Jaire Alexander , Pack safety coin toss incident

[Catch1lion]

Hilarious. He struts out there as a captain. No one appoints him or knows. Charlotte is his home town so he says I got this. Calls the coin toss, which he wasn't assigned to do. Does win the coin toss. Instead of saying we defer, he says we want to be on defense. This would exercise the Packs choice, and the Panthers would receive the KO on both halves. Funnier yet is his post-game interview in the lockerroom with the massive shades on saying we cool, they had my back.
Packers suspend Jaire Alexander for bizarre coin toss incident and NFL fans had jokes (usatoday.com)

 

[MadChill]

Hilarious. He struts out there as a captain. No one appoints him or knows. Charlotte is his home town so he says I got this. Calls the coin toss, which he wasn't assigned to do. Does win the coin toss. Instead of saying we defer, he says we want to be on defense. This would exercise the Packs choice, and the Panthers would receive the KO on both halves. Funnier yet is his post-game interview in the lockerroom with the massive shades on saying we cool, they had my back.
Packers suspend Jaire Alexander for bizarre coin toss incident and NFL fans had jokes (usatoday.com)

If you want to witness a real coin toss flub:

 

[LionJim]

Yeah, so full of himself. The ref handled it appropriately, as the GB coaches told the ref beforehand that if GB won the toss they would defer.

 

[BobPSU92]

I’m sure it’s all just a misunderstanding.

 

[Mrdibbs]

If you want to witness a real coin toss flub:

Fred Jacobs ... probably didn't go to sPitt to play school.

 

[NittPicker]

The whole coin toss ceremony is sort of weird anyway.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

Hilarious. He struts out there as a captain. No one appoints him or knows. Charlotte is his home town so he says I got this. Calls the coin toss, which he wasn't assigned to do. Does win the coin toss. Instead of saying we defer, he says we want to be on defense. This would exercise the Packs choice, and the Panthers would receive the KO on both halves. Funnier yet is his post-game interview in the lockerroom with the massive shades on saying we cool, they had my back.
Packers suspend Jaire Alexander for bizarre coin toss incident and NFL fans had jokes (usatoday.com)

This is not a smart human being

 

[MtNittany]

The whole coin toss ceremony is sort of weird anyway.

It is until you factor in wind and home crowds. Then you realize that it's very important.

 

[PSU1969A]

Hilarious. He struts out there as a captain. No one appoints him or knows. Charlotte is his home town so he says I got this. Calls the coin toss, which he wasn't assigned to do. Does win the coin toss. Instead of saying we defer, he says we want to be on defense. This would exercise the Packs choice, and the Panthers would receive the KO on both halves. Funnier yet is his post-game interview in the lockerroom with the massive shades on saying we cool, they had my back.
Packers suspend Jaire Alexander for bizarre coin toss incident and NFL fans had jokes (usatoday.com)

Come Monday after that game; his belongs would be outside the locker room with a note. Good bye you stupid a$$.

 

[s1uggo72]

If you want to witness a real coin toss flub:

one heck of a lid Bruce had on, and a lot of talent in streeet clothes!

 

[LionJim]

one heck of a lid Bruce had on, and a lot of talent in streeet clothes!

My thoughts exactly. Not many can carry that off.

 

[NittPicker]

It is until you factor in wind and home crowds. Then you realize that it's very important.

I'm not saying the result isn't important. It's the ceremony which is weird.

 

[Obliviax]

LOL...you'd think the staff would have a discussion to know which goal to defend if they had to make that choice on the field.

Reminds me of when I played JV ball as a soph. We used to run the plays in with players. We were blowing out a team so these identical twin brothers got to play at WR and the coach decided to use them to run in the plays from the sideline. They almost never played so were really excited. The coach would call some off-tackle play to the RB to run out the clock. But these identical twins kept calling end-around plays. They did this four times in a row before the coach, laughing, pulled them out of the game.

 

[Woodpecker]

You guys know that the Packers have suspended him, right?

