Jordan signs for almost 2 million
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Quick math says he got all of their 5% overage which will
Cost the giants 75% on around 375K. Peanuts to them but shows they wanted him.
Cost the giants 75% on around 375K. Peanuts to them but shows they wanted him.
Never knew that was a thing. It does show how bad they wanted him.
I guess that’s the benefit of a good agent.
That’s equivalent to slot value of the 46th or 47th pick. All things considered, that’s not a bad outcome for Dakota. Glad it worked out for him.
I’ll say this
Every time I try to figure out how the MLB draft works I get more confused.
Every time I try to figure out how the MLB draft works I get more confused.
It’s pretty much all on potential. Jordan is one of those guys if he ever does put it all together will be a great player.
He'll play better in an atmosphere where there's not so much pressure **
That bomb he hit in the regional made him some money. That was just an incredible display of power on the college level.
I don’t think they had a 2nd or 3rd round pick so they had the money to spend on DJ.
That doesn’t gain them any money They saved 500k on their first round pick and then signed some seniors for virtually nothing for about another 300k in savings. Then used virtually all of the 5% overage allowance.
The MLB draft allowance, or bonus pool, is the amount of money a team can spend on draft picks in the first 10 rounds. The league assigns a dollar value to each pick in the first 10 rounds, and the total of those values is the team's bonus pool. Teams can spend the money in their bonus pool, plus up to 5% over it, without penalty. However, there is a 75% tax on the amount spent over the bonus pool, and teams that go over by 5–10% may also lose their next first-round pick. Teams that go over by 15% may lose their next two first-round picks, in addition to the tax. These compensatory picks are then given to teams with lower revenue
No doesn’t gain them any money but it cleared the runway for them to prioritize him.
random trivia: Dak Prescott signed a rookie deal for $2.7M for 4 years, at pick #135 in Round 4.
QBs drafted ahead of Dak in 2016: Goff, Wentz, Paxton Lynch, Christian Hackenberg, Jacoby Brissett, Cody Kessler, Connor Cook.
QBs drafted ahead of Dak in 2016: Goff, Wentz, Paxton Lynch, Christian Hackenberg, Jacoby Brissett, Cody Kessler, Connor Cook.
Why is this a part of it?
Teams can spend the money in their bonus pool, plus up to 5% over it, without penalty.
Ultimately, Jordan had a bottom-line number that was equal to probably mid-2nd round grade, which is fair but also was a bit higher than MLB as a whole valued him. No one picking in the 2nd round felt as comfortable with Jordan as they did with someone else in the slot with paying that amount. Could have been their evaluation of Jordan, could have just been that they already were strong in their OF farm system, could have been another guy higher on board dropped further than expected, or a combination of more than one of those factors.
Also, most all teams had at least 3 picks in the first 3 rounds (including comp picks in between rounds). So, none of those teams were going to be able to sign Jordan after round 2 because they wouldn’t have the bonus pool money available to hit his number without having to jettison another high draft pick.
Finally, the Giants call Jordan and tell him a bonus range, tell him and his agent they’ll try to get as high as they can in the range (call it mid-late 2nd round slot value, for instance), but he’s gotta sign in that range if they are to draft him. Then Boras does the rest.
Everything had to break just right for it to work out for him. If the Giants had gone another direction with their 4th round pick, Jordan is back for another year at MSU….or where ever else he wanted to go for an NIL bump.
Also, most all teams had at least 3 picks in the first 3 rounds (including comp picks in between rounds). So, none of those teams were going to be able to sign Jordan after round 2 because they wouldn’t have the bonus pool money available to hit his number without having to jettison another high draft pick.
Finally, the Giants call Jordan and tell him a bonus range, tell him and his agent they’ll try to get as high as they can in the range (call it mid-late 2nd round slot value, for instance), but he’s gotta sign in that range if they are to draft him. Then Boras does the rest.
Everything had to break just right for it to work out for him. If the Giants had gone another direction with their 4th round pick, Jordan is back for another year at MSU….or where ever else he wanted to go for an NIL bump.
Safe to say Jordan didn’t lose any value with all those strikeouts.
The most likely scenario is San Fran tells Jordan they are going to draft him and give him 2 million. And will draft him with their 2nd pick.… which happens to be the 4th round….
jordan is likely called throughout the early rounds, but knowing he’s got the 2 mil And San Fran in his back pocket can ask for more from other teams.
jordan was never coming back and it was never close.…. And he couldn’t have gone anywhere else.. portal was closed. It was draft or back, but again he was never coming back
A 5th rounder signed for 1.7 and a 8th rounder signed for 1.3 and a 10th rounder for 1.8 mil…..not sure what the record is for after the 2nd round. But 2 mil is the draft slot of a upper 2nd rounder which is about where Jordan was expected to go
Giants knew they could get to his number even in the 4th round. That's why they took him. I don't think they even had a 2nd or 3rd round pick so they sure as heck weren't going to pick someone in the 4th that they couldn't sign.
Sorry for the hijack but I'm trying to remember the name of another black baseball player we signed outta Starkville who was also a good punter. Anybody remember him?
