Man, would be nice to have Rich Rod in his rising 3rd season right about now.......

[OG Goat Holder]

Could have picked him up after Leach died, or last year. 9-2 in Jax State's last year in FCS in 2022, made a bowl game last year, in the C-USA title game this year (playing tomorrow night). Niche offense. Experienced coach. Knows how to win. Knows the athletes it takes. Done it at multiple stops and multiple levels. Likely would have been his last stop. His offense is also tailor-made for the offensive players we can typically get.....road grade ahead, zig-zagging rushing attack that also opens up the pass game.

Many of us have been saying this for a while, including @Out of Bounds:

USM just got walloped - On3

I guess the only relief we can get is from the misery of others now.

www.on3.com

One thing that might make us football competitive....... - On3

Go find a triple option coach and work into it a passing game. It can be done and if done effectively, would be difficult for SEC powers to prepare for in just one week. We could recruit a nice stable of RBs and only need 2-3 stud receivers and a couple good TEs. A well-oiled triple option is...

www.on3.com

IU locks up Coach Cig - On3

with a contract extension, 8Mill/year with an annual 1 million dollar retention bonus through 2032.

www.on3.com

Current available coaches with a “niche” or “system” for our next head coach?

Since we’re near the bottom I’m our conference with regards to NIL money being spent on recruits and transfers, I agree with the notion that the route we need to commit to here is a system either in one or both sides of the ball that the opposition doesn’t see every week. Similar to a Leach or...

www.on3.com

Anyone know what our NIL budget is for ….. - On3

football? If I had to guess it’s in the 6-7 million per year range. Ole Miss is going to spend 14-16 million in NIL. Have no idea what the the other top SEC schools will spend but it’s in that range or some will spend more - A&M, Bama, UGA. Until someone puts a stop to this it’s an uphill...

www.on3.com

Instead we are over here firing our media people? What the literal 17?

Anyways, if I'm West Virginia, I know who I'm calling home (and he would not have left MSU for West Virginia, had we hired him).

 

[aTotal360]

I really liked him at WVU, but man he sucked at Michigan. I know "fit" is a big deal, but he had talent and couldn't win. Makes me wonder if his scheme would work consistently against teams with a good front 7.

Mirlin and Manny took his soul that glorious day in Jacksonville.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I really liked him at WVU, but man he sucked at Michigan. I know "fit" is a big deal, but he had talent and couldn't win. Makes me wonder if his scheme would work consistently against teams with a good front 7.

Mirlin and Manny took his soul that glorious day in Jacksonville.

3-9, 5-7, 7-5 (regular season), then the team he left went 10-2 the next year. Am I missing something? Not to mention he was hamstrung by the Michigan alumni the whole time, and like you said, he wasn't a fit. And remember, that was pre-portal, where niche offenses did take an extra year or so to get up and running.

Losing to us in 2010 isn't some damning phenomena. We had a great team, finished 15th overall with NFL players everywhere.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

I totally forgot he was fired at Arizona for supposed sexual misconduct.

 

[aTotal360]

then the team he left went 10-2 the next year. Am I missing something?

That's why I wonder if it's his scheme.

 

[Scottfield1]

3-9, 5-7, 7-5 (regular season), then the team he left went 10-2 the next year. Am I missing something? Not to mention he was hamstrung by the Michigan alumni the whole time, and like you said, he wasn't a fit. And remember, that was pre-portal, where niche offenses did take an extra year or so to get up and running.

Losing to us in 2010 isn't some damning phenomena. We had a great team, finished 15th overall with NFL players everywhere.

Yes you did miss something. You would’ve been calling for his head and and constantly posting about how you told everyone so after the first year’s losing season then the second losing season. You’re Idiocracy knows no bounds by pointing to a coaches fourth years success while demonizing ours for being hired a week before signing day and expecting to provide miracles. In today’s world, patience doesn’t exist with trolls like yourself. Dont let facts get in the way of an agenda. You’re just a complete douche bag. I’m not sure how Lebby will turn out but I have always believed this upcoming season will truly be his first.

 

[85Bears]

I’m hearing Joe Judge may be a candidate next time around

 

[StateCollege]

I’m hearing Joe Judge may be a candidate next time around

No you aren’t

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Could have picked him up after Leach died, or last year. 9-2 in Jax State's last year in FCS in 2022, made a bowl game last year, in the C-USA title game this year (playing tomorrow night). Niche offense. Experienced coach. Knows how to win. Knows the athletes it takes. Done it at multiple stops and multiple levels. Likely would have been his last stop. His offense is also tailor-made for the offensive players we can typically get.....road grade ahead, zig-zagging rushing attack that also opens up the pass game.