 

[Catch1lion]

This dude is such a megalomaniac that his IG post is him calling the coin toss . He got busted one games salary which has to be a big nut with a 4 yr 85 million deal but a 30 mill signing bonus.
AJ Hawk said the Pack takes a pregame pick of the 3 captains before each game at the toss. If the Pack wins it goes on the wall forever .

 

[Tom McAndrew]

If you want to witness a real coin toss flub:

that clip never fails to give me a chuckle

 

[pamdlion]

I never understand deferring. It guarantees you will not have one more procession.

 

[Obliviax]

I never understand deferring. It guarantees you will not have one more procession.

if you win the toss and defer, it results in your team receiving the opening of the second-half kickoff. meaning, you get one more possession in the more important second half. By receiving in the first half, you only get more possessions in the first half but less in the second (statistically).

Plus, coaches like the chance to get a two-fer. In other words, if you can score to finish the first half, then receive and score to start the second half, you locked the other team out for two possessions. And this allows the team to establish momentum in the second half.

 

[s1uggo72]

LOL...you'd think the staff would have a discussion to know which goal to defend if they had to make that choice on the field.

Reminds me of when I played JV ball as a soph. We used to run the plays in with players. We were blowing out a team so these identical twin brothers got to play at WR and the coach decided to use them to run in the plays from the sideline. They almost never played so were really excited. The coach would call some off-tackle play to the RB to run out the clock. But these identical twins kept calling end-around plays. They did this four times in a row before the coach, laughing, pulled them out of the game.

well the staff probably did discuss that with, you know the captains. Seeing how he wasnt one, he missed it.

 

[LionJim]

I never understand deferring. It guarantees you will not have one more procession.

The total number of possessions in any one game is either even or odd. Barring pathological examples (this is math geek jargon, actually) such as onside kicks or fumbled kickoff returns, or one team kicking off to start both halfs, either one team has one more possession than the other team, or the two teams have the same number of possessions. In any one half, the team that receives the half-opening kickoff will end up with one more possession than the other team, or else the number of possessions for each team is equal. So if a team kicks off to open one half and receives the half-opening kickoff in the other, it’s a wash mathematically; as far as the number of possessions is concerned, if you win the coin flip it doesn’t matter if you choose to receive the opening kickoff or to defer. I’m not saying that it’s a statistical wash, though. Me, for reasons Oblivax covers, I’d always defer.

 

[LionJim]

Finally found something worth posting: in 2018, 92% of NFL teams winning the coin toss choose to defer.

How the NFL's 2008 rule change affected coin toss strategy

Today, coin toss winners almost always choose to defer, but it took time for deferral to gain popularity in the years after it was introduced.

www.waldrn.com

 

[Connorpozlee]

The total number of possessions in any one game is either even or odd. Barring pathological examples (this is math geek jargon, actually) such as onside kicks or fumbled kickoff returns, either one team has one more possession than the other team, or the two teams have the same number of possessions. In any one half, the team that receives the half-opening kickoff will end up with one more possession than the other team, or else the number of possessions for each team is equal. So if a team kicks off to open one half and receives the half-opening kickoff in the other, it’s a wash mathematically; as far as the number of possessions is concerned, if you win the coin flip it doesn’t matter if you choose to receive the opening kickoff or to defer. I’m not saying that it’s a statistical wash, though. Me, for reasons Oblivax covers, I’d always defer.

If my opponent chooses to start on defense, thus allowing my team to start with the ball and my team ends the first half with the ball, I’ve had one more possession than my opponent. If I choose to start the second half with the ball and also end the game with the ball, I’ll have two more possessions than my opponent, won’t I?

 

[Erial_Lion]

If my opponent chooses to start on defense, thus allowing my team to start with the ball and my team ends the first half with the ball, I’ve had one more possession than my opponent. If I choose to start the second half with the ball and also end the game with the ball, I’ll have two more possessions than my opponent, won’t I?

You would…but the instances of a team kicking off both halves is incredibly rare. 99.99% of games will have each team kicking off to start one half.

 

[Connorpozlee]

You would…but the instances of a team kicking off both halves is incredibly rare. 99.99% of games will have each team kicking off to start one half.

