Jayden Daniels and Paul Skenes

[onewoof]

Crazy that State was playing professional ready players in the last 2 years.

Remind me again why these two guys needed to be on a college team and not in the pros?

Clearly some 5 star players are ready to start in the NFL and Major Leagues.

Don't see this happen much in the NBA though.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Crazy that State was playing professional ready players in the last 2 years.

Remind me again why these two guys needed to be on a college team and not in the pros?

Clearly some 5 star players are ready to start in the NFL and Major Leagues.

Don't see this happen much in the NBA though.

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Well being that the NFL has rules against players under 20 years old…for good reason.
Skenes is also a very rare exception. His trajectory to the major leagues is very rare.

You’ve certainly doubled down on the hot takes in the last 24 hours

 

[BulldogBlitz]

Remind me again why these two guys needed to be on a college team and not in the pros?

1. They hated state so much, they wanted to beat us.
2. They hated the other race so much, or something like that.**

 

[Xenomorph]

R

Crazy that State was playing professional ready players in the last 2 years.

Remind me again why these two guys needed to be on a college team and not in the pros?

Clearly some 5 star players are ready to start in the NFL and Major Leagues.

Don't see this happen much in the NBA though.

Man, give your earlier shower thoughts I figured I’d click on this thread and read…
We all know that people are the same whereever you go.
There is good and bad in ev'ryone
We learn to live, when we learn to give
Each other what we need to survive, together alive

 

[onewoof]

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Well being that the NFL has rules against players under 20 years old…for good reason.
Skenes is also a very rare exception. His trajectory to the major leagues is very rare.

You’ve certainly doubled down on the hot takes in the last 24 hours

I think there's an argument that both of these players were denied professional fair market value for their skills.

Look at them both this season. They are starting. Not so rare I guess. Who is in college now that should be in the NFL or Major League. Surely these are not once in a decade outliers.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

I think there's an argument that both of these players were denied professional fair market value for their skills.

Look at them both this season. They are starting. Not so rare I guess. Who is in college now that should be in the NFL or Major League. Surely these are not once in a decade outliers.

 

[onewoof]

Yes crazy random that two guys in the same year happen. Surely we won't see that ever again. Until next season. There's no reason elite players should be playing in on non professional college teams.

Remind me again why there are age limits that prevent elite players from pursuing their careers.

 

[Xenomorph]

Yes crazy random that two guys in the same year happen. Surely we won't see that ever again. Until next season. There's no reason elite players should be playing in on non professional college teams

College teams are professional.

 

[TrueMaroonGrind]

I think there's an argument that both of these players were denied professional fair market value for their skills.

Look at them both this season. They are starting. Not so rare I guess. Who is in college now that should be in the NFL or Major League. Surely these are not once in a decade outliers.

Yea Paul Skenes isn’t an outlier… Tons of guys out there like him.

 

[onewoof]

Yea Paul Skenes isn’t an outlier… Tons of guys out there like him.

But no 17 year olds.

Better example is NFL requiring 3 years out of high school.

 

[Chesusdog]

But no 17 year olds.

Better example is NFL requiring 3 years out of high school.

I can think of a couple reasons off the top of my head, and they both involve the NFL protecting what matters most to them: their money.

Lots of kids can look like all world studs against their high school competition but then fail to maintain against more level competition. NFL owners would rather let the player prove themselves against more balanced competition before sinking millions into an individual.

The NFL has no farm system and doesn't need to invest in one while they've got college football free of charge. Let the schools foot the bill while players physically and mentally mature, or flame out. They'll still be at risk of missing on a prospect but astronomically more certain than investing on an untested teenager.

Basketball and baseball players have summer leagues / opportunities to compete outside their regular seasons. By the time they're 18, the majority of players with upper level talent have been identified and tested against other high level players.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

R

Man, give your earlier shower thoughts I figured I’d click on this thread and read…
We all know that people are the same whereever you go.
There is good and bad in ev'ryone
We learn to live, when we learn to give
Each other what we need to survive, together alive

Thanks John Lennon.