Many of us have been saying this for a while, including @Out of Bounds:

USM just got walloped - On3

I guess the only relief we can get is from the misery of others now.

www.on3.com

One thing that might make us football competitive....... - On3

Go find a triple option coach and work into it a passing game. It can be done and if done effectively, would be difficult for SEC powers to prepare for in just one week. We could recruit a nice stable of RBs and only need 2-3 stud receivers and a couple good TEs. A well-oiled triple option is...

www.on3.com

IU locks up Coach Cig - On3

with a contract extension, 8Mill/year with an annual 1 million dollar retention bonus through 2032.

www.on3.com

Current available coaches with a “niche” or “system” for our next head coach?

Since we’re near the bottom I’m our conference with regards to NIL money being spent on recruits and transfers, I agree with the notion that the route we need to commit to here is a system either in one or both sides of the ball that the opposition doesn’t see every week. Similar to a Leach or...

www.on3.com

Anyone know what our NIL budget is for ….. - On3

football? If I had to guess it’s in the 6-7 million per year range. Ole Miss is going to spend 14-16 million in NIL. Have no idea what the the other top SEC schools will spend but it’s in that range or some will spend more - A&M, Bama, UGA. Until someone puts a stop to this it’s an uphill...

www.on3.com

Instead we are over here firing our media people? What the literal 17?

Anyways, if I'm West Virginia, I know who I'm calling home (and he would not have left MSU for West Virginia, had we hired him).

Your mom dropped you on your head too much. Or maybe some guy just hammered your skull while hammering her.

 

[85Bears]

No you aren’t

Yes I am hearing Joe Judge mentioned as a future candidate, what is the story on him ?

 

[L4Dawg]

Could have picked him up after Leach died, or last year. 9-2 in Jax State's last year in FCS in 2022, made a bowl game last year, in the C-USA title game this year (playing tomorrow night). Niche offense. Experienced coach. Knows how to win. Knows the athletes it takes. Done it at multiple stops and multiple levels. Likely would have been his last stop. His offense is also tailor-made for the offensive players we can typically get.....road grade ahead, zig-zagging rushing attack that also opens up the pass game.

Many of us have been saying this for a while, including @Out of Bounds:

USM just got walloped - On3

I guess the only relief we can get is from the misery of others now.

www.on3.com

One thing that might make us football competitive....... - On3

Go find a triple option coach and work into it a passing game. It can be done and if done effectively, would be difficult for SEC powers to prepare for in just one week. We could recruit a nice stable of RBs and only need 2-3 stud receivers and a couple good TEs. A well-oiled triple option is...

www.on3.com

IU locks up Coach Cig - On3

with a contract extension, 8Mill/year with an annual 1 million dollar retention bonus through 2032.

www.on3.com

Current available coaches with a “niche” or “system” for our next head coach?

Since we’re near the bottom I’m our conference with regards to NIL money being spent on recruits and transfers, I agree with the notion that the route we need to commit to here is a system either in one or both sides of the ball that the opposition doesn’t see every week. Similar to a Leach or...

www.on3.com

Anyone know what our NIL budget is for ….. - On3

football? If I had to guess it’s in the 6-7 million per year range. Ole Miss is going to spend 14-16 million in NIL. Have no idea what the the other top SEC schools will spend but it’s in that range or some will spend more - A&M, Bama, UGA. Until someone puts a stop to this it’s an uphill...

www.on3.com

Instead we are over here firing our media people? What the literal 17?

Anyways, if I'm West Virginia, I know who I'm calling home (and he would not have left MSU for West Virginia, had we hired him).

He flopped at Michigan. MICHIGAN.

 

[L4Dawg]

That's why I wonder if it's his scheme.

EXACTLY.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

That's why I wonder if it's his scheme.

His scheme was fine. Their offense was good even in the Gator Bowl against us.

The defense finally came around in 2011, because he had a lot of young players in 2010. Of course, it's his fault that he had those young players in year 3. But his offensive scheme smoked. It's all about finding the right QB and guess where Pat White was from? Yep, Mobile, right next door. Imagine what he could do with Kamario Taylor types.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Could have had Clay Helton and Barry Odom too.

 

[HuntDawg]

Rich Rod was soooo good and that niche offense is sooooo good... that the only job he could get was at a FCS school. Was fired from Arizona... and totally flopping at michigan, took over team that won 20 games in 2 years and immediately ran it into 3-9.

We wanted him.... true GOAT stuff here..... go check out the CUSA schedule if you want to see who he's beating. That niche offense played one real team this year and lost 49-14.

