Joe was so ahead of his time

[BW Lion]

Tonight’s NFL draft is evidence that OT is obviously a highly coveted position and one that almost needs a dedicated coach.

If I’m not mistaken, didn’t Joe divide the OL by giving one coach responsibility for exterior O-Line men ( OT’s and TE’s) vs interior OL men (Centers, guards)

Perhaps the best OL in collegiate history was coached this way by Kenney and Anderson.

I’ll almost rest my case.

 

[BW Lion]

Tonight’s NFL draft is evidence that OT is obviously a highly coveted position and one that almost needs a dedicated coach.

If I’m not mistaken, didn’t Joe divide the OL by giving one coach responsibility for exterior O-Line men ( OT’s and TE’s) vs interior OL men (Centers, guards)

Perhaps the best OL in collegiate history was coached this way by Kenney and Anderson.

I’ll rest my case.

One more thing….is Franklin doing this?

 

[leinbacker]

I think so, Joe also had long and short tackles. Long being the tackle that lines up with the TE.

 

[s1uggo72]

Tonight’s NFL draft is evidence that OT is obviously a highly coveted position and one that almost needs a dedicated coach.

If I’m not mistaken, didn’t Joe divide the OL by giving one coach responsibility for exterior O-Line men ( OT’s and TE’s) vs interior OL men (Centers, guards)

Perhaps the best OL in collegiate history was coached this way by Kenney and Anderson.

I’ll almost rest my case.

Yes but the game changed. Most teams had 2 OL coaches until they realized it was not the best allocation of coaching assets as you had 2 different voices, and the OL needs just 1. If you moved a kid from OG to OT they had to change coaches, now they keep the same coach.
much better

 

[s1uggo72]

I think so, Joe also had long and short tackles. Long being the tackle that lines up with the TE.

As well as short and long Guards. But doing it this way lead to problems depth for one. Now your 3 rd best OT had to learn both long and short tackle rules or you had to play your fourth best if you didn’t cross train your third OT
Plus with the advent of the passing game it was better just to teach them left and right

 

[BW Lion]

Yes but the game changed. Most teams had 2 OL coaches until they realized it was not the best allocation of coaching assets as you had 2 different voices, and the OL needs just 1. If you moved a kid from OG to OT they had to change coaches, now they keep the same coach.
much better

PSU’s revolving door of single voice OL coaches, especially under Franklin, are working so well

 

[pap]

Tonight’s NFL draft is evidence that OT is obviously a highly coveted position and one that almost needs a dedicated coach.

If I’m not mistaken, didn’t Joe divide the OL by giving one coach responsibility for exterior O-Line men ( OT’s and TE’s) vs interior OL men (Centers, guards)

Perhaps the best OL in collegiate history was coached this way by Kenney and Anderson.

I’ll almost rest my case.

And which line was that ? Our best O line ever may have been the 94 line , which was coached by Craig Cirbus and him alone And back in the day Anderson coached by himself as did Nick Gasparato later in the 86 season , when Anderson went to Rutgers for HC , and btw beat Joe at beaver one year , So how was Joe ahead of his time ?

 

[s1uggo72]

PSU’s revolving door of single voice OL coaches, especially under Franklin, are working so well

We’ll that’s on CJF. IIRC BOB only had 1 OL coach too

 

[TheBigUglies]

2 OL Coaches need to be in lock step. The communication across the OL to make sure all OL are on same page every play is absolutely crucial. As we have seen in past years, one missed assignment screws up the entire play(unless you have a Saquon and Trace type athletes to make up for it). I think a separate TE coach is okay but not one coach for OT and another for OG/C. If they don't get along and are not on same page then its fruitless.

 

[Pocono Lion]

And which line was that ? Our best O line ever may have been the 94 line , which was coached by Craig Cirbus and him alone And back in the day Anderson coached by himself as did Nick Gasparato later in the 86 season , when Anderson went to Rutgers for HC , and btw beat Joe at beaver one year , So how was Joe ahead of his time ?

Not sure which line the poster is referencing, but in addition to '94, arguably our best line may have been '81, with Bill Contz and Ron Heller at T, Mike Munchak and Sean Farrell at G and Jim Romano at C (couldn't have been the OP's line as Kenney wasn't here yet). All 5 ended up with successful careers in the NFL.

