Looks like Brown & Wesley got

TilloDawg · May 2, 2008

their day in court today.......sentencing is on Tuesday.

http://mississippistate.scout.com/2/752128.html

TilloDawg · May 2, 2008

their day in court today.......sentencing is on Tuesday.

http://mississippistate.scout.com/2/752128.html

TilloDawg · May 2, 2008

their day in court today.......sentencing is on Tuesday.

http://mississippistate.scout.com/2/752128.html

jwbigcreek · May 2, 2008

took up for Wesley too much. Wonder what their sentences will be. I would expect Brown's to be pretty light as a first time offender.

FlabLoser · May 2, 2008

"This is what I wrote down, but are not his exact quotes."

What the hell kind of statement is that? As if.."hey, I just write the articles" WTF...

Todd4State · May 2, 2008

OK, this is my take, and you have to understand that I usually don't take up for these idiots, but to me, it seems like Brown should have a very light sentence, like probation or something like that.

I know he made a mistake, and he has admitted as such, and I understand that it's illegal and all that, but the guy has never done anything other than this in his life, and I guarantee that he wouldn't do it again. Fortunately no one was hurt. This is a case of someone using poor judgement and it would be a shame if his life is screwed up because of this.

Also, this Anthony Devine guy- what about him? This guy must be a pretty bad dude to be staring down football players and the players feel threatened enough by him to fire guns to scare him off.

I guess we'll see what happens Tuesday, but I'm afraid it won't be good with the judge talking about how serious guns on campus are with the VT incident.

dawgatUSM · May 2, 2008

Todd4State said:
OK, this is my take, and you have to understand that I usually don't take up for these idiots, but to me, it seems like Brown should have a very light sentence, like probation or something like that.

I know he made a mistake, and he has admitted as such, and I understand that it's illegal and all that, but the guy has never done anything other than this in his life, and I guarantee that he wouldn't do it again. Fortunately no one was hurt. This is a case of someone using poor judgement and it would be a shame if his life is screwed up because of this.

Also, this Anthony Devine guy- what about him? This guy must be a pretty bad dude to be staring down football players and the players feel threatened enough by him to fire guns to scare him off.

I guess we'll see what happens Tuesday, but I'm afraid it won't be good with the judge talking about how serious guns on campus are with the VT incident.

I'm with you. Everything I've ever read on Mike has been nothing but good before this incident. However, I was pissed as ever at all these people about this, but now that i know the story of what exactly happened, I can have a little bit more understanding. I know that if a guy pulled up that I had just seen loading a gun and looking at me, I would have shot at the guy and not in the air... I don't care if it's on a school or not. For the record, the people that founded this country said we have the right to protect ourselves with the use of guns, and I don't understand why that's not applied to school campuses (obviously there needs to be a license and all that but that's not the point). Seeing as Brown was simply trying to protect something else from happening, I think the judge should use a little discretion in this case.

ArrowDawg · May 3, 2008

In Mike's case, it appears as it's a simple situation of a good guy who made a bad mistake. Most people do at least one really stupid thing in their life. I know I have. I think, and I hope for his sake, that he gets probation. In the long run, nobody or nothing was hurt except for his credibility, which he has to spend the rest of his life regaining. He's very talented, and I'd hate to see another tragic waste of talent in prison when he could be playing in the NFL next year.

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saddawg · May 3, 2008

Here is my take on this. I can't defend them stupidly firing the guns on campus. You don't shoot unless you are shot at.

That said, I will strongly defend their right to have the guns. I keep a gun in my vehicle at all times. I believe it is a right granted to me by the 2nd amendment. I'm sure I have driven thru many places that it is against the local law to have a gun in your vehicle. I'd rather take my chances with these bogus laws than have some crack head try to jack me when I have nothing but my dick in my hand. I admit, I make Reagan look like a liberal. I'm pretty right wing. However, I think the 2nd amendment trumps any local law.Therefore if I am ever charged with possession of a firearm, I will spend every dime I have in court arguing for my right to have that gun. As Churchill said, "an armed society is a polite society." That teacher at Pearl broke the "law" by having a gun on campus. He also detained that psycho that had just shot up and killed people at that High School.

shaschboy · May 3, 2008

Everyone should be able to keep a firearm without harrassment. Unfortunately, after the campus shootings i.e. Va. Tech, the authorities in charge aren't going put up with any crap that involves guns on campus. You can't expect liberal professors who definately don't believe in our rights to bear arms to let stuff like this go down without a statement being made.

