It’s been 6 years and still haven’t moved on…
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Said it then, right call poorly executed. Not sure it would have been a td, but a first down for sure.
Many have pointed this out but those that like to find reasons to hate on Franklin have had their fingers in their ears. IIRC, Franklin even said they got the look they wanted and expected a huge play once they saw it, but we didn't get it done.
Agree. The OL did not execute. The play was there. Rahne and Franklin took a lot of crap for this play, but a missed assignment messed the whole thing up.
Why the f.ck did you post this!!! I had no intentions of drinking tonite!!!!
Ok. But that doesn’t change the fact that the OL didn’t execute. I guess they didn’t trust themselves..and rightly so? What teams allow the players, specifically the OL, to call the plays?
As if Tengwall knows more than we do. Pfft.
Coming to a conclusion based on a false premise is illogical, and there is no way Sanders gets the 8 or 9 yards he needs (starting deep in the backfield) for a first down. Let Trace keep it and see what happens. Mind bogglingly bad call and Franklin said in the presser afterwards he wished he called something else.
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On a Friday night, sure I believe you
Holy sh*t, Friday night, thought it was Thursday… bottoms up!On a Friday night, sure I believe you
I think we’ve discussed this. It’s not that the OL didn’t execute, it’s that they were put into an impossible situation where they couldn’t execute!
Well, I could be wrong, but the premise of the video is that the OL messed up the execution, right? What made it impossible?
I'll take a stab....
It's the NCAA tourney final. One possession to win it. Coach sets up the perfect play and I get a wide open three....
We lose because I'm gonna miss the tres 80% of the time. So coach effed up because it didn't matter how good the call was, I couldn't execute it and coach shoulda known that. You can't say you made the right call and the players didn't execute when you are the one that put the ball in the hands of the 25% shooter instead of the 65% one.
Game on the line and we run at, arguably the best defender in CFB. Was our OL up to executing that? Perhaps not. If the OL who blew the assignment was getting beat by Chase Young 75% of the time, then it wasn't a good call.
Was it "there"? Well of course it was. But what were the odds we were going to execute it? My vote is ... not good.
Fair enough. Everyone is going to have their own take on it. To your point, Fries got beat like a drum repeatedly at PSU, so maybe you’re right.
And yet he’s starting in the pros for 3 yrs. So is it him or was it coaching. I say the latter
The premise is that but the premise is wrong the coaches were asking Fries to do the impossible. He can’t block the looper, the c and og should be looking for him Their bodies are all screwed up. Their shoulders should stay parallel to the LOS but they weren’t coached that way
OSU ran the same D and the same stunt the year before. They ran that stunt at least 4 times earlier in that game. Yet they weren’t prepared for it. That’s coaching
Heck Perdue runs that same play vs that D the next week for a 60 yd TD. They trapped it though Fries wasn’t the problem coaching was.
Never ceased to be amazed about the angst and complaining about this call after all these years. Wasn’t enamored about the call, but that’s not close to why Penn State lost. They lost because their vaunted defense couldn’t prevent OSU from scoring two TDs with 8 minutes left in the game. The first TD was scored on a lengthy and simple screen pass with the defense looking like they never saw that type of play before.
Huh? Fries wasn't being asked to block the End, per Tengwall. Tengwall was pretty clear ... even though the G originally engaged with the DT, Fries job, once he saw the stunt, was to block down on the DT, allowing the G to slide off the DT and pick up the DE.
My Dad is 90 years of age and has followed Penn State Football since the 1950s. He still gets mad thinking about that disastrous 4th and 5 call in 2018 against Ohio State.
Also, wasn’t this the game that PSU was up 13-0 and driving for a TD before the half when Sanders fumbled and Ohio State recovered and then scored just before the half? It could have been 20-0 PSU at halftime, but instead was 13-7 with the momentum shifting.
Up double digits with 8 minutes to go. Very winnable game and unbelievably bad call (may not be the sole reason we lost, but a better call and would certainly be the reason we would have won). Agree about not dwelling though - it’s been a minute.
Was this game where we where we had them pinned deep (like maybe their own 4 years line or so?) on a 3rd and long where they hit a screen pass for like 15 yards? That was the play that killed me. I called the play before it happened and as soon as it was thrown I said to my brother, “we’re Fed. Urban’s got this game now.”
Uh no. You can’t have it both ways. If Fries was to block the DT he can’t be looking at the DE. So he either has to block the DT or DE. He can’t do both, he can’t ‘read’ one n then do the other. That coaches putting the kid in a bad position. Next he turns his hips to the sideline another no no and something he probably coached to do ( build a wall? Please)
Next fu7k the LBers the C should have been looking for leakage on the DL first you know the DE looping around. Now they at least have a hat on him
look at the OG he needed to handle the DT but he can’t because he doesn’t step correctly doesn’t keep his shoulders square to the LOS. That’s all on coaching
So they could have had the OG and OT block the 3 or they could have had the OT and TE block the DE. But you can’t have the OT block the DE but if he loops come done on the DT. The only time that works is on paper. The game is played on the field.
Well, then, fight with Tengwall.
