Let’s analyze our portal losses…

Tngamecock

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Out of 10, there’s 3.5 of them it would have been nice if they had stayed. 6.5 you really don’t care. Overall we are in good shape.
 

18IsTheMan

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Yeah, it's not so bad from a production standpoint. Even with Bell and Lloyd, we aren't losing tons of production. Lloyd was healthy here for all of 7ish games. As others have noted about Bell, he is crazy athletic, but doesn't have a true position.
 

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I want to win the next game we play. After that, my concerns will turn to roster replenishment. It will have to be creative and well-considered, finding diamonds in the rough. We can't go toe-to-toe with the big NIL machines if that's what it's coming down to. Folks should not be deceived. We are not a major NIL player.
 

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Yeah, it's not so bad from a production standpoint. Even with Bell and Lloyd, we aren't losing tons of production. Lloyd was healthy here for all of 7ish games. As others have noted about Bell, he is crazy athletic, but doesn't have a true position.
It was up to us to fix that. We didn't do it.
 

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Exactly. They should have been using him like UGA uses Brock Bowers. They do anything to get Bowers looks - and probably have 10 plays that are just for him. Satterfield's best idea to get Bell touches was to just put him at RB and hand it to him to run up the middle.
Except he's not built like Bowers. He's a tweener and his ego outweighed his production for most of the season. We don't need guys like that. I go back to the Clemson game on the last drive... it's on film... when the game was on the line and we needed a first down, our PLAYERS said give the ball to Juice. That speaks volumes.
 

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I want to win the next game we play. After that, my concerns will turn to roster replenishment. It will have to be creative and well-considered, finding diamonds in the rough. We can't go toe-to-toe with the big NIL machines if that's what it's coming down to. Folks should not be deceived. We are not a major NIL player.
College football has fundamentally changed. Going forward there are going to be about 10 programs that will be at the top year in and year out. We are not one of those programs. South Carolina's goal should be to become a solid second tier program that has a puncher's chance against the elite programs. Carolina doesn't have the cachet, tradition or donor base to draw blue chip recruits in like the big boy programs can. The "diamonds in the rough" you speak of will be key. Beamer had better have a staff of analysts combing the high school ranks for the kids that play great but are overlooked by the recruiting services and under the radar of the top programs.
 

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Except he's not built like Bowers. He's a tweener and his ego outweighed his production for most of the season. We don't need guys like that. I go back to the Clemson game on the last drive... it's on film... when the game was on the line and we needed a first down, our PLAYERS said give the ball to Juice. That speaks volumes.
Georgia has two unicorns at TE. Bowers has TE size and blazing speed, serious WR speed. The other TE, Washington I think, has O tackle size and can catch the ball and run with it. I think Bell would have been best as a slot receiver or line him up at TE and put him in motion and force a LB to cover him.
 

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Georgia has two unicorns at TE. Bowers has TE size and blazing speed, serious WR speed. The other TE, Washington I think, has O tackle size and can catch the ball and run with it. I think Bell would have been best as a slot receiver or line him up at TE and put him in motion and force a LB to cover him.
We have one of those like Washington in Tonka Hemingway!
 

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College football has fundamentally changed. Going forward there are going to be about 10 programs that will be at the top year in and year out. We are not one of those programs. South Carolina's goal should be to become a solid second tier program that has a puncher's chance against the elite programs. Carolina doesn't have the cachet, tradition or donor base to draw blue chip recruits in like the big boy programs can. The "diamonds in the rough" you speak of will be key. Beamer had better have a staff of analysts combing the high school ranks for the kids that play great but are overlooked by the recruiting services and under the radar of the top programs.
Actually, that would be an improvement. In recent years there have been about four teams that dominated.
 
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College football has fundamentally changed. Going forward there are going to be about 10 programs that will be at the top year in and year out. We are not one of those programs. South Carolina's goal should be to become a solid second tier program that has a puncher's chance against the elite programs. Carolina doesn't have the cachet, tradition or donor base to draw blue chip recruits in like the big boy programs can. The "diamonds in the rough" you speak of will be key. Beamer had better have a staff of analysts combing the high school ranks for the kids that play great but are overlooked by the recruiting services and under the radar of the top programs.

What do you mean it's fundamentally changed?!? It's always been about 10 programs that are at the top year in and year out.

Literally nothing has changed. Alabama, clem, Southern Cal, Ohio State, LSU, Michigan, Georgia (and a handful of others that come into the fold like Auburn, Tennessee, FSU, Miami, Texas, etc.) - these teams have been the power brokers for decades and it will remain that way. Nothing has changed. They always spent more money on their programs, so they always got the recruits. If anything, teams like Alabama and Georgia may not be able to stockpile 5-star running backs as they might be able to get more cash from another school that is just looking for one five-star RB.
 
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College football has fundamentally changed. Going forward there are going to be about 10 programs that will be at the top year in and year out. We are not one of those programs. South Carolina's goal should be to become a solid second tier program that has a puncher's chance against the elite programs. Carolina doesn't have the cachet, tradition or donor base to draw blue chip recruits in like the big boy programs can. The "diamonds in the rough" you speak of will be key. Beamer had better have a staff of analysts combing the high school ranks for the kids that play great but are overlooked by the recruiting services and under the radar of the top programs.
We're about to go into a 16-team league without divisions. If we could become a fixture in the top eight - not the top four, but the top eight - it would be a mammoth accomplishment.
 
