Let's say this year that Jarvis averages....
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though how high are defensive players usually drafted? I'm sure some go pretty high, but on the whole, it's offense that opens the scouts eyes.
he should. I have talked to a few people and he is tipping the scales at around 220 now. He was 205 at the end of last year. He has to become an outside threat to play in the NBA in my opinion. His low post scoring skills seam to be limited. What would he play in the NBA? Forward I assume?
If he does that, he better go while the $$ is good.
He could get drafted on his potential alone.
He has a huge upside...
SWAT has no outside game and I don't expect him to learn one under Stans.
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He could get drafted on his potential alone.
He has a huge upside...
SWAT has no outside game and I don't expect him to learn one under Stans.
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Varnado is an interesting case when it comes to the NBA. He protect the rim very well and despite being only 6'9 has the wingspan of a 7 footer.
His defense alone will get him drafed at some point - the question is if he can break into the 1st round.
At 6'9 he's small for a center and he's also rail thin and not very strong meaning there is no way he can bang with a lot of NBA centers/forwards. He has zero outside game so he can't play the 4. Some guys kinda like him have done ok in the NBA once they've put on some weight. To mind come S. Dalembert of Philly and Theo Ratcliff, both are taller and a little heavier. Biedrins from GS is another similar player in that he has no offense. but rebounds and blocks shots well.
If he measures a solid 6'9 and gets up to about 240+ and can put together 10 points, 9 boards, 4 blocks a game I think he can get a late first round guarantee on someone wanting to take a chance on a shot-blocker.
I agree he should test the waters after this year regardless.
His defense alone will get him drafed at some point - the question is if he can break into the 1st round.
At 6'9 he's small for a center and he's also rail thin and not very strong meaning there is no way he can bang with a lot of NBA centers/forwards. He has zero outside game so he can't play the 4. Some guys kinda like him have done ok in the NBA once they've put on some weight. To mind come S. Dalembert of Philly and Theo Ratcliff, both are taller and a little heavier. Biedrins from GS is another similar player in that he has no offense. but rebounds and blocks shots well.
If he measures a solid 6'9 and gets up to about 240+ and can put together 10 points, 9 boards, 4 blocks a game I think he can get a late first round guarantee on someone wanting to take a chance on a shot-blocker.
I agree he should test the waters after this year regardless.
<div class="scrolling"> <div> I think you are dead wrong about scouts and defensive specialist versus offensive big men. I can tell you if you can dominate "the paint" like JV has shown by his shot blocking ability, they'll be jumping over the moon to draft him. Big men who play defensive with shot blocking ability are much harder to find than scoring points. The NBA can find scorers easy, it's the JV types they want. Remember Jarvis is very young still, he will improve every year and his upside is bigger than any big man we have every had at Msu.
His gonna be a 1st rounder if he doesn't get hurt, he's gonna make a lot of money playing basketball one day, plus he has shown some ability and athletic skills on offense, his best days are ahead for his future. </div> </div>
His gonna be a 1st rounder if he doesn't get hurt, he's gonna make a lot of money playing basketball one day, plus he has shown some ability and athletic skills on offense, his best days are ahead for his future. </div> </div>
with the LBJ Camp stuff, etc.. It might be his best move. And don't underestimate Jarvis's ability to knock down shots from the outside. It's not the shot the coaches want him taking, but he isn't bad from mid-range. His technique looks awful, but I expect his game to be improved in all facets this coming season.
And while we're talking basketball... Dee Bost is on campus and, from what I hear, looked good dishing the ball to his new teammates in a few pickup games. We'll see in a few months if he's ready for the competition.