8dog · May 3, 2008

but the law is what it is so you can't break it just b/c you disagree with it.

I think this was obviously a horrible error in judgment. I think it speaks well that Brown doesn't have a prior record. I love how Gene says that Wesley "only" has one prior charge.

saddawg · May 3, 2008

I'm NOT breaking a law. The 2nd amendment says my right to bear arms "shall not be infringed." If a locality makes a law forbidding me from having a gun, it infringes on that right. 2nd amendment trumps local law.

seawaterland · May 3, 2008

That's why this law is BS. I hope this Devine get his. Sounds like he is a trouble maker.

thatsbaseball · May 3, 2008

during the three hour period between the stare-down and shoot-up to defuse the situation. A grand jury is covening in July and the rest of this case will be turned over to it. IF Pegues actually made a call and a coach <17>ed this thing up by not doing his due-diligence to find out what the hell was going on and get this thing stopped before it got out of hand then he`s as big a culprit as anyone involved. IF the call took place and IF the grand jury really digs into this it`ll be interesting .

js290 · May 3, 2008

8Dog said:
but the law is what it is so you can't break it just b/c you disagree with it.

That has to be the most un-American thing I've ever read. Why do you hate America?

vandaldawg · May 3, 2008

If we could just have more guns and build more roads, then we could drive and shoot our way out of the messes we have made for ourselves.

TDAWG.sixpack · May 3, 2008

Where is this story of what "supposedly" happened? I have been trying to keep up with the latest, but I find myself far behind the rest of yall on updates.

TDAWG.sixpack · May 3, 2008

I couldn't find it at first but got it now. If that is even close to the case then i would probably have reacted in the same way.

They should take Brown and Wesley to the Shooting range and give them a single shot to hit the target. If they hit the target then they can hit the car, so they must have been shooting in the air.

Maroon Eagle · May 3, 2008

shaschboy said:
Everyone should be able to keep a firearm without harrassment. Unfortunately, after the campus shootings i.e. Va. Tech, the authorities in charge aren't going put up with any crap that involves guns on campus. You can't expect liberal professors who definately don't believe in our rights to bear arms to let stuff like this go down without a statement being made.

It's not a liberal issue. It's a safety issue and more importantly a Money issue because people will think the campus isn't safe.


If people think the campus isn't safe, then they won't recommend that people attend college at that institution. If people don't attend that college, the college gets less money from students, students' families, and if the college is publicly funded, less money from the state as well.

wpnetdawg · May 3, 2008

A local law is constitutional until a higher court says it is not.

saddawg · May 3, 2008

State was real unsafe back in '88 when almost every dude had a shotgun or rifle in their dorm or frat house room and truck or car.. Give me a break.

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson

He also said that the beauty of the 2nd amendment was we don't need it unless somebody tries to take it away.

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SnakePlissken · May 3, 2008

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KurtRambis4 · May 3, 2008

thatsbaseball said:
IF Pegues actually made a call and a coach <17>ed this thing up by not doing his due-diligence to find out what the hell was going on and get this thing stopped before it got out of hand then he`s as big a culprit as anyone involved.

oh please let this be true and woody be the one that was involved....

TR.sixpack · May 3, 2008

How in the hell is the coach liable?

I talked to someone at UPD after the incident, and he seemed to think it was just bad luck. By the time the coach got to where the players were, they left and went to another location. The cop I talked to seemed to think the coach and Pegues were trying to be peacemakers, but they waited too long to call him.

vandaldawg · May 3, 2008

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lawdawg02 · May 3, 2008

the right to bear arms doesn't mean you have a right to tote around your gun of choice. it is well settled that states can have and enforce their own laws concerning the carrying of weapons. what you are talking about has more to do with keeping weapons at home. arguments have been made that the framers intended the right to apply to individual's homes.

watch the supreme court in DC v. heller. you should read up on it - i am sure you'd find it interesting.

