Is this Frank Martin 2.0?
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No, he's much better than Martin. That said, this doesn't look like a very good team this year. For whatever reason, it's just not working.
You said " for whatever reason". Like it just doesn't make sense, because we got a top notch coach who's brought in top notch talent
Come on guys, 95% of this board wanted Beamer fired after the first half of the season. He walked on water after the regular season and he needs to mature after the bowl game. Knee jeek?
Give the guy a chance. Two data points don't make a trend.
Give the guy a chance. Two data points don't make a trend.
I think what’s most concerning for me is there doesn’t seem to be any consistency on defense. It’s not uncommon for teams like ours, who lack true top end talent, to fight and claw and muddy the game on offense to score points, but those teams that are still “good” teams typically play hard-nosed defense. I feel like we don’t have either this year, which is surprising considering the amount of guys we do have back from last years squad that should be very familiar with LP’s defensive scheme.
And we managed to lose by double the spread. CMB needs help from supporting cast.
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EXACTLY!!! The next one you'll see is DC White in FB. Bumped to $2mill/yr after a season with a bunch of NFL talent. Next season we will be paying $2mill for a D ranked well-above 50th - probably in the 75-80 nationally range (just my prediction).
What's the alternative? This board would fall apart if we didn't bump White and he left for greener pastures. With the exception of Muschamp, I'm fine with how contacts have been handled.
I don't know why we bang on Frank Martin so much, he's the only coach to take us to a Final Four. His players played hard and most excelled under his discipline especially guys like Chris Silva and Michael Carrera.
While I would agree that one good year typically shouldn't result in a significant extension or raise, calling the 2023-24 basketball season "unspectacular" is insulting and just not true. Outside of the Final Four run, 2023-24 was one of the best basketball seasons in school history. You have to go back to the late 90s and the 70s to find seasons that were as good.
That was Carolina's 10th NCAA tournament appearance ever.
Carolina finished ranked in the final AP poll for the first time in two decades.
Carolina tied the school record for overall wins in a season.
Carolina set the school record for regular season wins.
Carolina finished tied for 2nd in the SEC, one win over Tennessee away from winning the SEC outright.
It was an incredible and totally unexpected season.
I believe that would be a Shane Beamer call. No way his defensive coordinator is getting a big raise/extension without the head coach asking for it.
Such is the world of over-reaction college sports.
One good year? Give that fella a few more million.
One down year? Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
The pressure from fans to "win now" influences admins to make what would be imprudent financial decisions in most any other field of business. Add the whole "wild west" scenario with player movement, and I don't know how anyone "builds" a program and establishes a track record of their coaching acumen.
Look at Whammy Ward - when he had a locker room full of NFL talent, he was a genius. The next year the D looked like the Keystone Cops running around out there - couldn't cover anyone and let Kenny Hill break Manziel's passing record with 511 yards against us in his first start in 2014, a 52-28 season-opening, primetime beatdown at Willy B. and ESPN declared him the Heisman favorite. A few games later he was benched for a true freshman, then suspended and in Jan. 2015 transferred to TCU.
Did Whammy take stupid pills and forget how to coach? Not likely, it was more likely the loss of talent he previously had; a loss so large that a kid who couldn't even get on the field a few games later was being trumpeted for the Heisman. Talent made him look like a hero and lack thereof made him look like a zero... in one season.
So, I'll always be in the camp of it being more about "the Jimmies and the Joes than the Xs and the Os".
That said, you have the few coaching geniuses like Spurrier who can out-scheme and outwit their peers; but there are very few like him.
And were unfortunately shown the door in the first round, as a six-seed against 11th-seeded Oregon.
To add insult to injury, the guy that almost single-handedly beat us played for us the year before and decided he didn't want to be here when Paris arrived. A guy that was a serviceable but unremarkable player while here drops 40 on us and tells us to enjoy the off-season.
Only at USC.
Took us to a final four but struggled putting a solid product on the court after the final four. He was an embarrassment on the sidelines. Grateful for the final four but more grateful that he is at UMass.