And while we're talking basketball... Dee Bost is on campus and, from what I hear, looked good dishing the ball to his new teammates in a few pickup games. We'll see in a few months if he's ready for the competition.
plus he may be listed at 6'9" but his arm span is "long" plus he can really jump with a lot of "junk in his pants". His upside is the thing, plus being laid back and humble is a plus for the NBA scouts. He should be a better pro than Dampier, not sure how long he will play but he will be a millionaire soon.
bonedaddy401 said:
he has to become an outside threat? if he is actually going to become an outside threat, then he needs to keep his *** on campus for another 4 years and just work on his shot. if he is going to become an outside threat, then there is no way in hell he is declaring next season.
as for his low post skill being limited...if you call that limited, then his current outside skills are totally nonexistent.
if he declares next season and actually stays in, he may get drafted, but it wouldnt be smart for the long term.
the guy has obviously developed late and is still coming into his frame. with that comes learning how to use his body on both ends of the court. he needs to stay for as long as he can to improve his release, his low post positioning, and his defense so when he plays guys that can overpower him and lean into him down low he doesnt just jump into the air and foul.
oh, and i almost forgot that he needs to stay the next two years to develop into that outside threat you talked about.</p>
basedog said:
I think he will make an NBA roster, but to say he will have a better career than Dampier is quite a statement. Dampier is an 11 year NBA vet with the type of body that doesn't come along that often. He's one of the only guys in the league that can guard Shaq type players (despite what Shaq says.) Dampier really clogs the middle when he's in the game. I hope Varnado can do that on the next level, but it will be much harder for him given his build.
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Marcus Camby. He doesnt have quit the polish around the rim that Camby has but matches his body type and Jarvis's frame will allow him to bulk up more than Camby. He defainly has his shot blocking skills and could with work and positioning be as good a rebounder.
If you want to know what a presence Dampier had, here is my personal experience with Eric. I am 6'3", which is nothing by basketball standards but I am no midget. I was walking through the union and my buddy said damn he is tall. I was like who. He was so tall and bulky that I completely missed him, when we walked by. I turned around and looked up and was like damn.
Having said that, it may have ruined the rest of my college experience with basketball. During my freshman year, we go to the Final Four. The city goes nuts. You had people hanging out of their dorm rooms, riding up and down 12 on the top of their vehicles. The entire city goes to stand in the rain at the Golden Triangle airport to welcome the team back. We lost two players to the NBA, two players to Graduation and one to jail. Over the next four years, we never sniff the NIT. But if I had to chose between 5 consistent years of basketball or one trip to the Final Four, I would take that run to the Final Four every time. In a five game stretch, we beat 3 teams that had been number one in the country at some point in the season: Kentucky, Cincinatti and UConn. The only bad part about the UConn game was that while listening to the broadcasters, you would have thought that Ray Allen was coaching both State and UConn while playing a game of one on five against State.
Having said that, it may have ruined the rest of my college experience with basketball. During my freshman year, we go to the Final Four. The city goes nuts. You had people hanging out of their dorm rooms, riding up and down 12 on the top of their vehicles. The entire city goes to stand in the rain at the Golden Triangle airport to welcome the team back. We lost two players to the NBA, two players to Graduation and one to jail. Over the next four years, we never sniff the NIT. But if I had to chose between 5 consistent years of basketball or one trip to the Final Four, I would take that run to the Final Four every time. In a five game stretch, we beat 3 teams that had been number one in the country at some point in the season: Kentucky, Cincinatti and UConn. The only bad part about the UConn game was that while listening to the broadcasters, you would have thought that Ray Allen was coaching both State and UConn while playing a game of one on five against State.
mstateglfr said:
He should go on his potential, if he waits and works on his outside shot and it never comes he will end up in Europe playing as a center.
I would love for him to stay around another year, but he should take the money and run while the hype is there..
Just ask Mario and LR.
SWAT's game is raw and he has a big upside, the NBA loves projects like him.</p>
http://www.sportsline.com/collegeba...tory/10890685/1
The byproduct was one of the neater scenes I've seen in a while, specifically 20 of the nation's best college basketball players, in town for the second annual LeBron James Skills Academy, running pickup games with and against the men who finished second (Paul) and fourth (James) in this year's NBA MVP voting.
It was cool. And that it happened in the Rec Center at Akron made it even cooler given how there were dozens of normal students who entered the facility to run or swim or play ping-pong and ended up watching two of the best basketball players in the world.
