If MVB wants

[greenbean.sixpack]

A reasonable amount of money, say between $500k and $750k, AND a guarantee to start, do you resign him?

I have no idea of his valuation, but if the hangup is the "guarantee" and his competition is Shapen, you do that deal. We a 2-10 (floor) to 5-7 (ceiling) team no matter the QB. The 2025 schedule is brutal again, but hopefully we get some relief with the 2026 schedule. Of course we want to compete as much as possible in 2025, but we also need to build for 2026, Shapen will not be around for 2026, but MVB will still have eligibility left.

 

[Shmuley]

Wait, what?

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

A reasonable amount of money, say between $500k and $750k, AND a guarantee to start, do you resign him?

I have no idea of his valuation, but if the hangup is the "guarantee" and his competition is Shapen, you do that deal. We a 2-10 (floor) to 5-7 (ceiling) team no matter the QB. The 2025 schedule is brutal again, but hopefully we get some relief with the 2026 schedule. Of course we want to compete as much as possible in 2025, but we also need to build for 2026, Shapen will not be around for 2026, but MVB will still have eligibility left.

Lol you think he wants 750?

 

[DoomSlayer]

Rumors are he wants 1.5 and guarantee to start.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Lol you think he wants 750?

I've read he initially wanted $1.5mil, but it doesn't look like he's getting a ton of p4 suiters. I don't blame him for wanting as much as possible, always start negotiating high and come down.

If he goes through the process and get's no offers greater than $750k, we need to sign and give him the starting job.

 

[WranglerofDawgs]

The whole system is stupid…now that I’ve said that, today’s MVB is not worth anywhere NEAR what the rumored asking price is. He’s a young, inexperienced and at this point very average QB. Could he get a lot better? Sure.

don’t wasn’t money on things, we don’t have it to waste

 

[Chesusdog]

I'm not convinced he's better than Shapen, but we still need a backup plan. Shapen's proclivity to being injured can't be ignored lest we end up throwing another true freshman to the wolves again next year.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

I'm not convinced he's better than Shapen, but we still need a backup plan. Shapen's proclivity to being injured can't be ignored lest we end up throwing another true freshman to the wolves again next year.

And Shapen will not be around in 2026 when we will hopefully get a break in the schedule. With our schedule, next year will be another lean season. We need to build or 2026.

 

[Xenomorph]

Lol you think he wants 750?

Um… YEAH!… (for the first 6 months)

 

[Maroon13]

Nope. I wait and see how interested this Luke Krom (FSU) is and then decide. He is bigger and faster than MVB.

If Luke doesn't commit, then I offer MVB 500k and the starter job to lose.

I don't like the idea of running Shapen as QB1 again. I want to see the future get some snaps. This next season is probably a wash either way.

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

Normally I would say play the young guy so he gets experience cause like you say Shapen won't be here next year. But who is to say MVB will be back either. It's year to year now

 

[patdog]

I’d offer him what we initially offered him, which is probably about $750K & no guarantee to start.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

I will probably lose a lot of NRL prospects, but I would let it know from the beginning that there is no way in hell I will sign anyone for over $1 million a year. If they are proven returning player, I might entertain that thought... If it is vital to my success; otherwise, no.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

Are players actually asking for a guarantee to start? And whst happens if a school reneges on that promise because he's olsying poorly? Dies he just leave mid season claiming broken promises?

I understand ASKING for guaranteed playing time, but I don't see how that could work. I don't even want a player who isn't willing to earn playing time.

 

[Brokerdawg]

He’s welcome back for about $750k. Zero guarantees on playing time but ur money would be paid weekly and if u play games u don’t get paid.

 

[Chesusdog]

And Shapen will not be around in 2026 when we will hopefully get a break in the schedule. With our schedule, next year will be another lean season. We need to build or 2026.

True, but given that almost every one of these guys are in complete mercenary mode, paying him for 2025 means diddly for 2026. If our resources are as pitiful as we think then that money is better allocated towards positions of immediate need. Every dollar of NIL should be going towards the coming year or held in reserve. Once they get player contracts installed then we can start investing in future seasons.