JR · May 3, 2008

He is on campus, and his first reaction instead of running inside and calling the police is to run and get his gun.

He has got to be gone....cause 2nd amendment or not, I dont think thats the type of behavior we want to promote on campus.

DerHntr · May 3, 2008

On March 27th current football players Anthony Johnson and De'Mon Glanton were at a BP convenience store just off campus

yet another reason why i told my wife to never go to that BP night or day. it has been a thug hang out since the day i arrived in Starkville. i am pretty sure it is where a gun fight broke out last year between rival "gangs" from surrounding towns. i put gangs in quotes because it is really laughable that anyone from West Point, Starkville, Maben, etc. would believe they are part of some badass gang.

i hate that these guys made the mistake of firing a gun on campus but there were so many other options available to them. they should be punished just like the rest of us on this board would be punished. i don't particularly care if they were playing sports, if they had a chance at NFL contracts, etc. it doesn't matter a bit to me.

i simply hope the judge takes into account that these guys were doing something stupid rather than something malicious like at Va Tech. this is a far cry from the actions taken at Va Tech.

the questions i am left with after reading the article:

1. who is this Devine character mixed up with on the team? they all apparently knew who he was, what his car looked like, etc. what exactly is the bad blood all about? it makes me wonder if some of the players were mixed up in some type of criminal activity and that is why it was never reported to the police or coaches about this bad blood. could be buying some pot from the guy..who knows.

2. is Devine banned from coming on campus or is he at least harassed to no end by the cops if they see him on campus?

3. can't we all just get along?

edit to say: i clearly like guns and the 2nd amendment but even i am smart enough to drive by the house prior to coming to campus to drop off the guns, bows, etc. it's not that damn hard to do.

Todd4State · May 3, 2008

I'm thinking that this Devine dude is some kind of gang leader/drug dealer.

Most people I know don't want to try to take on football players- especially after seeing Jamar Chaney and Derek Pegues absolutely lay some people out. And most people that do look at them like they want to take them on are usually douchebags that they just laugh off. They obviously feared this guy for some very good reason.

DerHntr · May 3, 2008

i can't say that i know what i would do in there situation because i don't know who they were trying to protect by not calling the cops. the bad blood bit is the factor that isn't covered enough in this whole story for me. what they did was still wrong no matter the issue at hand though.

i was working at a restaurant and brought several waitresses back to the house one night. trying for one girl and hoping for a 4 way but of course my game only got me one. no big loss until one of the girls (one not participating in relations with me) got a phone call from her crazy boyfriend. apparently he was riding up and down campus looking for our vehicles and he had a gun with him...for me. so i just called the cops. told the bitches (not the willing one) to get out of my room. situation over. and i had a bow in the room (not that it would have done any good) and knew of another guy with a shotgun in his room for squirrel hunting but it didn't even cross my mind to walk out of the house and shoot into the air. maybe i was a ***** that night but i was still in school the next day...and had at least one girl stayed the night.

graddawg · May 3, 2008

the point that was made between me and my friends after the whole incident came to light. From what I can gather, Devine is a local drug dealer, which makes the fact the football players were/are caught up in some "bad blood" with him that much more concerning. At the time of the incident there were some very telling pictures of some of the players involved on facebook that have since been taken down. I'm convinved that happened because a member of this board, not me, emailed some of the coaches alerting them to these pics. I feel bad for these guys and really hate it for the rest of the team, but there are some circumstance surrounding the whole thing that aren't being made public.

JohnDawg · May 3, 2008

"At the time of the incident there were some very telling pictures of some of the players involved on facebook that have since been taken down."

Do tell, do tell. What were the pictures of and who?

DerHntr · May 3, 2008

from Starkville Daily News today. crappy paper but has some other info in it.

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Two former Mississippi State football players tearfully begged for leniency from a Circuit Court judge as both entered guilty pleas on weapons possession charges stemming from a March 27 incident in which gunshots were fired outside a campus dormitory.