I don't know the correct answer, as I wasn't in the huddle, and didn't have the call, but Tengwall's take makes sense to me, and yours doesn't.
Yes, you can look at two different guys at once. Happens all the time. You can see where they're both moving. Hell, my son, a freshman TE on a decent suburban MA football squad, has blocking assignments where he picks up 1 of 3 different guys depending on where they line up and where they move post-snap. It's easy to do. My son's not a stud (not even close) and he handles it like a champ. Like many other non-studs before him. It's football smashing, not rocket science. "Smash guy in front of you ... if no guy in front of you, smash next closest guy ... if guy you smashing has another guy smashing him, and another guy is unsmashed, smash him."
If, hypothetically, Fries' primary assignment was the DE ... how can he block said DE when he stunts behind the DT? He can't. The natural progression there would be to crack down on the DT. And it seems very reasonable that the G would then have the responsibility of seeing the OT picking up his man, and knowing he's to look for someone else to block.
This exchange is starting to be reminiscent of the last time you screwed up, and didn't know the rule on what is an illegal block above the waist, where you claimed the side is the same as the back, when the rulebook explicitly differentiates the side and the back and says the side is legal and the back is not.
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Best coaching I ever got in any sport during my freshman year playing football. I froze in practice playing guard and couldn’t remember where to go. The coach blows the whistle and yells, “Connorpozlee, what the hell are you doing!” I said I didn’t know where I was supposed to go in that play. He responded with, “If you don’t know where to go, just hit somebody!” Not exactly profound, but so true.Well, then, fight with Tengwall.
I don't know the correct answer, as I wasn't in the huddle, and didn't have the call, but Tengwall's take makes sense to me, and yours doesn't.
Yes, you can look at two different guys at once. Happens all the time. You can see where they're both moving. Hell, my son, a freshman TE on a decent suburban MA football squad, has blocking assignments where he picks up 1 of 3 different guys depending on where they line up and where they move post-snap. It's easy to do. My son's not a stud (not even close) and he handles it like a champ. Like many other non-studs before him. It's football smashing, not rocket science. "Smash guy in front of you ... if no guy in front of you, smash next closest guy ... if guy you smashing has another guy smashing him, and another guy is unsmashed, smash him."
If, hypothetically, Fries' primary assignment was the DE ... how can he block said DE when he stunts behind the DT? He can't. The natural progression there would be to crack down on the DT. And it seems very reasonable that the G would then have the responsibility of seeing the OT picking up his man, and knowing he's to look for someone else to block.
This exchange is starting to be reminiscent of the last time you screwed up, and didn't know the rule on what is an illegal block above the waist, where you claimed the side is the same as the back, when the rulebook explicitly differentiates the side and the back and says the side is legal and the back is not.
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I won’t disagree the natural progression would be to double the DT. And then have the OG come off on the looper. But you can only do that if both the G& T keep their shoulders parallel to the LOS. Which they clearly didn’t. That’s because they were poorly coachedWell, then, fight with Tengwall.
I don't know the correct answer, as I wasn't in the huddle, and didn't have the call, but Tengwall's take makes sense to me, and yours doesn't.
Yes, you can look at two different guys at once. Happens all the time. You can see where they're both moving. Hell, my son, a freshman TE on a decent suburban MA football squad, has blocking assignments where he picks up 1 of 3 different guys depending on where they line up and where they move post-snap. It's easy to do. My son's not a stud (not even close) and he handles it like a champ. Like many other non-studs before him. It's football smashing, not rocket science. "Smash guy in front of you ... if no guy in front of you, smash next closest guy ... if guy you smashing has another guy smashing him, and another guy is unsmashed, smash him."
If, hypothetically, Fries' primary assignment was the DE ... how can he block said DE when he stunts behind the DT? He can't. The natural progression there would be to crack down on the DT. And it seems very reasonable that the G would then have the responsibility of seeing the OT picking up his man, and knowing he's to look for someone else to block.
This exchange is starting to be reminiscent of the last time you screwed up, and didn't know the rule on what is an illegal block above the waist, where you claimed the side is the same as the back, when the rulebook explicitly differentiates the side and the back and says the side is legal and the back is not.
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Stengel said if the DE loops then come off on the DT. You can clearly see that’s impossible to do especially with the way both the G and Fries body position. That’s coaching
btw Bushwood that clearly was a block in the back that was not called in the SB
Well, that was a Matt Limegrover coached OL. I wasn’t a fan and thought PSU should have moved on from him long before they did. The OL certainly underperformed while he was the OL coach.
LOL. let’s settle this … 10G’s … have Tom McAndrew verify if I was Bushwood. If I wasn’t, give me the 10 G’s. If I was, I’ll give you 10 Gs. Hell, make it 100/1 odds, so you get 1M if you’re right. I can make that bet, since I know I’m not that guy.
So, put up or shut up.
and you were obviously wrong about that block in the back, since you claimed the side is the same as the back, and, by explicit rule, it isn’t.
I'm sorry..there is zero chance Moogy is Bushwood. Totally different style.
Given I don't even know who the dude is, I would say that's a safe assumption. Unless, of course, there's a split personality thing going on, and we never know about the other one. Yeah, that's the ticket!