If they didn't do weekly rankings...

QuaoarsKing

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It would be easy to put South Carolina instead of Alabama or SMU, on the basis of their win over Clemson looking even better now. But by doing these every week, it boxes them in to having to justify every change, which the committee is often (but not always, because it's inconsistent) unwilling to do.

If the committee were meeting for the first time tonight, I think South Carolina is the #11 seed tomorrow.
 

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It would be easy to put South Carolina instead of Alabama or SMU, on the basis of their win over Clemson looking even better now. But by doing these every week, it boxes them in to having to justify every change, which the committee is often (but not always, because it's inconsistent) unwilling to do.

If the committee were meeting for the first time tonight, I think South Carolina is the #11 seed tomorrow.
16 team playoff imminent
 
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Yep. And someone pointed out TN resume is better than Penn State but PSU likely hosts bc of weekly rankings.
 

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It would be easy to put South Carolina instead of Alabama or SMU, on the basis of their win over Clemson looking even better now. But by doing these every week, it boxes them in to having to justify every change, which the committee is often (but not always, because it's inconsistent) unwilling to do.

If the committee were meeting for the first time tonight, I think South Carolina is the #11 seed tomorrow.
Just use the BCS ranking system and it solves a lot.
You can still let the committee vote and that vote is part of the formula.
You can still do your weekly shows.
 

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It would be easy to put South Carolina instead of Alabama or SMU, on the basis of their win over Clemson looking even better now. But by doing these every week, it boxes them in to having to justify every change, which the committee is often (but not always, because it's inconsistent) unwilling to do.

If the committee were meeting for the first time tonight, I think South Carolina is the #11 seed tomorrow.
At the same record, I don’t see how South Carolina’s wins over Clemson and A&M would possibly trump Bama’s wins over UGA, LSU, and, uhhh….South Carolina….but whatever.
 

QuaoarsKing

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At the same record, I don’t see how South Carolina’s wins over Clemson and A&M would possibly trump Bama’s wins over UGA, LSU, and, uhhh….South Carolina….but whatever.
If you look at all wins and losses, South Carolina's record is better. The committee usually places a high value on head-to-head, which might override Alabama's 2 losses to teams who would otherwise be 5-7, but sometimes in the committee ignores that. See UNLV and Syracuse in the current rankings.
 

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Agree. The weekly rankings is just for selling TV ads, but it makes the process worse.
 
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Perd Hapley

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If you look at all wins and losses, South Carolina's record is better. The committee usually places a high value on head-to-head, which might override Alabama's 2 losses to teams who would otherwise be 5-7, but sometimes in the committee ignores that. See UNLV and Syracuse in the current rankings.
The ESPN strength of record takes all that into account. They have Bama at #9 and South Carolina at #11. There’s just not much argument for USC. That UGA win that Bama has is pretty huge…..it’s the best win that anyone with a chance of making the field has on their resume. That plus the head to head win just makes it impossible to choose USC over Bama.
 
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It would be easy to put South Carolina instead of Alabama or SMU, on the basis of their win over Clemson looking even better now. But by doing these every week, it boxes them in to having to justify every change, which the committee is often (but not always, because it's inconsistent) unwilling to do.

If the committee were meeting for the first time tonight, I think South Carolina is the #11 seed tomorrow.
You're not wrong. It does add transparency, which the snakes on the committee probably hate.
 

QuaoarsKing

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Just use the BCS ranking system and it solves a lot.
You can still let the committee vote and that vote is part of the formula.
You can still do your weekly shows.
The BCS formula was terrible. None of the computer polls were created by statisticians or people with a math/stats background. They were just online randos screwing around in Excel, and they happened to get their numbers out on the Internet back in the 1990s when there just weren't many college football websites out there, so they caught on.

Even worse, 5 of the 6 polls kept their formulas secret, so there was no way to audit them and see if they screwed up (or even worse, faked their results, although that is a little conspiratorial). Indeed, the 1 poll that did have a public formula did make a mistake one year that caused the BCS to have to reissue their "final" rankings after someone realized the error, and Boise State and LSU flipped spots. Imagine if that had happened with one of the top 2 spots. Or if that really did happen with one of the other 5 polls - we'll never know!

The BCS also used the Coaches' Poll, which is often filled out by interns because actual head coaches aren't going to be bothered with that, and you sometimes had coaches openly rigging their ballots to benefit their teams. One time Mack Brown explicitly said "I'm going to vote Texas #1 to give it as much help in the BCS rankings as I can" and there was no consequence for it!

Having said all that, I would support abolishing the committee and all human polls altogether, and replacing them with mathematically valid and rigorous computer polls, as long as any random person on the Internet is able to check and verify the results.
 

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The BCS formula was terrible. None of the computer polls were created by statisticians or people with a math/stats background. They were just online randos screwing around in Excel, and they happened to get their numbers out on the Internet back in the 1990s when there just weren't many college football websites out there, so they caught on.

Even worse, 5 of the 6 polls kept their formulas secret, so there was no way to audit them and see if they screwed up (or even worse, faked their results, although that is a little conspiratorial). Indeed, the 1 poll that did have a public formula did make a mistake one year that caused the BCS to have to reissue their "final" rankings after someone realized the error, and Boise State and LSU flipped spots. Imagine if that had happened with one of the top 2 spots. Or if that really did happen with one of the other 5 polls - we'll never know!

The BCS also used the Coaches' Poll, which is often filled out by interns because actual head coaches aren't going to be bothered with that, and you sometimes had coaches openly rigging their ballots to benefit their teams. One time Mack Brown explicitly said "I'm going to vote Texas #1 to give it as much help in the BCS rankings as I can" and there was no consequence for it!

Having said all that, I would support abolishing the committee and all human polls altogether, and replacing them with mathematically valid and rigorous computer polls, as long as any random person on the Internet is able to check and verify the results.
It doesn't have to be the BCS but some time of computer system that doesn't have bias.

I would like to see some some human input into that formula though. CFP committee, ap poll, coaches poll, etc. Not all of them but some form of human input would be good. Maybe its weighted at only 20% or 25%.
 

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16 team playoff imminent

Considering the fact that it would only add two games and wouldn’t increase the length of the season, I would say this is accurate. Plus $$$$$$
This is probably going to happen but what I see this year is there are only 7 teams that really belong in the playoffs and it’d be better to go to 8. But of course the automatic qualifiers mess that up.
 

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Which team lost to the most 6 loss teams? It's Bama. They have proven they can lose to anyone, and their late season loss to OU should have been the end of the discussion.

Bama's whole resume is built on dominating UGA in the first half, and then almost losing.

I'm sticking to my disdain of 3 loss teams and going with SMU.
 

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This is probably going to happen but what I see this year is there are only 7 teams that really belong in the playoffs and it’d be better to go to 8. But of course the automatic qualifiers mess that up.
It’s a playoff. It’s meant for more games, more money, more exposure.

you are correct…in saying…only 8 teams can win the whole thing….but that isn’t the point. The point is $$money. And the more exposure the ncaa has of revenue teams=win win for everyone.
 
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