I’m pretty certain that teams can’t do that to the extent you’re saying. It’s tampering. Before the draft, teams can ask what your number is, and ask if you’ll sign if taken at that number. But they can’t ever guarantee a pick and a bonus at a certain point. And they sure as hell can’t tell you during the draft that they will take you later at a certain point and signing bonus to get you to wait for them. That’s very against the rules. The only time they can talk to a prospect or his representation as far as guaranteeing a rough number during the draft is when they are on the clock.
They couldn’t possibly ever do that in good faith, anyways. There’s so many moving parts in the draft, and no way for them to know who else might fall to them at that point
No way for him to know that….as stated above. Its not super complicated. Boras told teams his expectation. Many teams passed. Giants had money to burn, and wanted him. End of story.
Portal opens back up in the fall. The current closure window means nothing.
And he picked one, if not the most hard nosed, disliked agents in MLB. Scott Boras.
God this is so wrong.
Teams are allowed and do talk with players all the time. You really think teams have a 10 minute window and contact potential draft picks and see what it’ll take to sign them? Teams and potiental drafts talk all the time about things such as, what are you willing to sign for, if you drop to this pick we are going to take you, etc. Jordan without question knew the giants were going to take him with their 2nd pick and what they were willing to offer bonus wise.
Please find the tampering rule you claim this breaks and post it for us… or that the ONLY time an org can talk to a player about a bonus is when they are on the clock…. This is soooooooo ridiculous wrong it’s not even funny….. teams are planning 2-3-4-5 rounds ahead. i Know for a fact, that players are contacted and told we will draft you in this round if you’ll sign for this.. and that round is 2-3 rounds out.…. its all too common especially when teams are trying to draft guys below slot… you really think they call and in 10 mins work a below slot value you deal? And 10 mins is way longer that how quick those picks were coming out…. Basically everything you said about that is dead wrong.
also yes the portal does reopen in the fall. But you can’t enter the portal once the athletic season starts and be able to play in that same season… without a release or a waiver. Jordan would have to sit a season if he came back and entered the portal to transfer….. unless msu decided to sign off on him leaving which there was a 0 percent chance of that happening.
again you should probably look some of this up before spouting it off as viable options
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Your reading comprehension continues to fail spectacularly. Not sure why I was surprised.
I never said teams couldn’t talk to players before the draft. Quite the opposite actually. Teams can ask questions of what the players need to sign. But, they can’t make promises of paying X amount at X draft position….because that’s actually entering into negotiations with a prospect when you don’t have the rights to do so, because you haven’t drafted them. I don’t have to look anything up because what you are suggesting undermines the entire purpose of the draft. This ain’t free agency. Teams talk to players representation numerous times before the draft. They know everyone’s bottom line number well in advance. Therefore they know signability of every player. That’s all they need to know ahead of time to proceed. When they’re on the clock and things change but they still might be close, they can ask more questions to understand if there’s wiggle room. But they can’t make offers ahead of time.
Just think about what you are suggesting. Example….Oakland A’s have the #1 overall pick, but the smallest bonus pool. Tampa Bay has the #2 overall pick and the largest bonus pool. A’s on clock, they want to draft Player X. They tell him they want to take him, and give him above slot, but not a lot above because they have limited funds. Player X says “nah, Rays have already guaranteed me more than that, so I won’t sign”. The team with literally the first pick could not take the player they want, and can afford, in the draft.
It’s tampering and defeats the entire purpose of having a draft if you allow those types of overtures to be offered.
I never said teams couldn’t talk to players before the draft. Quite the opposite actually. Teams can ask questions of what the players need to sign. But, they can’t make promises of paying X amount at X draft position….because that’s actually entering into negotiations with a prospect when you don’t have the rights to do so, because you haven’t drafted them. I don’t have to look anything up because what you are suggesting undermines the entire purpose of the draft. This ain’t free agency. Teams talk to players representation numerous times before the draft. They know everyone’s bottom line number well in advance. Therefore they know signability of every player. That’s all they need to know ahead of time to proceed. When they’re on the clock and things change but they still might be close, they can ask more questions to understand if there’s wiggle room. But they can’t make offers ahead of time.
Just think about what you are suggesting. Example….Oakland A’s have the #1 overall pick, but the smallest bonus pool. Tampa Bay has the #2 overall pick and the largest bonus pool. A’s on clock, they want to draft Player X. They tell him they want to take him, and give him above slot, but not a lot above because they have limited funds. Player X says “nah, Rays have already guaranteed me more than that, so I won’t sign”. The team with literally the first pick could not take the player they want, and can afford, in the draft.
It’s tampering and defeats the entire purpose of having a draft if you allow those types of overtures to be offered.
Again. It’s not tempering. And there are no rules against it
Teams confirm and reconfirm throughout draft about what kids will and won’t sign for. They don’t negotiate until well after the draft
San Fran telling Jordan that they plan to draft him with their second pick and give him second round money isn’t tampering. Teams calling Jordan in the late second round and third round asking if he’ll sign for slot… and him telling them no… because he knows San Fran is going to offer him second round money… again happens all the time
It’s no different than a blue jays calling a senior and saying that they plan to draft him in the 8th round and pay him 50k. And the marlins call him in the 6th and say will you sign for 20 if we draft you now.,,, happens all thru the draft and it’s not tampering.
Jordan knew.
and your portal scenario is dead wrong as well… but guess you knew that seeing you didn’t include any or that nonsense in this post
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