 

[StateCollege]

I don't even understand the point you are trying to make?

Jayden Daniels is a phenomenal player. But an 18 year old Jayden Daniels doesn't even sniff an NFL practice squad.

 

[kired]

I think Skenes developed late and his senior season was as cancelled due to Covid. He’d been recruited as a catcher at Air Force, then they realized he could throw upper 90s.

Probably a high draft pick if Covid doesn’t happen

 

[onewoof]

I don't even understand the point you are trying to make?

Jayden Daniels is a phenomenal player. But an 18 year old Jayden Daniels doesn't even sniff an NFL practice squad.

What about 19 or 20?

And Bryce Young is proof that staying in college isn't fool proof. Bama makes QBs look much better because they set them up for the most success possible which isn't a reality in the NFL.

 

[PooPopsBaldHead]

Skenes was pitching against weaker college hitters in 2022. Pitching in the SEC in 2023 was like a year in the minors for him. At AF in 2022 he had a 2.73 era and struck out 96 in 85 innings against the Mountain West. In 2023 he had a 1.69 era and struck out 209 in 122 innings in the SEC. That year in the SEC made him AA ready. No way he goes up to MLB as quickly if he got drafted from AF in 2022.

Daniels became an NFL ready quarterback in 2023. Just like Dak did in 2015. In 2022 Jayden Daniels threw for 17 TD's, 7.5 yards per attempt, and 208 yards per game. In 2023 he threw for 40 TD's, 11.7 yards per attempt, and 317 yards per game. He would have been a 3rd-5th rounder in if he didn't come back in 2023.

They both developed into pro caliber players in their final seasons. That's pretty normal for high draft picks to dominate their final year of college against top competition. That's what makes them high draft picks.

Not sure what your fussing about here.

 

[onewoof]

Skenes was pitching against weaker college hitters in 2022. Pitching in the SEC in 2023 was like a year in the minors for him. At AF in 2022 he had a 2.73 era and struck out 96 in 85 innings against the Mountain West. In 2023 he had a 1.69 era and struck out 209 in 122 innings in the SEC. That year in the SEC made him AA ready. No way he goes up to MLB as quickly if he got drafted from AF in 2022.

Daniels became an NFL ready quarterback in 2023. Just like Dak did in 2015. In 2022 Jayden Daniels threw for 17 TD's, 7.5 yards per attempt, and 208 yards per game. In 2023 he threw for 40 TD's, 11.7 yards per attempt, and 317 yards per game. He would have been a 3rd-5th rounder in if he didn't come back in 2023.

They both developed into pro caliber players in their final seasons. That's pretty normal for high draft picks to dominate their final year of college against top competition. That's what makes them high draft picks.

Not sure what your fussing about here.

I am saying they are shut out from the NFL until they have 3 years out of high school. No matter how good they play. And the trend is clearly that elite players are playing well sooner and sooner. But no matter how elite they are, they cannot enter the NFL based on an arbitrary age that clearly was put in place to benefit college football programs. You have NFL starting talent and MLB starting talent playing college sports. Not on the team. Starters in professional leagues but for some reason, having no option to play anywhere but on college teams.

 

[VegasDawg13]

What about 19 or 20?

And Bryce Young is proof that staying in college isn't fool proof. Bama makes QBs look much better because they set them up for the most success possible which isn't a reality in the NFL.

Who said or implied that staying in college is fool proof? You're just yelling at clouds

 

[HotMop]

Crazy that State was playing professional ready players in the last 2 years.

Remind me again why these two guys needed to be on a college team and not in the pros?

Clearly some 5 star players are ready to start in the NFL and Major Leagues.

Don't see this happen much in the NBA though.

Paul Skenes is 22 years old. Hot Take?

 

[onewoof]

Paul Skenes is 22 years old. Hot Take?

Ethan Salas. Hotter take.

