Mafah/Shipley or Klubnik?

[18IsTheMan]

Who is the bigger key to stop for Clemson? Many Clemson fans are still sore from last year's game, believing if Dabo had only kept putting the ball in Shipley's hands, they would have won. I'm inclined to think Dabo will lean into that this time around. Do we sell out to stop the run? I'm not sure Klubnik is good enough to beat us on his own. His best single-game completion percentage (outside of Charleston Southern) was against GaTech (67.6%).. He's at 63.5% on the season with 19 TDs and 7 INTs. Rattler, against stiffer competition, is 70.6% with the same TD/INT #s.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Who is the bigger key to stop for Clemson? Many Clemson fans are still sore from last year's game, believing if Dabo had only kept putting the ball in Shipley's hands, they would have won. I'm inclined to think Dabo will lean into that this time around. Do we sell out to stop the run? I'm not sure Klubnik is good enough to beat us on his own. His best single-game completion percentage (outside of Charleston Southern) was against GaTech (67.6%).. He's at 63.5% on the season with 19 TDs and 7 INTs. Rattler, against stiffer competition, is 70.6% with the same TD/INT #s.

Stiffer competition yeah but I’m afraid some are underestimating that defense. They are statistically really really good. I don’t like their d line vs our oline. They are just as good if not better than Kentucky and so are their backs. I’m glad it’s at home at night.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I’m glad it’s at home at night.

Oh, lawd, that comment just woke up Mr. Whiney Pants. He'll be in here b****ing about night games being irrelevant.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Stiffer competition yeah but I’m afraid some are underestimating that defense. They are statistically really really good. I don’t like their d line vs our oline. They are just as good if not better than Kentucky and so are their backs. I’m glad it’s at home at night.

Their D is stout. 10th nationally in pass defense.

 

[Deleted11512]

If we can slow their running game down and force them to pass, I think Klub will make mistakes in that environment. The toughest road game he's played in was a nooner in front of 60K at NCST.

I think that's going to be their gameplan...try to run it down our throats and just control the game. I don't think they're going to let Klub try to win it. IF they win, it will be because they let Shipley/Moofafoo do their thing.

 

[KingWard]

Shipley is the key.

 

[Deleted11512]

Shipley is the key.

Agree. Their fans are nuts. They constantly downplay the kid. If he enters the portal I'd be more than happy to take him. He's a baller.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Shipley is the key.

I do think he will personally come in on a mission as he probably feels the game was taken out of his hands last year. He had 8.8 ypc against us but Dabo oddly went away from him at key points. It was baffling.

 

[Taco73]

Their D is stout. 10th nationally in pass defense.

Yep if we can't run this is going to be a tall order.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Yep if we can't run this is going to be a tall order.

Run D is not quite as good, but still very good. Top 40 nationally I think.

 

[Guy in the Back]

Shut down the run. Klubnik will still get his because we do not cover well nor pressure well. However as the field shrinks coverage gets a little easier.
On offense, we need to get the ball out quick. Not sure we’ll have those long developing plays. I do think Rattler is good enough to negate that national ranking.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Shut down the run. Klubnik will still get his because we do not cover well nor pressure well. However as the field shrinks coverage gets a little easier.
On offense, we need to get the ball out quick. Not sure we’ll have those long developing plays. I do think Rattler is good enough to negate that national ranking.

Can we come up with someone besides Legette to catch the ball? To say he's our leading receiver would be a gross understatement. He has 1,187 yards. Our #2 receiver is a TE (Knox) with 312 yards.

 

[SSIGamecock]

Agree. Their fans are nuts. They constantly downplay the kid. If he enters the portal I'd be more than happy to take him. He's a baller.

Yes, definitely need to stop him. Mafah is less explosive, but ultimately, stopping the run game will make it much easier for us to win.

As for transfer portal on Shipley, I'd think he goes pro. He would definitely be a 3rd-6thish rounder and it's not like staying an extra year as an RB ever really helped anyone that much. Especially these days.

 

[Celtic Riot]

Who is the bigger key to stop for Clemson? Many Clemson fans are still sore from last year's game, believing if Dabo had only kept putting the ball in Shipley's hands, they would have won. I'm inclined to think Dabo will lean into that this time around. Do we sell out to stop the run? I'm not sure Klubnik is good enough to beat us on his own. His best single-game completion percentage (outside of Charleston Southern) was against GaTech (67.6%).. He's at 63.5% on the season with 19 TDs and 7 INTs. Rattler, against stiffer competition, is 70.6% with the same TD/INT #s.

I think the same game plan we had vs Kentucky has to be similar. Shut down some of the best backs in the SEC. However, all those guys that got behind our DBs we need to clean that up for sure.

 

[Prestonyte]

Shipley is the key.

Tackling Shipley low will be key as he has some upper body strength and moves, but if you notice, he is easily tripped up with low tackles.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I think the same game plan we had vs Kentucky has to be similar. Shut down some of the best backs in the SEC. However, all those guys that got behind our DBs we need to clean that up for sure.

Yeah, it gets lost in the fact that we won, but our DBs were beat badly a number of times and Leary just flat missed them. I know that won't be lost on our coaches though. I exhaled in relief a number of times after Leary missed some of those throws.