 

[Shadow99]

One more thing….is Franklin doing this?

Sometimes I wonder if I am the only fan for whom both of the following apply:

• Loves Paterno and his TRUE legacy
• Supports Franklin and the many ways that he has adopted Penn State values that were established by Paterno, including the emphasis on the student part of student-athlete

If you don't like Franklin's in-game coaching, philosophies, speeches or recruiting, there are numerous threads and opportunities to offer criticism...but to set up some false, pervasive premise (explicit or implied) that Franklin is somehow the antithesis of Paterno is utterly absurd, as if CJF hasn't adopted any of the Paterno-instilled values in Penn State culture.

Franklin isn't the one who took Paterno's job, nor is he the one that unjustly attempted to taint the Paterno legacy. He is simply a passionate, energetic coach who projects genuine care for his players and has a desire, a goal to break-through as an elite program, even though that goal has not yet been achieved.

So analysis of the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of offensive or defensive philosophies, x's and o's, assistant coaching hires, recruiting, etc. are all certainly fair game, but attempts to pretend that, upon comparison, Franklin is the antithesis of Paterno or to pretend that respect for the 2 coaches is somehow mutually exclusive, is and will remain foolish, regardless of how many times or in how many ways it gets presented.

 

[step.eng69]

We’ll that’s on CJF. IIRC BOB only had 1 OL coach too

Resurrecting one of the boards short videos from the past.....

 

[Bob78]

Tonight’s NFL draft is evidence that OT is obviously a highly coveted position and one that almost needs a dedicated coach.

If I’m not mistaken, didn’t Joe divide the OL by giving one coach responsibility for exterior O-Line men ( OT’s and TE’s) vs interior OL men (Centers, guards)

Perhaps the best OL in collegiate history was coached this way by Kenney and Anderson.

I’ll almost rest my case.

I don't know if Joe initiated that OL coaching system, just as I don't know if he initiated the use of one coach to call run plays and one to call pass plays in-game, but he was not alone in either approach. Just watching and paying attention to as many college games as I do each fall, that combo of coaching is mentioned more frequently that I would otherwise have thought instinctively. Not saying it is the most prevalent approach, just that a number of schools use it.

I think that OL coaching approach has to do with blocking interior DL/MLB vs. edge DL/OLB. The coordination between C and G has to be one thing, the coordination between T and TE has to be there, and the total coordination has to be there as well. That meant the 2 coaches have to be in synch. Bill Kenny and Dick Anderson were.

I also believe that as fans, our collective frustration with anything that doesn't appear to work perfectly (in our largely uninformed minds!) leads us to think that something is done or not done only at PSU. It's like missed layups in college hoops - I think PSU misses more layups by far than any other team, but then I watch a few games and I realize that maybe we aren't nearly as bad as I think.

 

[Pennst8]

Sometimes I wonder if I am the only fan for whom both of the following apply:

• Loves Paterno and his TRUE legacy
• Supports Franklin and the many ways that he has adopted Penn State values that were established by Paterno, including the emphasis on the student part of student-athlete

If you don't like Franklin's in-game coaching, philosophies, speeches or recruiting, there are numerous threads and opportunities to offer criticism...but to set up some false, pervasive premise (explicit or implied) that Franklin is somehow the antithesis of Paterno is utterly absurd, as if CJF hasn't adopted any of the Paterno-instilled values in Penn State culture.

Franklin isn't the one who took Paterno's job, nor is he the one that unjustly attempted to taint the Paterno legacy. He is simply a passionate, energetic coach who projects genuine care for his players and has a desire, a goal to break-through as an elite program, even though that goal has not yet been achieved.

So analysis of the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of offensive or defensive philosophies, x's and o's, assistant coaching hires, recruiting, etc. are all certainly fair game, but attempts to pretend that, upon comparison, Franklin is the antithesis of Paterno or to pretend that respect for the 2 coaches is somehow mutually exclusive, is and will remain foolish, regardless of how many times or in how many ways it gets presented.

Great Post. Couldn't agree more.

