Kudos to Tyler Bratton
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Rules is Rules. Edited to add, it is supposed to be called immediately not after both girls crossed the plate.
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I love how everyone is commenting that it's obvious she left the bag early yet no camera angle shows that.
I also wonder how often this rule _should_ be called but isn't. Kinda like traveling before a layup gets ignored often.
I also wonder how often this rule _should_ be called but isn't. Kinda like traveling before a layup gets ignored often.
What rule is it? Something exclusive to softball I would presume. Its dumber that sh*t, whatever it is.
You can't lead off in softball. You can steal bases, but you must wait until the ball leaves the pitcher's hand.
I get why they have the rule. The distance between bases compared to baseball is much less but the reaction time for the catcher is going to be the same no matter how far it is between bases.
Okay. That seems like a fantastic rule to have then for any ball that is in play. Pretty dumb to apply it on a HR though.
Why wouldn’t you apply it in every situation? It’s a pretty simple rule. You leave early & you’re out. No different than an illegal block behind the play in football.
I was acquaintances with Tyler back in my days at State. I was friends with his roommates from West Point. Good bunch of guys and I’m glad to see Tyler have some success.
Maybe we need to get Tyler on the baseball staff. Need some of that fire 
in the baseball dugout
in the baseball dugout
To be clear, I think its dumb in all situations if there is no requirement to appeal it back to the base to get the out. I mean softball rules are supposed to be based on baseball rules, correct? You leave early, ball has to be thrown back to the base where they left early and base has to be touched by fielder to record the out. If a pitch is thrown before that happens, it moves forward to the next play and no appeal can be made. Just like a runner in baseball leaving early on a pop fly. This fixes the home run problem.
I get that there’s no “leave early” rule in baseball when it comes to a thrown pitch, but a pop fly is the closest thing and the same principle should apply. I can’t think of a single other instance in either sport where a base runner can be called out in a dead-ball situation…so it seems to be its own animal that was created just for softball. It’s unbelievably stupid that such a game altering call such as this could occur with the penalized team having gotten no advantage whatsoever from the play.
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The reason he was pissed is because that call is to be made immediately. Play stops because it's a dead ball. The 1B ump went to home plate and watched two girls cross the plate before he called it.
Why is our coach dressed like an umpire?
He played at State and was on the baseball staff afterwards. Seems like he was travel coordinator or something along those lines.Maybe we need to get Tyler on the baseball staff. Need some of that fire
This. Even if the base runner was the 3rd out, I think the HR should have counted. And I agree, the baserunner should have only been out had via appeal.
I get the runner on first was out. But would have been the second out of the inning?
if so, why doesn’t the hitter‘s run count?
if so, why doesn’t the hitter‘s run count?
Because its a very poorly thought out rule, that was also poorly called in this particular instance (if it even happened in the first place, which seems far from certain). Its supposed to be a dead-ball out, meaning the pitch the HR was hit on technically never even happened.
The only comparable analogy I can imagine, a QB throws an 80 yard TD pass. TD is signaled by the back judge and no whistle ever blows until the receiver crosses the goal line. As the XP team is running onto the field, a the line judge throws a flag and says there was a false start on the play, and none of it counts.
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No, it's a dead as soon as the girl leaves early. The at bat continues.
There's nothing wrong with the rule. They'd never finish a game if leaving early wasn't called. You'd have so many appeals games would get stupid. You'd have girls leaving early a ton of appeals were limited too. This isn't baseball.
But it should have been called immediately instead of waiting until they all crossed the bases.
Correct. You don't let them round the bases then call it. It was an odd situation. I've never seen it called on a homerun.
I think he was an unpaid assistant for a year and maybe the SID for a year or two, then went over to softball. I could be wrong, though.
Ok, correction to all this. I was wrong. I repeat, I was incorrect. I started thinking about it and realized NCAA rule is a delayed out. The defensive coach has the choice of taking the play or just taking the call. Obviously AR declined the play (HR). So the call was out at 1B. Batter goes back to original count. So, Bratton was upset with the call, not the delay.
By the way, the rule was applied in the UGA game just now and the result was a double play. Runner left early and the ball was caught.
Not sure anyone has seen it called on a HR before. Not sure it's applied correctly consistently.
By the way, the rule was applied in the UGA game just now and the result was a double play. Runner left early and the ball was caught.
Not sure anyone has seen it called on a HR before. Not sure it's applied correctly consistently.
Why would there be so many appeals? There aren’t tons of appeals in baseball on sac flys or guys not touching a base….happens once every now and again but not nearly as often as you insinuate.
And to be clear I’m talking about getting rid of the dead ball part entirely. Runner can leave early on every pitch if she wants, if she gets back to the bag before the ball gets thrown to the bag, its still fine. This is no different from baseball where you have the constant throws over to first base, except the runner wouldn’t have to be tagged for an out to be recorded.
Here's the replay below, looks like she left a little early, but, early is early and comments below it seem to agree. If you watch, the ump signals it right away for those that say it should have been called before batter ran the bases.......
Leaving Early?
THIS. The same that should have happened when we played at Tennessee. Our pitcher, whose name escapes me, tossed the ball into the dugout with runners on. Ump took it upon himself to award bases. That type of thing should've only happened if they brought it up. Just like appealing a runner missing a bag, or leaving early when tagging up.
This YouTube channel is pretty good for covering umpiring. Looks like she left split second early. Was a nit-picky call, but he signaled it in advance. Once you signal something like that, can’t take it back basically or he’d have a strong valid argument from Arkansas coaches.
I also see where Cooterpoot's coming from as well regarding endless appeals slowing down the game. But no way in Hell should that HR been erased. Maybe put a limit on lost appeals like HC's in football requesting 2nd looks at plays.
If my memory serves me correctly, this kind of rule is applied differently in little league.
You cannot leave the base until the ball crosses home plate. And if you leave early, you essentially become a ghost runner and are forced to whatever that ghost runner would have gotten to.
For example, let's say there's a runner on first and the batter hits a double. If the runner left early, then that runner would end up at third.
If the batter gets out, that runner goes back to first.
You cannot leave the base until the ball crosses home plate. And if you leave early, you essentially become a ghost runner and are forced to whatever that ghost runner would have gotten to.
For example, let's say there's a runner on first and the batter hits a double. If the runner left early, then that runner would end up at third.
If the batter gets out, that runner goes back to first.
Who is the moron looking like idiot escorting him out? If that is game management…. They need to find a better dress code.
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