster **** in this era. Just really poor vision by Selmon to plug a rookie in for this rebuild.
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