 

[pap]

Not sure which line the poster is referencing, but in addition to '94, arguably our best line may have been '81, with Bill Contz and Ron Heller at T, Mike Munchak and Sean Farrell at G and Jim Romano at C (couldn't have been the OP's line as Kenney wasn't here yet). All 5 ended up with successful careers in the NFL.

Very good call and your right Munchack in pro hof Farrel 2 time AA Romano played several years in nfl won 2 super bowls very good call

 

[pap]

I don't know if Joe initiated that OL coaching system, just as I don't know if he initiated the use of one coach to call run plays and one to call pass plays in-game, but he was not alone in either approach. Just watching and paying attention to as many college games as I do each fall, that combo of coaching is mentioned more frequently that I would otherwise have thought instinctively. Not saying it is the most prevalent approach, just that a number of schools use it.

I think that OL coaching approach has to do with blocking interior DL/MLB vs. edge DL/OLB. The coordination between C and G has to be one thing, the coordination between T and TE has to be there, and the total coordination has to be there as well. That meant the 2 coaches have to be in synch. Bill Kenny and Dick Anderson were.

I also believe that as fans, our collective frustration with anything that doesn't appear to work perfectly (in our largely uninformed minds!) leads us to think that something is done or not done only at PSU. It's like missed layups in college hoops - I think PSU misses more layups by far than any other team, but then I watch a few games and I realize that maybe we aren't nearly as bad as I think.

He didn't he had to get Anderson back because Kenney was a so so coach

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Tonight’s NFL draft is evidence that OT is obviously a highly coveted position and one that almost needs a dedicated coach.

If I’m not mistaken, didn’t Joe divide the OL by giving one coach responsibility for exterior O-Line men ( OT’s and TE’s) vs interior OL men (Centers, guards)

Perhaps the best OL in collegiate history was coached this way by Kenney and Anderson.

I’ll almost rest my case.

FIRST, you get a RB.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

00-04? The exception being LJ's 2k year.....simply amazing OL's there. Sometimes fanboys memories aren't really a reality.

 

[PSUAVLNC]

Resurrecting one of the boards short videos from the past.....

And that pretty much says it all.

 

[Nitt1300]

He didn't he had to get Anderson back because Kenney was a so so coach

the staff was hardly stellar late in Joe's tenure
I loved the man, but the staff got very stale

 

[LaJollaCreek]

the staff was hardly stellar late in Joe's tenure
I loved the man, but the staff got very stale

They were complacent and comfortable....and it showed. It put OB and JF so far behind in the college football arms race. As great as Joe was early on, he and his staff got "lazy" late and that was using his own words.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

00-04? The exception being LJ's 2k year.....simply amazing OL's there. Sometimes fanboys memories aren't really a reality.

Hey LaJolla....coupla buddies of mine, after golf yesterday grabbing a beer. They love to surf the old Test board for belly laughs. Just to let you know...they are all wondering where you went!! Too funny...bankofstupidity is soooo concerned, even though he had you on ignore. Just thought I would let you know.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

Hey LaJolla....coupla buddies of mine, after golf yesterday grabbing a beer. They love to surf the old Test board for belly laughs. Just to let you know...they are all wondering where you went!! Too funny...bankofstupidity is soooo concerned, even though he had you on ignore. Just thought I would let you know.

LOL....their concern is overwhelming. Thanks for the laugh though.

 

[Moogy]

Sometimes I wonder if I am the only fan for whom both of the following apply:

• Loves Paterno and his TRUE legacy
• Supports Franklin and the many ways that he has adopted Penn State values that were established by Paterno, including the emphasis on the student part of student-athlete

If you don't like Franklin's in-game coaching, philosophies, speeches or recruiting, there are numerous threads and opportunities to offer criticism...but to set up some false, pervasive premise (explicit or implied) that Franklin is somehow the antithesis of Paterno is utterly absurd, as if CJF hasn't adopted any of the Paterno-instilled values in Penn State culture.

Franklin isn't the one who took Paterno's job, nor is he the one that unjustly attempted to taint the Paterno legacy. He is simply a passionate, energetic coach who projects genuine care for his players and has a desire, a goal to break-through as an elite program, even though that goal has not yet been achieved.

