Don't get me wrong.....I want Polk to step down like yesterday but the injuries we have had are brutal. No Pigott. No Crosswhite. No Turner. No Weatherford. Add in the early losses to the draft of Easley and Moreland and the graduation of Rea. Then add in the transfer of Lea and Polk's outdated coaching. And Ouila!!! The Perfect Shitstorm for MSU baseball.
In Polk's defense..................
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Turner on any consistent basis this year. We may get a DH one or two games and then sit 3, rinse, repeat.
As I stated yesterday, Pitching injuries didn't cost us a single game this past weekend. It doesn't matter who is pitching when you lead the league in striking out and grounding into double plays.
Also, its becoming clear the pitching injuries are not a coincidence and are our own doing. The same could be said for Turner who we let run in January. And there is a GP'er saying that Lalor is now hurt.
Big time programs lose players early all the time and never miss a beat. We are not a big time program. We have one "great" year every 5 or 6. Polk also has the luxury of never losing one single signee since he has returned. Who else can say that?
As I stated yesterday, Pitching injuries didn't cost us a single game this past weekend. It doesn't matter who is pitching when you lead the league in striking out and grounding into double plays.
Also, its becoming clear the pitching injuries are not a coincidence and are our own doing. The same could be said for Turner who we let run in January. And there is a GP'er saying that Lalor is now hurt.
Big time programs lose players early all the time and never miss a beat. We are not a big time program. We have one "great" year every 5 or 6. Polk also has the luxury of never losing one single signee since he has returned. Who else can say that?
...the rumors about not using ice is true, the coaching staff brought all the injuries on themselves, and the whole staff should be fired.
But not having replacements for Easley, Moreland, or Rea shouldn't be an acceptable excuse.
I think everyone knew Easley was gone, Rea was a SR and Moreland was 50/50 going into his Junior season. Same way Bianco doesn't get a pass for not having a SS ready to replace Cozart, coaches at programs like MSU and Ole Miss should have capable replacements ready to replace players like Cozart, Kline, Easley and Moreland. </p>
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I think everyone knew Easley was gone, Rea was a SR and Moreland was 50/50 going into his Junior season. Same way Bianco doesn't get a pass for not having a SS ready to replace Cozart, coaches at programs like MSU and Ole Miss should have capable replacements ready to replace players like Cozart, Kline, Easley and Moreland. </p>
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What are the injuries specifically and what proper training and conditioning do you propose would guarantee that these would be avoided?
in Polk's last 13 seasons as our coach. Using the injury excuse just doesn't cut it. Injuries "may" be the difference between a mediore season and a terrible season this year, but the bottom line is neither mediocre or terrible should be acceptable for MSU baseball.
When you lose, often times it's a lot of things rather than just one thing.
The GIDP stat that you are talking about is a direct result of not trying to move the runners along- ever. That's on Polk.
The pitching injuries are on McNickle and Polk as well.</p>
The GIDP stat that you are talking about is a direct result of not trying to move the runners along- ever. That's on Polk.
The pitching injuries are on McNickle and Polk as well.</p>
We have an abnormal amount of "sore shoulders"- Lea, Weatherford and Pigott, sore elbows- Crosswhite and I believe Whitney among others.
Ice is used to decrease inflammation. When you pitch, it obviously puts a lot of strain on the joints and muscle tissue. When you do that, you want to put ice on it ASAP to try to reduce the inflammation as much as possible so that the tissue and joints can heal. If you don't the inflammation stays, and the "trauma" from pitching lingers. If you do that repeatedly, you run the risk of damage. Also after icing, you want to do some stretching because the ice will cause the tendons to shrink some. That should be done at a minimum. Most people have their pitchers do some running as well. Supposedly, we aren't doing that.
What we are supposedly doing is what they do in Japan- like Matsuzaka where the focus is on throwing A LOT.
Also, in all honesty you can't prevent injuries BUT you can do what it takes to reduce the likelihood of them.
Ice is used to decrease inflammation. When you pitch, it obviously puts a lot of strain on the joints and muscle tissue. When you do that, you want to put ice on it ASAP to try to reduce the inflammation as much as possible so that the tissue and joints can heal. If you don't the inflammation stays, and the "trauma" from pitching lingers. If you do that repeatedly, you run the risk of damage. Also after icing, you want to do some stretching because the ice will cause the tendons to shrink some. That should be done at a minimum. Most people have their pitchers do some running as well. Supposedly, we aren't doing that.
What we are supposedly doing is what they do in Japan- like Matsuzaka where the focus is on throwing A LOT.
Also, in all honesty you can't prevent injuries BUT you can do what it takes to reduce the likelihood of them.
As far as icing down their arms or not but I don't think Polk will ever be accused of over throwing a pitcher. He may not bring relievers in soon enough but I don't recall him leaving pitchers in for 120-130 pitches very often. That is what struck me odd with the Lea family's criticism of Polk.
that he seems to be doing that more this year. First of all, you have Jesse Carver throwing 130 pitches over 7+ innings against Ole Miss, and supposedly he made Pigott throw way too many pitches in one of his outings against Baylor or someone like that.
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