LOL Schill and Gragg (NW President and AD)
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Yeah, the current rush to judgment with everything these days is a big problem. The source for all of this is student journalists and whatever information they could get from current/former players. Not to say student journalism is shoddy and that there isn't a lot of alleged damning evidence, but jeez, whatever happened to due diligence and corroboration? I'd suspend pending an investigation.
Agree
That said, I doubt that "student journalism" had much - if anything - to do with the sudden change of heart from a two week unpaid vacation to a firing.
Well, it was their story but I agree - pressure came from elsewhere...
1-11 last season opposite huge facility spending didn’t help Fitzgerald’s cause.
If he were 11-1 last season it would have all been a terrible misunderstanding.
If Northwestern were 11-1 last season, what hazing?
It sounds very familiar doesn't it....there is more to this story then is being revealed. Wait for it and do not rush to judgement. It all sounds pretty convenient especially with the enormous investment that has been made and committed to the program. Not passing the smell taste. You spend lord knows what to have an investigation done. Its submitted and you suspend a guy for 2 weeks based on this report. then allegations come to light and you fire the guy? Come on, man.
I find it amazing that accomplished university presidents and boards have such lack of common sense when it comes to crisis management. Coach should have originally been suspended indefinitely. You then let the media have it's feeding frenzy and in a week to 10 days the scum suckers will have followed blood somewhere else. This is a bigger loss for NW than for Fitz. He will resurface quickly. Probably in the NFL. He was likely the only coach who would treat NW as a destination job.
If the most sensational accusations are even remotely true.....what happens to the team leaders??? They must be headed for the portal. Will NW field a team? Another thing that I haven't heard anyone touch on.....the source for driving the nails in PF's coffin was the NW student newspaper. My recollection is that there has always been hostility between athletics and that publication.
If he were 11-1 last season, this board would have lost their colletive sh&t if that one loss was not to PSU.
If so, how did a six month investigation warrant an agreed upon 2 week suspension and 2 days later lead to dismissal? One of those decisions had to be terrible......
And an abysmal season the year prior, no? This smacks of buyer’s remorse on a 10-year deal at a time when programs were writing absurd checks. This is why I think in the end, Fitz sees every dime he wants from the contract. It’s just a matter of whether he’s willing to settle on middle ground.
If Northwestern went 11-1 they'd be trading a hazing investigation for an NCAA investigation on how the heck they managed 11-1
Really? Then why did they agree to a 2 week suspension initially? Frankly, I think the NW administration has made itself a laughing stock.
Devil's advocate here. What would happen if the entire team bolts, including the managers?
Maybe they thought they’d give him two weeks, everything would blow over, and then they’d go on like nothing happened. But something actually did happen and it came back to bite ‘em on the you know where? Whatever did happen, I don’t disagree with your take on the NW admin.
Is there much portal demand for managers?
I don't think they expected any information on the findings beyond the gibberish in their initial statement to come out. Don't ask me why anyone would think that, but the only thing that happened between the suspension and the firing was the publication of the article by the student newspaper. To this point, it's been one blunder after another.
While it would make for some interesting developments it won't happen. Where would they go? Who has scholarships for them now. Plus, not much real talent there to be sought after.
Holy cow, what a mess.
Interesting to see the players and alumni seem to be behind Fitz all the way. Glowing comments about his compassion, work ethic, leadership and abilities.
Then I read the awful sexual abuse accusations and I’m left not understanding how that could happen without his knowledge? I want to see all the facts come out.
I understand Fitz hired a top law firm and he will be attacking his dismissal with cause. I don’t see how any man could take this assault on his character, even if $42 million was not involved?
Fitz was Northwestern football. I think he had five 9 win seasons there, more than all the past Northwestern coaches combined. Given their academic standards and their recruiting limitations, and their lack of football heritage, his results were fantastic.
I wil watch what happens now. Due to the timing, the disenchantment of players and coaches, and a coaching search, there is a chance, a small one, that this football season for them could be in jeopardy.
What happens if a B1G team fails their contract commitments? Could we see them become a U of Chicago and dump the sport? Could the B1G members say adios? Does the membership drop to 15, leaving an immediate opening for a Notre Dame, Washington, or just maybe Stanford?
Interesting to see the players and alumni seem to be behind Fitz all the way. Glowing comments about his compassion, work ethic, leadership and abilities.
Then I read the awful sexual abuse accusations and I’m left not understanding how that could happen without his knowledge? I want to see all the facts come out.
I understand Fitz hired a top law firm and he will be attacking his dismissal with cause. I don’t see how any man could take this assault on his character, even if $42 million was not involved?
Fitz was Northwestern football. I think he had five 9 win seasons there, more than all the past Northwestern coaches combined. Given their academic standards and their recruiting limitations, and their lack of football heritage, his results were fantastic.
I wil watch what happens now. Due to the timing, the disenchantment of players and coaches, and a coaching search, there is a chance, a small one, that this football season for them could be in jeopardy.
What happens if a B1G team fails their contract commitments? Could we see them become a U of Chicago and dump the sport? Could the B1G members say adios? Does the membership drop to 15, leaving an immediate opening for a Notre Dame, Washington, or just maybe Stanford?
IMO only perhaps 10 or 12 players could find scholarships elsewhere due to the combination of the impending start of camp and the overall level of roster talent. My guess is NW football will survive. However, recruiting is going to take a severe hit. 2-10 seasons will be the norm for awhile.
Yes, obviously it won't happen but it was more of a what if question than a serious one if a team banned together over a perceived egregious injustice. I was just curious as to what the conference and school would do if a team had zero players two months before the season begins. Looking around the country and seeing the way things can change in a heartbeat in areas where those changes were thought "impossible" just a few years ago then nothing would be beyond the realm of possibility. Oh well, it was just a thought during my mid-summer boredom stage, carry on!
Once again, I present a different scenario. Perhaps, just perhaps the “journalists” at the school paper and the few disgruntled players were used as pawns by influential alums and power brokers who actually wanted Fitz gone. Simply because they reached a decision that he couldn’t produce the results they desired or expected. (Like this has NEVER happened in several other segments of our society). In any event which ever is correct, the immediate caving in by the NU feckless administration was something either side relied on.
Step, you omitted schools such as Stanford, Vanderbilt, Rice and the Ivy’s. Of course bye including them as comparable educational institutions you must then exclude Pitt.Pitt, Duke, Wake Forest & similar schools
Unless they walk on, they likely won't find a spot on any of those teams you mentioned. Maybe the NCAA makes exceptions like they did for PSU players in 2012? Rosters are maxed out at 85 scholarships for the 2023 season at 99% of the schools. Or they can also just sit out a year and wait until the 2024 season.Pitt, Duke, Wake Forest & similar schools
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