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The Cooterpoot

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For you guys that work on your own cars, wait til you see parts costs. A part I could get for $300 last year is $1000 now. It's gotten wild between Covid and tariffs. I really don't know what folks are going to do between the price of housing and transportation. And the gas tax has fully hit yet either.
 
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It's not just auto parts. Mini split AC in wife's she shed started whining. I'm deaf but it had gotten to the point of being fingernails on a chalkboard to me. I really didn't want to mess with it. I was reasonably sure that it was a fan motor bearing. Call my AC company, guy comes out looks at it and confirmed fan motor bearing. Said he would get back to me with a quote. Later I get a quote for $1200 to replace the fan motor. This is a 12 year old unit so I ask if I'd be better off replacing the entire unit. I get a quote for $4300. Same company had installed the same unit for my neighbor a little over a year ago for $2600. So I sucked it up, ordered a fan motor on Amazon for $132, watched a YouTube video twice and fixed it in a couple of hours.
 

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It's not just auto parts. Mini split AC in wife's she shed started whining. I'm deaf but it had gotten to the point of being fingernails on a chalkboard to me. I really didn't want to mess with it. I was reasonably sure that it was a fan motor bearing. Call my AC company, guy comes out looks at it and confirmed fan motor bearing. Said he would get back to me with a quote. Later I get a quote for $1200 to replace the fan motor. This is a 12 year old unit so I ask if I'd be better off replacing the entire unit. I get a quote for $4300. Same company had installed the same unit for my neighbor a little over a year ago for $2600. So I sucked it up, ordered a fan motor on Amazon for $132, watched a YouTube video twice and fixed it in a couple of hours.
My experience with AC was pre-tariff. Had to replace AC units on either side of Covid and the difference in cost pre-covid to post-covid was unbelievable.
 

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For you guys that work on your own cars, wait til you see parts costs. A part I could get for $300 last year is $1000 now. It's gotten wild between Covid and tariffs. I really don't know what folks are going to do between the price of housing and transportation. And the gas tax has fully hit yet either.
I get it, but the cost of a part is way cheaper than the price of a new automobile. I have been slowly rebuilding my 2005 pickup over the last 2 years, I'm ~$4500 in with a few minor things left to do. It'll be essentially a new truck for under $7k. Plus, it'll be better than any new truck on the market today.
 
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My experience with AC was pre-tariff. Had to replace AC units on either side of Covid and the difference in cost pre-covid to post-covid was unbelievable.
The government changed the rules on what type of AC units can be installed and the coolant they use. So if you have an older unit and it’s to the point you need parts replaced on it, there are none and you have to get a whole new set up which cost stupid money. What’s even worse is the coolant they changed to is basically the same but with a different lubricant to be more “environmentally friendly”. The whole thing is a huge racket.

My next door neighbor owns an HVAC company so I get all the ranting from him.
 
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For you guys that work on your own cars, wait til you see parts costs. A part I could get for $300 last year is $1000 now. It's gotten wild between Covid and tariffs. I really don't know what folks are going to do between the price of housing and transportation. And the gas tax has fully hit yet either.
Try getting parts for farm equipment.

We had to replace a piece of steel tubing in our combines that wears over time from grain flowing over it. Used to cost about 650 dollars…..now it’s 2000 dollars. All the electronic components on our sprayer tips that go out from time to time 150 dollars 2 years ago are now nearly 500 a piece.
 

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The government changed the rules on what type of AC units can be installed and the coolant they use. So if you have an older unit and it’s to the point you need parts replaced on it, there are none and you have to get a whole new set up which cost stupid money. What’s even worse is the coolant they changed to is basically the same but with a different lubricant to be more “environmentally friendly”. The whole thing is a huge racket.

My next door neighbor owns an HVAC company so I get all the ranting from him.
They’ve done a similar thing with water heaters, except they did it awhile ago. Greatly reduced capacity of the tanks that you can buy unless you get a commercial version. I have a 20 year old unit that will be pryed from my cold dead fingers.
 
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The government changed the rules on what type of AC units can be installed and the coolant they use. So if you have an older unit and it’s to the point you need parts replaced on it, there are none and you have to get a whole new set up which cost stupid money. What’s even worse is the coolant they changed to is basically the same but with a different lubricant to be more “environmentally friendly”. The whole thing is a huge racket.

My next door neighbor owns an HVAC company so I get all the ranting from him.
If you want to piss him off, get a quote on what he'd charge to install a new HVAC system you bought from him that matches your existing unit. Be sure to ask how many guys and how many days it will take to install. Usually 1 & 1.