Former MSU offensive tackle Michael Brown, 22, of College Park, Ga., and former defensive lineman Quinton Wesley, 21, of Atlanta, Ga., both appeared in Circuit Court Friday afternoon to enter guilty pleas on individual charges of possession of a firearm on educational property, which is a felony offense.

But Judge Lee Howard held off handing down a sentence for the two former Bulldogs, who both had waived indictment on the charges and agreed to plead guilty by way of criminal information. Howard, after hearing nearly two hours of testimony from witnesses on Brown's behalf and Brown himself and then statements by Wesley and his attorney, said he would hand down their sentences at 1:30 p.m. Tuesday after reviewing the case file, which included numerous character reference letters for both.

Brown and Wesley, who were expelled from the MSU football team and the university following their arrests, were charged in an incident at around 9:30 p.m. March 27 near Hurst and Ruby residence halls in the Northeast Residence Hall Village on campus.

MSU Police Department Lt. Don Bartlett, while being questioned on the witness stand by Assistant District Attorney Frank Clark, said the two players had individually fired .38-caliber handguns as two vehicles - a maroon 1995 Chevrolet Caprice with the Budweiser beer logo on it and a "bluish-silver" 1989 Caprice Classic drove between Ruby and Hurst halls.

The players, who were on separate ends of the residence hall complex, were acting in reaction to a 6 p.m. incident at the BP convenience store on East Lee Boulevard just off campus in which individuals in those two cars displayed a handgun in a threatening manner in front of two other football players, Anthony Johnson and De'Mon Glanton, Bartlett said. No one was hit by the gunshots, Bartlett said.

Both then attempted to dispose of the weapons - Brown at the University Commons apartment complex and Wesley at the College Station apartment complex after he initially tried to dispose of the shell casing and gun in the wooded area north of the Northeast Village parking lot, Bartlett testified. Both players cooperated with police as the investigation ensued, Bartlett said.

"This is a regrettable situation and could have been 100 percent prevented," Bartlett said on the witness stand Friday. "I am convinced that if the earlier incident at the BP store had been reported to the proper authorities, this could have been avoided."

Both Brown - who testified in his own behalf - and Wesley - who made a statement before Howard - said they were remorseful over their roles in the incident.

Brown had difficulty answering Clark's questions about why he went to get a handgun after the incident at the BP station and answered after Howard asked him, saying that he panicked, but had no intention of hurting anyone.

"If I could take back that night and do it all over again, I would," said Brown, who is living with his mother, Gussie Pollard in Georgia and taking course from the University of Phoenix online. "I made a stupid decision, real stupid decision."

"I have made a terrible error in my life and I have learned from it and continue to learn from it," said Wesley, who announced his intentions to enroll at Hampton University if he receives probation. "Just give me another chance, please, your honor."

Brown's mother, family friend and former Atlanta City Councilman Robert Pitts and MSU football team offensive line coach J.B. Grimes all testified on his behalf about Brown's regret over the incident. Attorney Roy Perkins, representing Brown, and attorney Jay Perry, representing Wesley, both argued before Howard that the latter grant their client's non-adjudicated probation, which means the crime would be expunged from their records if the probation is complete. The charge of possession of a firearm on educational property carries a maximum sentence of up to 3 years in prison.

Howard said he wanted time to mull the evidence before making a decision.

"The Court does not like to make hasty decisions," Howard said."We do live in a post Virginia Tech world. Guns on campus are bad and deadly things."

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Maroon Eagle · May 3, 2008

saddawg said:
State was real unsafe back in '88 when almost every dude had a shotgun or rifle in their dorm or frat house room and truck or car.. Give me a break.

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson

 He also said that the beauty of the 2nd amendment was we don't need it unless somebody tries to take it away.

True. But these are different times. People are real concerned about safety issues with regard to being at schools and colleges.

And you can thank the Clery Act for that.

saddawg · May 3, 2008

Yes it does. Again I quote from Jefferson.

The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
--Thomas Jefferson

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson

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