 

[Celtic Riot]

Yeah, it gets lost in the fact that we won, but our DBs were beat badly a number of times and Leary just flat missed them. I know that won't be lost on our coaches though. I exhaled in relief a number of times after Leary missed some of those throws.

I think Klubnik will miss too... I don't know if he will miss that many times. Heard any updates on Antonio Williams availability? Last I seen it was questionable vs us definitely available for he bowl.

 

[Deleted11512]

Their D is stout. 10th nationally in pass defense.

Eh, they've played some very bad offenses. 4 of their 9 P5 games were against pass offenses in the 100s. And Miami, while 39th nationally, was missing Van Dyke and started a true freshman. They did have a good game against UNC. I'll give them that.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Eh, they've played some very bad offenses. 4 of their 9 P5 games were against pass offenses in the 100s. And Miami, while 39th nationally, was missing Van Dyke and started a true freshman. They did have a good game against UNC. I'll give them that.

Hopefully that's all there is to it.

 

[Guy in the Back]

Can we come up with someone besides Legette to catch the ball? To say he's our leading receiver would be a gross understatement. He has 1,187 yards. Our #2 receiver is a TE (Knox) with 312 yards.

Gonna have to. I do think Simon is effective enough to make a difference. May be an opportunity for a breakout game for NH if they spent a lot trying to stop XL.

 

[Cackmandu]

They remind me of Missouri, scary they handled Unc like that!

 

[Clemson86]

Eh, they've played some very bad offenses. 4 of their 9 P5 games were against pass offenses in the 100s. And Miami, while 39th nationally, was missing Van Dyke and started a true freshman. They did have a good game against UNC. I'll give them that.

Drake Maye, Sam Hartman and Haynes King had their worst passer ratings of the season against Clemson. Those teams are 3, 45 and 30 in total offense. Hartman had twice the passer rating against Ohio St. that he had against Clemson (140 v. 70). Jordan Travis had his second worst rating of the season against Clemson. FSU is 17 in total offense. The worst rushing offense in that bunch is FSU at 62. USC is 126, though that number is somewhat skewed by the fact that Anderson has come on. He was MIA last weekend however. I think Clemson has a very good defense but you have the better QB and the better deep threat game, something Clemson lacks. But if USC doesn't get something going on the ground (125 bare minimum), Rattler won't have time to throw. If Klubnick can keep the noise out of his head and keep the defense rested I think Clemson will win a low scoring game, maybe 24-14. Clemson cannot win a shootout and USC won't win with 50 yards rushing.

 

[Irvin Snibbley]

It would seem Carolina has to do 3 things to be in the game.Limit the run game of Clemson as much as possible and hopefully force Klubnik to beat you with the pass....With a loud ,raucous crowd maybe he gets rattled.

Gotta win the turnover battle by a least 2.

Pass block effectively.

 

[Deleted11512]

Drake Maye, Sam Hartman and Haynes King had their worst passer ratings of the season against Clemson. Those teams are 3, 45 and 30 in total offense. Hartman had twice the passer rating against Ohio St. that he had against Clemson (140 v. 70). Jordan Travis had his second worst rating of the season against Clemson. FSU is 17 in total offense. The worst rushing offense in that bunch is FSU at 62. USC is 126, though that number is somewhat skewed by the fact that Anderson has come on. He was MIA last weekend however. I think Clemson has a very good defense but you have the better QB and the better deep threat game, something Clemson lacks. But if USC doesn't get something going on the ground (125 bare minimum), Rattler won't have time to throw. If Klubnick can keep the noise out of his head and keep the defense rested I think Clemson will win a low scoring game, maybe 24-14. Clemson cannot win a shootout and USC won't win with 50 yards rushing.

Well, your issue with me will be that I think Hartman and King suck. Good stats against terrible defenses, but they're garbage against ANYONE with a pulse.

Travis threw for his per game average against Clem. It wasn't very pretty or efficient, but that was also their toughest road environment of the year.

I've never understood the Maye love. But will give you credit for the job you did against UNC. I think your pass D is very good, don't get me wrong. Just saying the stats are a little inflated overall.

Seems to be a lot of cryptic comments about "getting important guys back" this week for USC. If Juice plays, you've got problems. I think you can do well enough in the secondary to win with just Legette. But having both of those guys out there at the same time are a problem. I don't think our staff will be focused on trying to get 125 rush yards. Personally I think they're going to abandon it all together like we did at the end of last year...especially if Juice is back.

 

[Deleted11512]

It would seem Carolina has to do 3 things to be in the game.Limit the run game of Clemson as much as possible and hopefully force Klubnik to beat you with the pass....With a loud ,raucous crowd maybe he gets rattled.

Gotta win the turnover battle by a least 2.

Pass block effectively.

This is it in a nutshell. It ain't rocket science. Although I'm not sure we need to win the TO battle by two. If we limit them in the running game and pass protect I don't think we'll need TOs.

 

[Prestonyte]

Eh, they've played some very bad offenses. 4 of their 9 P5 games were against pass offenses in the 100s. And Miami, while 39th nationally, was missing Van Dyke and started a true freshman. They did have a good game against UNC. I'll give them that.