 

[HotMop]

Yea Paul Skenes isn’t an outlier… Tons of guys out there like him.

Yep, at least 1 on every college team wasting away because of opportunities.

 

[HotMop]

Skenes was pitching against weaker college hitters in 2022. Pitching in the SEC in 2023 was like a year in the minors for him. At AF in 2022 he had a 2.73 era and struck out 96 in 85 innings against the Mountain West. In 2023 he had a 1.69 era and struck out 209 in 122 innings in the SEC. That year in the SEC made him AA ready. No way he goes up to MLB as quickly if he got drafted from AF in 2022.

Daniels became an NFL ready quarterback in 2023. Just like Dak did in 2015. In 2022 Jayden Daniels threw for 17 TD's, 7.5 yards per attempt, and 208 yards per game. In 2023 he threw for 40 TD's, 11.7 yards per attempt, and 317 yards per game. He would have been a 3rd-5th rounder in if he didn't come back in 2023.

They both developed into pro caliber players in their final seasons. That's pretty normal for high draft picks to dominate their final year of college against top competition. That's what makes them high draft picks.

Not sure what your fussing about here.

Did Livvy Dunne give him super powers? That can be the only reason.

 

[HotMop]

Ethan Salas. Hotter take.

You're point? He was signed at 17 years of age. MLB can sign whatever age players they want.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Yea Paul Skenes isn’t an outlier… Tons of guys out there like him.

Yep we all out here boning Livy Dunne's. Yep tons of us**
that's my story and I'm sticking to it...

 

[BrunswickDawg]

Baseball has always been as sport where you have a few phenoms jump to the majors pretty regularly - and 22 is actually a little old compared to some.

Doc Gooden was 19 when he jumped from A ball to the Mets and won 17 games and ROY.
The next season, at age 20, he found cocaine and went 24-4 with 268K's and a 1.53 ERA

 

[onewoof]

You're point? He was signed at 17 years of age. MLB can sign whatever age players they want.

Can't play until he's 18 in US of A.

What's the age limit of the Olympics?

 

[HotMop]

Can't play until he's 18 in US of A.

What's the age limit of the Olympics?

He was 16 in the Minor Leagues after signing for $5.6m.

 

[ronpolk]

I am saying they are shut out from the NFL until they have 3 years out of high school. No matter how good they play. And the trend is clearly that elite players are playing well sooner and sooner. But no matter how elite they are, they cannot enter the NFL based on an arbitrary age that clearly was put in place to benefit college football programs. You have NFL starting talent and MLB starting talent playing college sports. Not on the team. Starters in professional leagues but for some reason, having no option to play anywhere but on college teams.

I think the rule exists in the NFL because there is an incredible difference, physically speaking, between your average 18 year old and a 28 year old man.

 

[onewoof]

I think the rule exists in the NFL because there is an incredible difference, physically speaking, between your average 18 year old and a 28 year old man.

My point is that Daniels was ready at 22. I've seen linemen ready at 20.

 

[TrueMaroonGrind]

My point is that Daniels was ready at 22. I've seen linemen ready at 20.

 

[onewoof]

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Trust me - now that college football is a business opportunity and career for athletes, it now matters, elite players will leave colleges earlier and earlier for the NFL. No doubt it will happen. Will trend to 1 and done like basketball soon.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

NFL should definitely allow players to enter the draft a year earlier than they do now. It would rid college of a lot of the NIL allotment, plus, some are absolutely ready. Clowney, etc. would also produce more parity.

I’d say let them go as freshmen too. What could the NFL lose? They don’t have to draft them.

 

[ronpolk]

My point is that Daniels was ready at 22. I've seen linemen ready at 20.

If the NFL was prepared to pick him in the first round prior to his last year at LSU then he would have been in the draft. But since he was not, I’m guessing he was not viewed as a sure fire prospect.

 

[17itdawg]

Yea Paul Skenes isn’t an outlier… Tons of guys out there like him.