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What do you mean it's fundamentally changed?!? It's always been about 10 programs that are at the top year in and year out.

Literally nothing has changed. Alabama, clem, Southern Cal, Ohio State, LSU, Michigan, Georgia (and a handful of others that come into the fold like Auburn, Tennessee, FSU, Miami, Texas, etc.) - these teams have been the power brokers for decades and it will remain that way. Nothing has changed. They always spent more money on their programs, so they always got the recruits. If anything, teams like Alabama and Georgia may not be able to stockpile 5-star running backs as they might be able to get more cash from another school that is just looking for one five-star RB.
IMO the teams will change more than likely....you will have Oregon, TAMU, UCLA, Stanford, etc. replacing teams like Clemson, FSU, etc. It will be teams with a lot of big money alumni donors over those who wielded power within a conference but are in smaller, poorer states without a large big money alumni base.
 
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What do you mean it's fundamentally changed?!? It's always been about 10 programs that are at the top year in and year out.

Literally nothing has changed. Alabama, clem, Southern Cal, Ohio State, LSU, Michigan, Georgia (and a handful of others that come into the fold like Auburn, Tennessee, FSU, Miami, Texas, etc.) - these teams have been the power brokers for decades and it will remain that way. Nothing has changed. They always spent more money on their programs, so they always got the recruits. If anything, teams like Alabama and Georgia may not be able to stockpile 5-star running backs as they might be able to get more cash from another school that is just looking for one five-star RB.
To a large extent, I agree many/most of the traditional power brokers will continue to be the power brokers going forward. But I think the NIL and transfer situation has the potential to concentrate the talent even more. The Alabamas, Ohio States, and Georgias of the college football world have always gotten their share of 5* players, but the rest of the programs also pulled in the occasional superstar or found those diamonds in the rough. In the NIL world, I think it's very unlikely Clowney would choose SC, NKemdiche would choose Ole Miss, Darren McFadden would choose Arkansas, etc. That talent likely gets concentrated even more with the blue bloods. Perhaps even worse, those unheralded 3-star players that end up becoming superstars at non-blue-blood programs will now be under tremendous pressure to transfer to high-NIL programs like Texas A&M and Texas.

Plenty of non blue-blood programs out there have the occasional run that generates a 10-win season or two because they happen to catch lightning in a bottle with the right collection of talent. I can see that getting a lot tougher in this new world of college football.
 
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So do you think we should recruit players from the portal ourselves since they quit their former teams? Because if we don't be the only team not trying.

Will have to out just plain necessity now since College fb players are on 1 year contracts. This Frankenstein experiment will eventually lead to programs shutting down.
 

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Except he's not built like Bowers. He's a tweener and his ego outweighed his production for most of the season. We don't need guys like that. I go back to the Clemson game on the last drive... it's on film... when the game was on the line and we needed a first down, our PLAYERS said give the ball to Juice. That speaks volumes.
Yes, your last comment was absolutely true. In the huddle during the TO, you can hear “get the ball to Juice”, or something very similar coming from our OL. Maybe that hurt Lloyd’s feelings? Lol
 

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There’s only one Bowers. Incredible combination of speed and size. Bell’s speed is nowhere close to Bowers.On Lloyd. He concerno me cause I fear he’s whispering Maryland into the ears of two top recruits.
 

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It has sounded worse than it looks on paper.
Says every fan base.

I find it interesting how Beamer is suddenly sending out all the Welcome Home tweets without naming the player. Me thinks it’s all to divert attention away from the decommits and portal exits (and DL). SB has learned how to play this game
 

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Says every fan base.

I find it interesting how Beamer is suddenly sending out all the Welcome Home tweets without naming the player. Me thinks it’s all to divert attention away from the decommits and portal exits (and DL). SB has learned how to play this game

Possibly. Could it be that you don't want to affect the early signing period with transfer announcements?
 
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Possibly. Could it be that you don't want to affect the early signing period with transfer announcements?
A coach keeping quiet for that reason would be dishonest, no?

I don't think that’s the reason. I think he simply wants the kid(s) to have his moment. But, the fact he’s sending out all of those WH messages, in the manner he is doing it, indicates to me it’s a deflection. As a I said, he’s learned to play the game to divert an upset or anxious fanbase onto another scent.
 

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A coach keeping quiet for that reason would be dishonest, no?

I don't think that’s the reason. I think he simply wants the kid(s) to have his moment. But, the fact he’s sending out all of those WH messages, in the manner he is doing it, indicates to me it’s a deflection. As a I said, he’s learned to play the game to divert an upset or anxious fanbase onto another scent.

Don't disagree at all.

As far as playing the game of saving announcers till after signing day? One could use the word "dishonest", or one could say "shrewd, calculating, etc".

I would call it a Grey area.
 
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except that Coach Beamer has done the tweets exactly like this from the moment he stepped on campus. When a player commits to him, he tweets a "Welcome Home!".

It is still an NCAA violation for him to name a kid by name until they have signed so he can't specify who it was, even if he wanted to. It also lets the kid have their moment to announce how they see fit once they decide to go public.
 
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