 

[3dawgnight]

Has there been any news of who he has visited or received offers from?

 

[HulksStache]

Sorry to hijack this thread but looking at these figures for average players got me thinking about Cam Newton and his 180k. What do you think Cam would be worth today?

 

[HomeBoyDawg]

Sorry to hijack this thread but looking at these figures for average players got me thinking about Cam Newton and his 180k. What do you think Cam would be worth today?

 

[The Cooterpoot]

MVB wanted out, that's why he made those demands. He knew what he was doing when he did it.

 

[PooPopsBaldHead]

These mother17ers need to sign contracts. Here's a list of about 30 NFL WBs that are making less than a mediocre at best college QB is asking for... I don't understand why the eligibility thing isn't gone yet too. We could pick up Daniel Jones and I think he'd be pretty good in college after 5-7 years in the NFL.

 

[ckDOG]

These mother17ers need to sign contracts. Here's a list of about 30 NFL WBs that are making less than a mediocre at best college QB is asking for... I don't understand why the eligibility thing isn't gone yet too. We could pick up Daniel Jones and I think he'd be pretty good in college after 5-7 years in the NFL.

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Hell, why not? Just dress out former NFL players, CFL, arena league and cry about their American right to play pseudo amateur college sports and make money like anyone else. Might as well mock the system while it's so damn dumb.

 

[pseudonym]

We a 2-10 (floor) to 5-7 (ceiling) team no matter the QB.

If this is true, we should be saving every penny we can for a future cycle.

 

[ababyatemydingo]

If this is true, we should be saving every penny we can for a future cycle.

i actually agree with this. save that money this year and make a run at the stars in december next year. our schedule next year is essentially the same as this past year. maybe a little harder.

 

[Bullldawg78]

Has anyone else noticed that these pre madonnas don't want any competition? How do you sign other players at a key position such as QB knowing they are guaranteed to start? What happened to competition for position and hard work makes you better? 17 these little piss ants who want guaranteed starting position.

 

[Maroon13]

Hell, why not? Just dress out former NFL players, CFL, arena league and cry about their American right to play pseudo amateur college sports and make money like anyone else. Might as well mock the system while it's so damn dumb.

Yeah. I was totally against making them employees before. This is so far gone now .... I change my mind.

Just make the football team from employees. If you want to go to school at State, you can like anyone else and pay yourself. But you don't have to.

 

[Bulldog45]

Wont be long before a team looks to the to the state penitentiary to fill a roster. Sign them up for some online classes and the NIL packages would be cheap, plus they can’t leave for an out of state school. I’m thinking one of the former Louisiana directional schools will be the first to try it.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

If this is true, we should be saving every penny we can for a future cycle.

Do you see more than 5 wins? We'll have to win all four non cons (that includes a CFP team). Then hope to beat Ark or Misery on the road. We'll likely be heavy underdogs in all but three games.

 

[pseudonym]

Do you see more than 5 wins? We'll have to win all four non cons (that includes a CFP team). Then hope to beat Ark or Misery on the road. We'll likely be heavy underdogs in all but three games.

No.

For a team trying to improve from 2 wins to 6 wins, the schedule got more difficult.

That’s why I believe we are punting to the 2026 season when revenue sharing kicks in.

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

I've read he initially wanted $1.5mil, but it doesn't look like he's getting a ton of p4 suiters. I don't blame him for wanting as much as possible, always start negotiating high and come down.

If he goes through the process and get's no offers greater than $750k, we need to sign and give him the starting job.

I would never agree to a guaranteed starting job. And his asking for that would turn me off. I don’t think anybody that's scared of competition is gonna be highly successful at this level.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

I hope we gave him some going away cash. I don't think those bars butted up against corn dog u do nickel beer nights anymore.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

I would never agree to a guaranteed starting job. And his asking for that would turn me off. I don’t think anybody that's scared of competition is gonna be highly successful at this level.