UNC had 450 yds of offense and many plays greater than 20 yds. TO's in the red zone killed 'em.
Clem's defense wasn't great.

 

[gamecox4982]

can’t give up yardage on first downs - 3 or less and it’s a win

 

[Deleted11512]

UNC had 450 yds of offense and many plays greater than 20 yds. TO's in the red zone killed 'em.
Clem's defense wasn't great.

UNC busted some big runs. I'm not sure we'll be able to do that.

 

[18IsTheMan]

UNC busted some big runs. I'm not sure we'll be able to do that.

Yeah, they had a ton of rushing yards. 250 I think.

 

[Prestonyte]

UNC busted some big runs. I'm not sure we'll be able to do that.

Super Mario has shown he's capable - up to the OL to block some people and it can happen.

 

[Sardis-Flash]

Not worried about Shipley...once tackled falls backwards . Mafah....always falls forward . He is the problem .

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Yes, definitely need to stop him. Mafah is less explosive, but ultimately, stopping the run game will make it much easier for us to win.

As for transfer portal on Shipley, I'd think he goes pro. He would definitely be a 3rd-6thish rounder and it's not like staying an extra year as an RB ever really helped anyone that much. Especially these days.

You say that but mafah beats Shipley in every metric. Total attempts, ypc, total yards and touch downs. He also has the longest run. They are both good but from what I have seen mafah is better. He also has less fumbles.

He is also the bigger back. I don’t know if you have been paying attention as I have been watching them more the last couple weeks, mafah’s number gets called in the must need situations. He is the better back in my opinion and it appears that’s how the coaches feel as well. Think y’all are underestimating him.

 

[SSIGamecock]

You say that but mafah beats Shipley in every metric. Total attempts, ypc, total yards and touch downs. He also has the longest run. They are both good but from what I have seen mafah is better. He also has less fumbles.

this season he does etc, however, Shipley missed a game and was limited in 2 more due to injury, and he has more explosive runs. Plus Shipley is way move involved in the passing game.

Looking at the just the high level stats is not very telling IMO.

Also, they both have 3 fumbles. Fumbles lost is not a good way to compare them. They dropped the ball period.

And the experts seem to think Shipley is better per their draft predictions -
- Shipley 3rd round
- Mafah not on the radar

 

[AngloCock]

Who is the bigger key to stop for Clemson? Many Clemson fans are still sore from last year's game, believing if Dabo had only kept putting the ball in Shipley's hands, they would have won. I'm inclined to think Dabo will lean into that this time around. Do we sell out to stop the run? I'm not sure Klubnik is good enough to beat us on his own. His best single-game completion percentage (outside of Charleston Southern) was against GaTech (67.6%).. He's at 63.5% on the season with 19 TDs and 7 INTs. Rattler, against stiffer competition, is 70.6% with the same TD/INT #s.

The 3-3-5 is going to eat their lunch and slap their momma.

 

[Big JC]

I don't think Klubnik is going to beat anyone. He seems to make bonehead decisions in the game and his passing is above average but he isn't going to carve a defense apart. The Clemson running game is what will beat us if we can't stop it. If they can keep the chains moving and eat clock by running the ball and score instead of turning the ball over, we won't be able to match their scoring. We can't run the ball against a decent defense and Clemson's defense is more than decent.

The best chance of winning is to figure out how to grind clock, keep the game close, capitalize on a turnover or two and win late in a low scoring game.

 

[Clemson86]

Well, your issue with me will be that I think Hartman and King suck. Good stats against terrible defenses, but they're garbage against ANYONE with a pulse.

Travis threw for his per game average against Clem. It wasn't very pretty or efficient, but that was also their toughest road environment of the year.

I've never understood the Maye love. But will give you credit for the job you did against UNC. I think your pass D is very good, don't get me wrong. Just saying the stats are a little inflated overall.

Seems to be a lot of cryptic comments about "getting important guys back" this week for USC. If Juice plays, you've got problems. I think you can do well enough in the secondary to win with just Legette. But having both of those guys out there at the same time are a problem. I don't think our staff will be focused on trying to get 125 rush yards. Personally I think they're going to abandon it all together like we did at the end of last year...especially if Juice is back.

Rattler had the lowest passer efficiency rating of his career Saturday. I'm telling you this pretty young Clemson D has become pretty good.

 

[Clemson86]

UNC had 450 yds of offense and many plays greater than 20 yds. TO's in the red zone killed 'em.
Clem's defense wasn't great.

What you got now?

 

[mickray]

Same as it ever was. "Enjoy every sandwich".

 

[18IsTheMan]

Rattler had the lowest passer efficiency rating of his career Saturday. I'm telling you this pretty young Clemson D has become pretty good.

The D is pretty good, no doubt.

But they were going up against a team with a QB, one WR, no OL and no RB. Not very hard to defend that.

 

[HillsToSea]

The D is pretty good, no doubt.

But they were going up against a team with a QB, one WR, no OL and no RB. Not very hard to defend that.

Yes, they held SR in check better than any team. By far