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TiogaLion

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Thank you very much, Barry
Myself, moogy and a large portion of the McAn appreciate your effort.
Very Glad to see your next level donations achieved their goal, you had some heavy hitters in donations.
Tom
I'm lost on this one Step. Could you please explain.
 
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I was hoping you'd drop the other shoe. I read the complaint and can see why it took a bit to get that filed. Not much time until the ballots are out there so I guess the court is going to have to move fast. Let us know when you're going to be in front of the judge, it will be worth a run up to Bellefonte to listen to five of Jones Day top-billing litigators argue this, each billing the taxpayers $800/hr.
 

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Step, big law firms charge about $500 - $1,200 per hour. $20k doesn't cover very much.

We need about 1,000 people to each donate $250, and this may not even get it done.

Especially if Barry is properly censured and his licensing is stripped, as it should be, for making that completely fraudulent "goodwill" argument to try to advance his position. What little income he steals from his current unwitting clientele will be gone. Here's wishing scum like that nothing but the worst. The financial services community shouldn't have to suffer having charlatans and incompetents like Barry out there giving the rest of them a bad name. It's one thing to stridently advocate on behalf of others and/or in furtherance of a position ... it's quite another to intentionally lie and deceive in furtherance of such advocacy ... and, in doing so, show a lack of integrity within one's own career.

If anyone wants to advocate on JoePa's, or JoePa’s legacy's, behalf, and you want to do so in furtherance of "what's right," you can't attach yourself to Barry.
 
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Moogy

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Thank you very much, Barry
Myself, moogy and a large portion of the McAn appreciate your effort.
Very Glad to see your next level donations achieved their goal, you had some heavy hitters in donations.
Tom

Sad that you find Barry's willful deceit and/or gross negligence to be a laughing matter. If there was ever any question that Barry was a bad guy, the fake "goodwill" argument put that to rest.

It's hard to try to take the moral high ground with regard to JoePa and the BoT, when you're backing the guy who is actually lying to further his position.

If you think his awfulness doesn't matter, imagine someone advocating for righting some civil engineering wrong, and then arguing that some design process that would cause the collapse of bridges, is the proper way to go. Would you support that person, and just laugh off criticism?
 
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Step, big law firms charge about $500 - $1,200 per hour. $20k doesn't cover very much.

We need about 1,000 people to each donate $250, and this may not even get it done.
Well Tioga,
I'm 25% short of that but will make it up this round if needed.
Barry explained his approach & contact with the law firm, I just don't remember. However, the law firm may be charging a minimum downpayment, then $$ contingent on the outcome.
ask Barry....
tom
 

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Sad that you find Barry's willful deceit and/or gross negligence to be a laughing matter. If there was ever any question that Barry was a bad guy, the fake "goodwill" argument put that to rest.

It's hard to try to take the moral high ground with regard to JoePa and the BoT, when you're backing the guy who is actually lying to further his position.

If you think his awfulness doesn't matter, imagine someone advocating for righting some civil engineering wrong, and then arguing that some design process that would cause the collapse of bridges, is the proper way to go. Would you support that person, and just laugh off criticism?
So sorry Moogy, thought you were an alumni....

“… Granting this injunction serves the public interest by preventing the potentially retaliatory termination of a Trustee based on those Trustees inquiries regarding the operation of the public university he serves. Denying the injunction and allowing Plaintiff’s removal would re-cast a shadow over the financial operations of Defendants, to the detriment of every PSU stakeholder except those at the very top of the PSU hierarchy."
 

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Somebody didn’t have their bottle warmed to the right temperature this morning …
 

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So sorry Moogy, thought you were an alumni....

“… Granting this injunction serves the public interest by preventing the potentially retaliatory termination of a Trustee based on those Trustees inquiries regarding the operation of the public university he serves. Denying the injunction and allowing Plaintiff’s removal would re-cast a shadow over the financial operations of Defendants, to the detriment of every PSU stakeholder except those at the very top of the PSU hierarchy."
I'm quite sure I am an alum. Proud. And that has absolutely nothing to do with Barry disgracing his profession, and the concepts of honor and integrity. But if you want to support a proven incompetent lying self-serving awful human, you keep supporting Barry. He just needs to throw on his Cheeto makeup to complete his character arc.
 
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Especially if Barry is properly censured and his licensing is stripped, as it should be, for making that completely fraudulent "goodwill" argument to try to advance his position. What little income he steals from his current unwitting clientele will be gone. Here's wishing scum like that nothing but the worst. The financial services community shouldn't have to suffer having charlatans and incompetents like Barry out there giving the rest of them a bad name. It's one thing to stridently advocate on behalf of others and/or in furtherance of a position ... it's quite another to intentionally lie and deceive in furtherance of such advocacy ... and, in doing so, show a lack of integrity within one's own career.