"I just thought it was an intramural tournament or something," said Akron student Vaughn Fox, who stepped off a treadmill to watch. "I couldn't believe it."
Want to know something else unbelievable?
The five-man team led by James and Paul lost.
Three times, in fact.
Swear to LeBron, a team featuring Paul and James -- plus Cavs rookie Darnell Jackson -- won four games and lost three, and this does not bode well for our Olympic dreams, I don't think. Furthermore, if this is the result when James plays with other great players perhaps Cleveland general manager Danny Ferry is doing the right thing by surrounding his star with garbage, but that's another column for another day.
Anyway, the group that gave Team James-Paul the most trouble was comprised of Jonny Flynn (Syracuse), Patrick Beverley (Arkansas), Patrick Christopher (California), Terrence Williams (Louisville) and Jarvis Varnado (Mississippi State). They went 2-2 against Team James-Paul and created memories they seemed to cherish immediately.
I figured they were just letting the other teams win and then at the end of the article:
And despite my earlier crack about the Olympics, I must tell you it was impossible to watch all this go down and not walk away feeling optimistic about the future of USA Basketball as long as James and Paul are involved.
Why?
Because they seem to genuinely care.
And they don't seem to handle losing well.
Proof of this came during one of the last games, when James wasn't just attacking the rim but also complaining to an official about getting fouled on his way. James looked just as intense in this pick-up game as he does during the NBA playoff games and was visibly disgusted every time he lost. It was refreshing, in a way. And when I asked Paul whether it was strange to see James so focused and serious, he shook his head side-to-side and answered simply.
"We always go hard," Paul said. "Now we just have to figure out how to win more."
The byproduct was one of the neater scenes I've seen in a while, specifically 20 of the nation's best college basketball players, in town for the second annual LeBron James Skills Academy, running pickup games with and against the men who finished second (Paul) and fourth (James) in this year's NBA MVP voting.
It was cool. And that it happened in the Rec Center at Akron made it even cooler given how there were dozens of normal students who entered the facility to run or swim or play ping-pong and ended up watching two of the best basketball players in the world.
"I just thought it was an intramural tournament or something," said Akron student Vaughn Fox, who stepped off a treadmill to watch. "I couldn't believe it."
Want to know something else unbelievable?
The five-man team led by James and Paul lost.
Three times, in fact.
Swear to LeBron, a team featuring Paul and James -- plus Cavs rookie Darnell Jackson -- won four games and lost three, and this does not bode well for our Olympic dreams, I don't think. Furthermore, if this is the result when James plays with other great players perhaps Cleveland general manager Danny Ferry is doing the right thing by surrounding his star with garbage, but that's another column for another day.
Anyway, the group that gave Team James-Paul the most trouble was comprised of Jonny Flynn (Syracuse), Patrick Beverley (Arkansas), Patrick Christopher (California), Terrence Williams (Louisville) and Jarvis Varnado (Mississippi State). They went 2-2 against Team James-Paul and created memories they seemed to cherish immediately.
I figured they were just letting the other teams win and then at the end of the article:
And despite my earlier crack about the Olympics, I must tell you it was impossible to watch all this go down and not walk away feeling optimistic about the future of USA Basketball as long as James and Paul are involved.
Why?
Because they seem to genuinely care.
And they don't seem to handle losing well.
Proof of this came during one of the last games, when James wasn't just attacking the rim but also complaining to an official about getting fouled on his way. James looked just as intense in this pick-up game as he does during the NBA playoff games and was visibly disgusted every time he lost. It was refreshing, in a way. And when I asked Paul whether it was strange to see James so focused and serious, he shook his head side-to-side and answered simply.
"We always go hard," Paul said. "Now we just have to figure out how to win more."
David Stern: "With the first pick in the 2009 NBA Draft... the New York Knicks select...... Forward Jarvis Varnado from Mississippi State University"
Think about it........ I know I have.
Think about it........ I know I have.
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