Yep, that's Gamecock luck for ya. The loss in the tournament though doesn't detract from the rest of the season's success. Perhaps it would have if we made the tournament frequently, but we don't.And were unfortunately shown the door in the first round, as a six-seed against 11th-seeded Oregon.
To add insult to injury, the guy that almost single-handedly beat us played for us the year before and decided he didn't want to be here when Paris arrived. A guy that was a serviceable but unremarkable player while here drops 40 on us and tells us to enjoy the off-season.
Only at USC.
Still felt like a faceplant kind of ending to the season... maybe similar to the Citrus Bowl?
But it's been sort of a pattern over the last 6 decades I've been around this school.
Thank God for the baseball not doing a Charlie Brown and pulling the rug out from under us during that magical stretch of Omaha years!
Frank’s teams usually played good defense. I still have no idea why so many expected this team to compete in the SEC. Some actually thought we’d be a NCAAT team.Can't shoot, poor defense and turnovers
It took Frank 3 years to get to a winning season, but his Final 4 team goes down as my all time favorite. So, just like we couldn’t judge Martin based on his first 2 seasons, the same goes for Paris. Hell, he built a rag-tag team his first season and made the tournament. It’s way too early to judge him. If we were in the ACC we might be a tournament team this year. But we are not, SEC is freaking loaded this year. Come on, we have to put things in perspective.
I think the man's a good coach. The SEC is this year, and has been for several years, a very athletic conference, and we haven't kept pace. This is where Paris must up his game. We have to have better players in here. I know that this is obvious but we just don't measure up with even the pretty good mid-major teams, I don't think.
We didn't even measure up to North Florida... and that's a fact.
The same North Florida that got beat by Florida 99-45.
The radio talking heads were going on a few weeks ago about us needing to finish .500 in conference to be assured of an NCAA bid. I'm not sure they even win a conference game this year, much less half of them.
Yes, we are the only power 4 team to lose an inferior team / conference. ND football says hello.We didn't even measure up to North Florida... and that's a fact.
The same North Florida that got beat by Florida 99-45.
The radio talking heads were going on a few weeks ago about us needing to finish .500 in conference to be assured of an NCAA bid. I'm not sure they even win a conference game this year, much less half of them.
It's more representative of their performance than not and if you're thinking they'll make a ND-type turnaround this year, well, you're more optimistic than I am.
They won't but most didn't expect the turnaround / run last year. There were many on this board wanting Paris's head about 2/3 of the way through last season. Go to the ND board. They didn't expect the turnaround either. They gave up on the season as many did on this board halfway through the football season.It's more representative of their performance than not and if you're thinking they'll make a ND-type turnaround this year, well, you're more optimistic than I am.
I have 100% faith in Paris. Not that he'll make the tournament each year but that he'll right the ship after a down year and have us in the conversation many years.
It's fair to put this team on Paris but they don't have an SEC point-guard or shooting guard so a run this year is improbable. He has some high level recruits lined up for next year.
I get the point of your post post and I don't disagree with the stated accomplishments.
That said, we didn't beat Clemson, we didn't win a conference championship, and we didn't advance past the 1st round of the NCAA's. While a good season for USC, it's unspectacular on the balance. 5/10/20 years from now last season will be a historical footnote.
Think we were all hopeful it would be a springboard going forward for our program. Clearly that hasn't happened (at least this year). Hopeful Paris can get more productive bodies in for next year. Other SEC programs aren't playing around anymore when it comes to basketball.
We HOPE last year is a historical footnote.
But until Carolina frequently makes the NCAA tournament, any season with a tournament appearance is going to be special.
Obviously 2023-24 wouldn't be special for any blueblood basketball program. But we are not that.
No Johnson, no Cooper. I don’t know his to spell it out any clearer. Those guys were too top level guards. No disrespect to the new guys, but as fans you have to realize the fall off in talent. We got who we could get, can’t get that level talent in the portal every year. I like Paris’s coaching style and think he can be successful. You all thinking winning and going to to tournament every year is a pipe dream. You know the world doesn’t work that way. Grow up
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