So analysis of the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of offensive or defensive philosophies, x's and o's, assistant coaching hires, recruiting, etc. are all certainly fair game, but attempts to pretend that, upon comparison, Franklin is the antithesis of Paterno or to pretend that respect for the 2 coaches is somehow mutually exclusive, is and will remain foolish, regardless of how many times or in how many ways it gets presented.

Most people are like you, and aren't extremist obsessives ... it's just that reasonable, rational folks usually stay silent and go about their business focusing on other things, while the crazies are shouting and screaming (incessantly), so it just sounds like there are more of them.

 

[razpsu]

And which line was that ? Our best O line ever may have been the 94 line , which was coached by Craig Cirbus and him alone And back in the day Anderson coached by himself as did Nick Gasparato later in the 86 season , when Anderson went to Rutgers for HC , and btw beat Joe at beaver one year , So how was Joe ahead of his time ?

I don’t know about that. 81 was probably the best.

 

[razpsu]

Not sure which line the poster is referencing, but in addition to '94, arguably our best line may have been '81, with Bill Contz and Ron Heller at T, Mike Munchak and Sean Farrell at G and Jim Romano at C (couldn't have been the OP's line as Kenney wasn't here yet). All 5 ended up with successful careers in the NFL.

You beat me to it. 81 was the best most likely. 94 was very good though

 

[1000 OaksLion]

Resurrecting one of the boards short videos from the past.....

That may have been the worst execution of a play in PS history. I remember watching that game and when it happened I called my brother who was also watching and we couldn't stop laughing. It was soooo bad it was funny.

 

[BW Lion]

Hey LaJolla....coupla buddies of mine, after golf yesterday grabbing a beer. They love to surf the old Test board for belly laughs. Just to let you know...they are all wondering where you went!! Too funny...bankofstupidity is soooo concerned, even though he had you on ignore. Just thought I would let you know.

What’s weird is that the often mocked ex-Test/Politics Board is probably more active than either the old BWI board or this one.

I don’t post there much anymore, but I have noticed an influx of new and active participants with board names you would recognize.

It’s rather strange

 

[pap]

You beat me to it. 81 was the best most likely. 94 was very good though

That 94 O averaged 48 points a game I would say that is better than very good it was superb 81 also was damn fine as well

 

[pap]

the staff was hardly stellar late in Joe's tenure
I loved the man, but the staff got very stale

On O no question , But look who was in charge says it all The D was solid because who was there

 

[pap]

I don't know if Joe initiated that OL coaching system, just as I don't know if he initiated the use of one coach to call run plays and one to call pass plays in-game, but he was not alone in either approach. Just watching and paying attention to as many college games as I do each fall, that combo of coaching is mentioned more frequently that I would otherwise have thought instinctively. Not saying it is the most prevalent approach, just that a number of schools use it.

I think that OL coaching approach has to do with blocking interior DL/MLB vs. edge DL/OLB. The coordination between C and G has to be one thing, the coordination between T and TE has to be there, and the total coordination has to be there as well. That meant the 2 coaches have to be in synch. Bill Kenny and Dick Anderson were.

I also believe that as fans, our collective frustration with anything that doesn't appear to work perfectly (in our largely uninformed minds!) leads us to think that something is done or not done only at PSU. It's like missed layups in college hoops - I think PSU misses more layups by far than any other team, but then I watch a few games and I realize that maybe we aren't nearly as bad as I think.

I don't know where the Kenny love is coming from , but it isn't deserved Now If your a Jay fan , Kenney and he were buds Joe's best O line coaches were probably with out question Anderson, Cirbus , and Gasparato, Bte they were the only O line coaches on the staff sans Anderson when he had to put up with Kenney

 

[s1uggo72]

What’s weird is that the often mocked ex-Test/Politics Board is probably more active than either the old BWI board or this one.

I don’t post there much anymore, but I have noticed an influx of new and active participants with board names you would recognize.

It’s rather strange

its that way on most team sites. for example the Marshall 'test' boards are both more active than either 'sports' boards

 

[Colt2169]

Most people are like you, and aren't extremist obsessives ... it's just that reasonable, rational folks usually stay silent and go about their business focusing on other things, while the crazies are shouting and screaming (incessantly), so it just sounds like there are more of them.

So so true - for many things !!