Then go to HVACdirect.com to see what you can buy it for yourself. My neighbor gave me a quote for $13,000 back in 2018. I bought it direct for $3500 and paid a dude $1000 cash to install it. When he started bìtching I told him "Ray, based on your quote, I could just give you $3000 to do nothing and still save nearly $5000. Your business model is flawed."

Ray did not like me much after that.

The markup between the local HVAC companies and distributors is unbelievable. >50% of your cost is marketing and lead generation. Builders pay 1/4-1/3rd of the price that a homeowner will for hvac. They buy equipment direct and pay a licensed installer for the install only.
 

Perd Hapley

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For you guys that work on your own cars, wait til you see parts costs. A part I could get for $300 last year is $1000 now. It's gotten wild between Covid and tariffs. I really don't know what folks are going to do between the price of housing and transportation. And the gas tax has fully hit yet either.
What $300 part is $1000 now?
 

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If you want to piss him off, get a quote on what he'd charge to install a new HVAC system you bought from him that matches your existing unit. Be sure to ask how many guys and how many days it will take to install. Usually 1 & 1.

Then go to HVACdirect.com to see what you can buy it for yourself. My neighbor gave me a quote for $13,000 back in 2018. I bought it direct for $3500 and paid a dude $1000 cash to install it. When he started bìtching I told him "Ray, based on your quote, I could just give you $3000 to do nothing and still save nearly $5000. Your business model is flawed."

Ray did not like me much after that.

The markup between the local HVAC companies and distributors is unbelievable. >50% of your cost is marketing and lead generation. Builders pay 1/4-1/3rd of the price that a homeowner will for hvac. They buy equipment direct and pay a licensed installer for the install only.
Yeah I don’t hire anyone that markets. You send me a shiny flyer and you are crossed off the list.
 
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For you guys that work on your own cars, wait til you see parts costs. A part I could get for $300 last year is $1000 now. It's gotten wild between Covid and tariffs. I really don't know what folks are going to do between the price of housing and transportation. And the gas tax has fully hit yet either.

I paid thirty something dollars for a belt at Napa a couple weeks ago for a vehicle I'm restoring.

Molded weather stripping for the four doors runs around $85/door.
 
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If you want to piss him off, get a quote on what he'd charge to install a new HVAC system you bought from him that matches your existing unit. Be sure to ask how many guys and how many days it will take to install. Usually 1 & 1.

Then go to HVACdirect.com to see what you can buy it for yourself. My neighbor gave me a quote for $13,000 back in 2018. I bought it direct for $3500 and paid a dude $1000 cash to install it. When he started bìtching I told him "Ray, based on your quote, I could just give you $3000 to do nothing and still save nearly $5000. Your business model is flawed."

Ray did not like me much after that.

The markup between the local HVAC companies and distributors is unbelievable. >50% of your cost is marketing and lead generation. Builders pay 1/4-1/3rd of the price that a homeowner will for hvac. They buy equipment direct and pay a licensed installer for the install only.
I got mine for at cost plus labor when it went out. I’m not going to be a díck and haggle with him more than that.
 

PooPopsBaldHead

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They’ve done a similar thing with water heaters, except they did it awhile ago. Greatly reduced capacity of the tanks that you can buy unless you get a commercial version. I have a 20 year old unit that will be pryed from my cold dead fingers.
I had to replace my 75 gallon water heater in my restaurant with a tankless because of the new code. So instead of $1200 it was $7200.

I will keep beating this dead horse, but 35% of the increase in housing costs since 2007 is directly related to codes.
 

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The government changed the rules on what type of AC units can be installed and the coolant they use. So if you have an older unit and it’s to the point you need parts replaced on it, there are none and you have to get a whole new set up which cost stupid money. What’s even worse is the coolant they changed to is basically the same but with a different lubricant to be more “environmentally friendly”. The whole thing is a huge racket.

My next door neighbor owns an HVAC company so I get all the ranting from him.
In my case it was same to same. Old unit replace in 2017, 2019 and 2021…:( 2021 was roughly double for the same tonnage
 
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Groceries have come down a little.
They’re still going up, just not at the rate they were a couple of years ago. YoY grocery inflation has been around 3 percent the last 4 months.

I think you’re going to see prices on vegetables and fruit go up pretty soon with tariffs and shortages due to labor issues. When you either deport or scare off the people that work to pick our domestic vegetable and fruit it tends to create a supply issue.
 

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They’re still going up, just not at the rate they were a couple of years ago. YoY grocery inflation has been around 3 percent the last 4 months.