If anyone wants to advocated on JoePa's, or his legacy's, behalf, and you want to do so in furtherance of "what's right," you can't attach yourself to Barry.
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I'm quite sure I am an alum. Proud. And that has absolutely nothing to do with Barry disgracing his profession, and the concepts of honor and integrity. But if you want to support a proven incompetent lying self-serving awful human, you keep supporting Barry. He just needs to throw on his Cheeto makeup to complete his character arc.
Why single Barry out here? Are there any BoT members that are not proven incompetent lying self-serving awful humans? 🤔 😕
 

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Why single Barry out here? Are there any BoT members that are not proven incompetent lying self-serving awful humans? 🤔 😕

I REALLY don't understand how you can even make this comment.

Barry's the only BoT member ... that I know of ... that posts here. He's also the only one that has posted so hatefully in the past ... and present. He's also the only one that keeps using this board to further his own personal agenda, beg for money (that he should have), and to present arguments that are complete and total lies (and show direct professional incompetence) .. and he's using those arguments to try to change people's opinions and solicit said begged-for monies.

If any of the others act in a similar manner in a similar venue, I'll hold them accountable, just the same.
 
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Why single Barry out here? Are there any BoT members that are not proven incompetent lying self-serving awful humans? 🤔 😕
Why are you discussing anything with the biggest a-hole on any board. Just put him on ignore.

Barry, is the ONLY Trustee that has even attempted to perform his fiduciary responsibilities. People like Moogy are disgusting.
 

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Why are you discussing anything with the biggest a-hole on any board. Just put him on ignore.

Barry, is the ONLY Trustee that has even attempted to perform his fiduciary responsibilities. People like Moogy are disgusting.

People like Moogy are actual moral individuals and upstanding members of the community, who actually care about the education of our children. People like Moogy are not obsessed with a man and a mythology to the point where we create, in our mind, an evil cabal of individuals upon which to unleash unfounded rage, while we proudly abandon those children we pretend to care about. People like Moogy don't beg for money to further their own personal agenda. People like Moogy don't lie and claim that goodwill is a balance sheet item for PSU (when it CAN NOT BE, and anyone who even took an intro to accounting course would know this ... let alone a competent "financial advisor" ... leaving you only two choices - he's either grossly incompetent in his financial knowledge, or he's willfully lying to try to trick others into buying a false argument, and also donating money to his cause ... if the former option, he's also not just generally financially incompetent, but he's absolutely in no position to be able to opine on the correctness of any BoT financial decisions, as he lacks even cursory knowledge you'd expect from a layperson), therefore PSU should have foregone a huge cash influx for some fantastical pie in the sky that has no basis in reality. People like Moogy are the good guys.
 
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I REALLY don't understand how you can even make this comment.

Barry's the only BoT member ... that I know of ... that posts here. He's also the only one that has posted so hatefully in the past ... and present. He's also the only one that keeps using this board to further his own personal agenda, beg for money (that he should have), and to present arguments that are complete and total lies (and show direct professional incompetence) .. and he's using those arguments to try to change people's opinions and solicit said begged-for monies.

If any of the others act in a similar manner in a similar venue, I'll hold them accountable, just the same.
I'm not giving the others the benefit of the doubt.

Just because we are aware of Barry's posts and actions doesn't mean he is better or worse than the others' actions that we may not be aware of.
 
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Why are you discussing anything with the biggest a-hole on any board. Just put him on ignore.

Barry, is the ONLY Trustee that has even attempted to perform his fiduciary responsibilities. People like Moogy are disgusting.
If I start putting posters on ignore, I'm doing this wrong.

I don't get too upset about it. For all I know this whole board is one kid with 400 handles... and me.
 

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I'm not giving the others the benefit of the doubt.

Just because we are aware of Barry's posts and actions doesn't mean he is better or worse than the others' actions that we may not be aware of.

Wut?

Your original statement was "Are there any BoT members that are not proven incompetent lying self-serving awful humans?"

So there, you acted as if all other BoT members are PROVEN incompetent lying self-serving awful humans.

Now, you seem to be indicating that, because we're not aware of any others' actions, that we shouldn't condemn Barry for his ACTUAL bad actions?

Neither thing you're saying makes sense, even though they're both conflicting/incongruent.

Howsabout we just hold people accountable for their actions?
 