It happens in professional leagues all the time and even at lower level (think travel ball). Thinking with an 1980s mentality isn't going to get us far. We need to think like the NFL.

With unlimited free agency, guaranteeing starting jobs or a certain amount of PT will become a thing.

Hopefully this portal nonsense will be brought under control.

 

[Maroon13]

That’s why I believe we are punting to the 2026 season when revenue sharing kicks in.

I've seen this written more than once. So I'll ask...

What exactly does this mean? Is it a suggestion that State is saving NIL money for next year, because the 2025 schedule is brutal?

 

[pseudonym]

I've seen this written more than once. So I'll ask...

What exactly does this mean? Is it a suggestion that State is saving NIL money for next year, because the 2025 schedule is brutal?

My understanding is that a lot of the announced large donations were to the excellence fund, not NIL. Meaning they can’t be used to pay for players until revenue sharing is officially a thing. In other words, these donations are going to the budget that is about to be radically changed once $20 million or so is going to pay players.

Right now, players are being paid by NIL only. A good roster costs $15 million. Some rosters cost over $20 million. The gap between the smallest payroll and the largest is huge.

I believe rev share will level the playing field somewhat. Every SEC team will max out the rev share portion of pay for play. Programs will then pay on top of that with NIL. But the gap (NIL on top) will be less significant.

Just making up numbers:
Let’s say an SEC athletics department is spending $20 million on pay for athletes. The richest programs might add an additional $10 million on top of that with NIL. So we’re talking a range of $20-30 million for SEC programs. The most expensive payroll may be just 50% more than the poorest.

That’s more of a level playing field than today. If one team cost $5 million is playing a team that cost $15 million, that’s a 3x difference in budget.

So it’s not just the schedule. Rev share actually benefits us compared to the current system.

Someone can tell me I’m wrong. I’m just trying to piece all this stuff together.

 

[Maroon13]

Great points pseudonym....

Damn.... I total missed that. That being your observation about the State excellence fund being under the university and House isn't officially in effect yet... so those funds are just sitting there. Can't be used this recruiting cycle. That explains a lot about this recruiting cycle for us.

Also, I believe you are on to something regarding Revenue sharing leveling things.

1. I don't think State can raise $20 million a year from donors to recruit. However the athletic dept with tv money should be able to. So that's a bigger offer to recruits than what (I assume) we offer now.

2. Ithink some schools will NOT stop with the collectives. Schools like OleMiss will continue to sweeten the pot over rev share with collectives. However I think the other sane adults, will roll back their "nil" giving once the schools kick in 20million. Hopefully then we will be more in line with other competitors.

Great point pseudonym.

 

[Theconnormead]

A reasonable amount of money, say between $500k and $750k, AND a guarantee to start, do you resign him?

I have no idea of his valuation, but if the hangup is the "guarantee" and his competition is Shapen, you do that deal. We a 2-10 (floor) to 5-7 (ceiling) team no matter the QB. The 2025 schedule is brutal again, but hopefully we get some relief with the 2026 schedule. Of course we want to compete as much as possible in 2025, but we also need to build for 2026, Shapen will not be around for 2026, but MVB will still have eligibility left.

Would let him walk. Next year's schedule is brutal, I would roll with Shapen and a backup knowing / hoping the freshman coming in is ready to play in 2026. We will be in the same place next season, MVB holding us hostage to increase his NIL. Don't think the ROI is worth it, knowing what we have coming back and our schedule, money could be better spent elsewhere.

 

[patdog]

I've seen this written more than once. So I'll ask...

What exactly does this mean? Is it a suggestion that State is saving NIL money for next year, because the 2025 schedule is brutal?

It's just the next stage of the excuses. First it was, Lebby was hired late so any poor recruiting can't be blamed on him. Then it was he didn't have any players, but it's not his fault. Then we announced a few NIL gifts and it was see, we're in great shape. Then HS recruiting was pretty dismal and it was we need immediate help so wait till portal season. Now that portal recruiting is tanking, it's we're saving all the money for next year when the schedule is better. Just keep moving the goal line.