In watching Steve Garvey and Andruw Jones play did you think they were both HOF bound?
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Yes....both had great careers. Andrew Jones won 10 Gold Gloves, 434 Homer's 1,300 RBIs. The youngest player, at 19 years old, to hit a home run in the World Series and the only player to hit home runs the first 2 times at bat ever in a World Series.
Can't speak for Garvey as his career was on the very back end when I first really paid attention to baseball. But I don't get how Andruw Jones isn't in yet. A lot of people are going to smack him down for his batting average. But this guy had a peak at a much younger age and you have to account for those 10 Gold Gloves in a pretty demanding outfield position.
I always wonder why Dale Murphy isn't in; he didn't have as many HR's (398) or RBI's (1,266), but he did win back to back NL MVPs.
Good point. And it's not like he was surrounded with great players as the Braves were developing their franchise.
Steve Garvey for sure. He was a terrific baseball player for the LA Dodgers.
Don’t forget Pa.’s own Gene Tenace, who was the first player to homer in his first two WS AB’s in 1972 on his way to WSMVP for the A’s.
Garvey no, Jones yes. But using Harold Baines as the hall of fame floor, Garvey belongs in. Many, many players belong in if you’re starting with Baines.
Two players who succumb to drug use that looked like future HOFers were Gooden and Strawberry.
Two others who came on to the scene like Haley's Comet then fizzled away were Cesar Cedeno and Eric Davis.
Two others who came on to the scene like Haley's Comet then fizzled away were Cesar Cedeno and Eric Davis.
Davis was crushed by injuries. I used to argue with my Mets friends about Davis vs. Strawberry all the time. Davis played all out everyday, unlike Strawberry. Sadly, his body couldn’t hold up to that approach.
One of the (almost) best plays I ever saw was the Reds in the field in a tie game, bottom of the 9th, runners on first and third with one out. Reds pull Davis up to a very short centerfield. Batter hits a hard ground ball up the middle, Davis charges it, steps on second and just misses doubling the batter up at first. Great athlete.
Raines getting in as well. His stats besides being an everyday player are similar to Baines and Garvey Is better in a few areas…Raines does have a much better WAR vs Baines and Garvey though.
One point you make in there is relevant in regards to Baines. Raines played the field while Baines was a DH for 58% of his games. The second point to me is that Raines was elite at something. Stealing bases. A guy like Raines (or Henderson or Vince Coleman) put pressure on pitchers to not put them on base and even more once they are.
I’m not if I would say Tim Raines should be a hall of famer but if Harold Baines is, he certainly belongs.
Did really see Garvey play much, as I was too young.
Jones, no way. In my opinion, he and the other steroid users do not belong in the Hall of Fame.
Jones, no way. In my opinion, he and the other steroid users do not belong in the Hall of Fame.
Loved that late 70's Dodger team. Lopes, Russell Smith, Cey, Garvey, Baker, Monday, Yeager, Pitcher. That happened just about every day. They had Bill North, Lee Lacy, Johnny Oates, Joe Ferguson on the bench and that was about it.
Should Garvey be in the HOF? I would say very border line.
Should Garvey be in the HOF? I would say very border line.
Were Don Sutton and Tommy Lasorda the only future HOFers on those Dodger teams?
I believe so. They were definitely a sum of the parts type of team. A lot of very good players. Couldn't ever beat the Yankees. By the time they got over the top in the strike year I think the infield was still in place minus Yeager, and maybe Dusty Baker the only outfielder left.