Right, I get that. I’m just trying to understand what lionjim is saying. He’s saying teams will either have the same number of possessions or a difference of one. But there is a scenario (seemingly the one this guy tried his hardest to create) where one team could get two more than their opponent. But lionjim knows a hell of a lot more about math than me so I’m trying to understand what I’m missing.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Right, I get that. I’m just trying to understand what lionjim is saying. He’s saying teams will either have the same number of possessions or a difference of one. But there is a scenario (seemingly the one this guy tried his hardest to create) where one team could get two more than their opponent. But lionjim knows a hell of a lot more about math than me so I’m trying to understand what I’m missing.

Jim is ignoring the possibility of one team getting the ball both halves with his statement, since it almost never happens and isn’t really worth considering.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Jim is ignoring the possibility of one team getting the ball both halves with his statement, since it almost never happens and isn’t really worth considering.

Isn’t that what this is all about though? This guy tried like hell to give the opponent this possibility? Maybe I haven’t followed through this thread closely enough.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Isn’t that what this is all about though? This guy tried like hell to give the opponent this possibility? Maybe I haven’t followed through this thread closely enough.

The post Jim replied to was about deferring in general…”I never understand deferring. It guarantees you will not have one more procession.”

 

[LionJim]

If my opponent chooses to start on defense, thus allowing my team to start with the ball and my team ends the first half with the ball, I’ve had one more possession than my opponent. If I choose to start the second half with the ball and also end the game with the ball, I’ll have two more possessions than my opponent, won’t I?

Yes. The coaches know this too, which I suppose is why I can’t recall it ever happening this way.

 

[LionJim]

Jim is ignoring the possibility of one team getting the ball both halves with his statement, since it almost never happens and isn’t really worth considering.

Yeah, I stipulated that: “If a team kicks off in one half and receives in the other half, then…”. Anyway, if we wish to go down that road, deferring does not eliminate the possibility that the opponent will choose to kick off the first half.

 

[LionJim]

Right, I get that. I’m just trying to understand what lionjim is saying. He’s saying teams will either have the same number of possessions or a difference of one if the teams take turns kicking off to open the halfs and you ignore the possibility of onside kicks or fumbled kickoff returns.

Fixed. Mathematics is very much about caveats.

 

[LionJim]

If my opponent chooses to start on defense, thus allowing my team to start with the ball and my team ends the first half with the ball, I’ve had one more possession than my opponent. If I choose to start the second half with the ball and also end the game with the ball, I’ll have two more possessions than my opponent, won’t I?

@Connorpozlee I re-read my original response and have belatedly realized that my second sentence is not necessarily correct, as you have pointed out. Mathematics is very much dependent on caveats, as I said, and I didn't make that caveat until later in the post, too late to save my second sentence. I've edited. Dang, embarrassing. Comes with the territory but I should've done better.

 

[Connorpozlee]

@Connorpozlee I re-read my original response and have belatedly realized that my second sentence is not necessarily correct, as you have pointed out. Mathematics is very much dependent on caveats, as I said, and I didn't make that caveat until later in the post, too late to save my second sentence. I've edited. Dang, embarrassing. Comes with the territory but I should've done better.

Holy ****! A social worker corrected a mathematician?!?!?! Miracles do occur!!!!
Thanks Jim, I assumed you were correct but just couldn’t figure out where I was wrong.

 

[LionJim]

Holy ****! A social worker corrected a mathematician?!?!?! Miracles do occur!!!!
Thanks Jim, I assumed you were correct but just couldn’t figure out where I was wrong.

Lol. Good job. I’m glad you spoke up.

 

[Catch1lion]

Wow - There are other factors at stake for the Packers, who prefer that their players participate in their offseason program in Green Bay, which Alexander hasn't done. He surrendered a $700,000 workout bonus last spring to skip the Packers' offseason program and work out in Florida instead.

Sources: Pack's Alexander call to hinge on bonus

The Packers' decision regarding the future of Jaire Alexander is expected to revolve around the $8 million roster bonus owed to the star cornerback on March 20, league sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com