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People like Moogy are actual moral individuals and upstanding members of the community, who actually care about the education of our children. People like Moogy are not obsessed with a man and a mythology to the point where we create, in our mind, an evil cabal of individuals upon which to unleash unfounded rage, while we proudly abandon those children we pretend to care about. People like Moogy don't beg for money to further their own personal agenda. People like Moogy don't lie and claim that goodwill is a balance sheet item for PSU (when it CAN NOT BE, and anyone who even took an intro to accounting course would know this ... let alone a competent "financial advisor" ... leaving you only two choices - he's either grossly incompetent in his financial knowledge, or he's willfully lying to try to trick others into buying a false argument, and also donating money to his cause ... if the former option, he's also not just generally financially incompetent, but he's absolutely in no position to be able to opine on the correctness of any BoT financial decisions, as he lacks even cursory knowledge you'd expect from a layperson), therefore PSU should have foregone a huge cash influx for some fantastical pie in the sky that has no basis in reality. People like Moogy are the good guys.



People like Noogy are ....
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TiogaLion

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If I start putting posters on ignore, I'm doing this wrong.

I don't get too upset about it. For all I know this whole board is one kid with 400 handles... and me.
When you engage with people like Moogy you're doing it wrong. To ignore someone you don't have to put them on ignore, just don't engage them, which is essentially the same as ignore.
 
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SleepyLion

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Wut?

Your original statement was "Are there any BoT members that are not proven incompetent lying self-serving awful humans?"

So there, you acted as if all other BoT members are PROVEN incompetent lying self-serving awful humans.

Now, you seem to be indicating that, because we're not aware of any others' actions, that we shouldn't condemn Barry for his ACTUAL bad actions?

Neither thing you're saying makes sense, even though they're both conflicting/incongruent.

Howsabout we just hold people accountable for their actions?
I don't know if other BoT's post here...
Actions they have made out side of this board (like at actual BoT meetings) have shown that they are not much different than what we have seen posted here by a know BoT.
 

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I don't know if other BoT's post here...
Actions they have made out side of this board (like at actual BoT meetings) have shown that they are not much different than what we have seen posted here by a know BoT.
Anthony Lubrano used to post here every now and then, I haven't seen anything in awhile from him especially now that the BOT seems to be intent on taking him out as well.
 

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I don't know if other BoT's post here...
Actions they have made out side of this board (like at actual BoT meetings) have shown that they are not much different than what we have seen posted here by a know BoT.
Lubrano, Short for a start
I believe there are more.
 
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I don't know if other BoT's post here...
Actions they have made out side of this board (like at actual BoT meetings) have shown that they are not much different than what we have seen posted here by a know BoT.
So all the BoT members have shown they are completely ignorant of the basics of their profession, or are willing to lie entirely about the basics of their profession to create an argument in an attempt to rile folks up against legitimate BoT actions? Do tell.

This is a pretty simple situation that folks are trying to obfuscate in order to continue ignoring malfeasance ... either you give a crap about right and wrong, or you support Barry. This is irrespective of how evil, or not evil, anyone else is.

Every other BoT member could be killing cute lil puppies and weaving them into fur coats, calling themselves Cruella de BoardoTrustees, and that wouldn't change the fact that Barry is either woefully incompetent or a legitimately bad person (or both). And we've definitely seen Barry's transgressions.
 
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I want better for PSU. I’m such a dickhead. 😞

Glad to have you on board. What's better for PSU is not obsessing over JoePa, and not allowing the topic to derail the governance of the institution, and not painting everyone who doesn't worship as you do as a bad person trying to bring the university down from the inside.

What's better for PSU is $50M in naming rights to help fund a stadium renovation. What's not better is no money, and only being given some story about they're convinced they could have ... but didn't ... raise more money ... and then launching into a diatribe about JoePa yet again, showing that your interests aren't about proper governance, but simply about JoePa. What's not better is, after launching into that off-topic diatribe, then trying to justify that diatribe by hypothesizing that goodwill is a balance sheet item for PSU and that justifies no money, but stories of possible money ... even though, by definition, goodwill can never be a balance sheet item for PSU.

Better for PSU is doing things for PSU, not trying to derail everything so we can talk about JoePa some more.
 
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Glad to have you on board. What's better for PSU is not obsessing over JoePa, and not allowing the topic to derail the governance of the institution, and not painting everyone who doesn't worship as you do as a bad person trying to bring the university down from the inside.

What's better for PSU is $50M in naming rights to help fund a stadium renovation. What's not better is no money, and only being given some story about they're convinced they could have ... but didn't ... raise more money ... and then launching into a diatribe about JoePa yet again, showing that your interests aren't about proper governance, but simply about JoePa. What's not better is, after launching into that off-topic diatribe, then trying to justify that diatribe by hypothesizing that goodwill is a balance sheet item for PSU and that justifies no money, but stories of possible money ... even though, by definition, goodwill can never be a balance sheet item for PSU.

Better for PSU is doing things for PSU, not trying to derail everything so we can talk about JoePa some more.


Reminder Folks:

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Ignore Noogy don't respond.
 
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