I think you’re going to see prices on vegetables and fruit go up pretty soon with tariffs and shortages due to labor issues. When you either deport or scare off the people that work to pick our domestic vegetable and fruit it tends to create a supply issue.
Our cattle inventory is down and that's affecting beef prices. In a time like this we usually ease the supply shortage by importing more beef but I read that because of tariffs we shouldn't expect any price relief for at least another year OR MORE.
 
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Our cattle inventory is down and that's affecting beef prices. In a time like this we usually ease the supply shortage by importing more beef but I read that because of tariffs we shouldn't expect any price relief for at least another year OR MORE.
Imported beef is hard to come by with the ban on Mexican beef due to screw worm.
 

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They’re still going up, just not at the rate they were a couple of years ago. YoY grocery inflation has been around 3 percent the last 4 months.

I think you’re going to see prices on vegetables and fruit go up pretty soon with tariffs and shortages due to labor issues. When you either deport or scare off the people that work to pick our domestic vegetable and fruit it tends to create a supply issue.
I understand shrinkflation is accounted for in CPI reporting.
With that said, my family must be purchasing products that are in tracked categories, but aren't the specific products tracked.
...or 90% of what we buy isn't a tracked product/category.

It sure seems like more than 3% YOY increase this spring and summer.
 

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It's not just auto parts. Mini split AC in wife's she shed started whining. I'm deaf but it had gotten to the point of being fingernails on a chalkboard to me. I really didn't want to mess with it. I was reasonably sure that it was a fan motor bearing. Call my AC company, guy comes out looks at it and confirmed fan motor bearing. Said he would get back to me with a quote. Later I get a quote for $1200 to replace the fan motor. This is a 12 year old unit so I ask if I'd be better off replacing the entire unit. I get a quote for $4300. Same company had installed the same unit for my neighbor a little over a year ago for $2600. So I sucked it up, ordered a fan motor on Amazon for $132, watched a YouTube video twice and fixed it in a couple of hours.
Sounds like you use Rick from Honest HVAC.

 

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I was really hoping politicians would fix the economy in 6 months. Can't believe I'm disappointed again...
It’s almost like a mostly free market economy is dictated by the consumers and businesses and not necessarily the politicians.
 

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What $300 part is $1000 now?
This was a few years ago during COVID. Crankcase vent went bad on wife's Mercedes. I took it to a local import shop that I've used multiple times. He said that it's a common issue with Mercedes and he does about one a month. He warned me it was expensive. He was able to give me a quote off the top of his head. $375 for the part and 5 hours labor. He calls the next day and told me he couldn't find the part anywhere but he's still looking. He calls back and said he found one part at a dealership in California and they wanted $2700 for it and it was the only part in the US. They would not budge on the price. He adamantly refused to pay that and said he would keep looking. Took about a week but he finally found one at a NAPA in Ohio for $375.
 
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This was a few years ago during COVID. Crankcase vent went bad on wife's Mercedes. I took it to a local import shop that I've used multiple times. He said that it's a common issue with Mercedes and he does about one a month. He warned me it was expensive. He was able to give me a quote off the top of his head. $375 for the part and 5 hours labor. He calls the next day and told me he couldn't find the part anywhere but he's still looking. He calls back and said he found one part at a dealership in California and they wanted $2700 for it and it was the only part in the US. They would not budge on the price. He adamantly refused to pay that and said he would keep looking. Took about a week but he finally found one at a NAPA in Ohio for $375.
Lot of effort to set up a subtle brag that your ol' lady has a Mercedes.
 

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I was really hoping politicians would fix the economy in 6 months. Can't believe I'm disappointed again...
Is it gonna take more than politics to fix this. I wish I had the magic wand, but I don't. I told my mom about it the other day, and I said it feels like 1978. She agreed that things keep going up every week, no matter what they are.
 
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I understand shrinkflation is accounted for in CPI reporting.
With that said, my family must be purchasing products that are in tracked categories, but aren't the specific products tracked.
...or 90% of what we buy isn't a tracked product/category.

It sure seems like more than 3% YOY increase this spring and summer.
Oh I don’t disagree that there’s some things unaccounted for and 3% is still high for groceries. And there’s shrinkflation in literally everything now. From vegetables to snacks to frozen foods, there’s less in the bag than it was before.
 
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The Cooterpoot

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And I might as well rant a second about the ****** automobiles being put out these days. If it's not engine issues, it's all this sensor electronics BS. Toyota and Honda are it. The rest of the **** being built is trash!
 
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