That niche offense went 6-20 against the ranked schools of the vaunted pac-12, while at arizona
That niche offense went 2-11 against the ranked Big10 programs, while at michigan

Niche offenses just dont work against good schools... imagine what it would do against the SEC... LMFAO

 

[OG Goat Holder]

... imagine what it would do against the SEC... LMFAO

Don't have to imagine. It was #26 in total offense in 2019, with a young team that had just lost a QB and a bunch of NFL WRs.

cfbstats.com - 2019 National Team Leaders

cfbstats.com

Derp.

 

[Pars]

Rich Rod
This is real

 

[bulldoghair]

Niche offenses just dont work against good schools... imagine what it would do against the SEC... LMFAO

In 2014 we were a good SEC school football team. Do you remember the Orange Bowl? I don’t know how old you are, but we were also a good SEC football team in 1991. Do you remember the Liberty Bowl that year?

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

How different would the last 20ish years of SEC & even college football history be if Rich Rod does not back out of the Alabama job after accepting it in 2007?

 

[bulldoghair]

…Dan Mullen’s offense here at State was most definitely a niche offense. It worked, just saying.

 

[HuntDawg]

In 2014 we were a good SEC school football team. Do you remember the Orange Bowl? I don’t know how old you are, but we were also a good SEC football team in 1991. Do you remember the Liberty Bowl that year?

Bowl games. Are you kidding me. Teams and coaches use bowl games for different ways. There are some very good teams and very good coaches that havent performed well in bowl games.

I showed the regular season truth

at Arizona against ranked teams rich rod and his offense went 6-20
at michigan against ranked teams rich rod and his offense went 2-11

That tells me all i need to know about how successful said offense is and was against good football teams... and the defenses in the SEC. Much better than those in the pac 12

 

[HuntDawg]

…Dan Mullen’s offense here at State was most definitely a niche offense. It worked, just saying.

Dan mullen's offense at state was the same offense that florida used to win national championship. Its urban meyers offense.. and far far far from any type of niche.

 

[FlotownDawg]

I see Goat has has stopped pimping Malzahn for our head job now that he quit at UCF (with his 10-15 record the past two seasons) before he could get fired and now is the OC for what was one of the worst P5 teams in the country last season. Now it’s 17ing Rich Rod. He is quite the troll, isn’t he.

 

[HuntDawg]

Don't have to imagine. It was #26 in total offense in 2019, with a young team that had just lost a QB and a bunch of NFL WRs.

cfbstats.com - 2019 National Team Leaders

cfbstats.com

Derp.

did you not read SEC?

Those pac 12 defenses sure look a lot like SEC defenses... lol

 

[bulldoghair]

Bowl games. Are you kidding me.

Excuses. That’s all you got. I get it. Of course on paper we were supposed to win those games, but that’s what a well run niche system can do, beat teams they’re not supposed to a lot of times. As we did it with our on Watson Brown and Sleepy Robinson, as well with Dan Mullen while he was here. All niche systems that beat good SEC schools we weren’t supposed too a lot of times.

 

[HuntDawg]

Excuses. That’s all you got. I get it. Of course on paper we were supposed to win those games, but that’s what a well run niche system can do, beat teams they’re not supposed to a lot of times. As we did it with our on Watson Brown and Sleepy Robinson, as well with Dan Mullen while he was here. All niche systems that beat good SEC schools we weren’t supposed too a lot of times.

your picking out 2 games over the course of 30 years... beat a team they are suppose to be a lot of times? 8-31 is a lot of times. What about mike leach's niche offense went 12-30 in his time at texas tech against ranked teams and was below 500 in his years here, and his record against ranked teams is also well below 500..... change that from a lot of times to occassionally.. then i might agree with you...

Again at arizona his niche offense went 6-20 against ranked teams, at Michigan his niche offense went 2-11 against ranked teams.

So against GOOD teams-- which there are a lot of ranked teams in the sec-- his offense and his teams went 8-31.

Not someone i'm screaming to hire.

 

[85Bears]

Doesn’t matter who you mention, any of those guys would do better than 2-10. Need to get the next hire right.

 

[bulldoghair]

Dan mullen's offense at state was the same offense that florida used to win national championship. Its urban meyers offense.. and far far far from any type of niche.

First off, you don’t understand what a niche offense is. Second, it was both Meyer and Mullen that developed their system together, in the same manner that both Mumme and Leach developed their own. Over time others began to copy or implement aspects of both of these niche systems. Then when most others run the same concepts over time the systems aren’t as niche or unique

 

[HuntDawg]

First off, you don’t understand what a niche offense is. Second, it was both Meyer and Mullen that developed their system together, in the same manner that both Mumme and Leach developed their own. Over time others began to copy or implement aspects of both of these niche systems. Then when most others run the same concepts over time the systems aren’t as niche or unique

mullen and meyer didnt develop the system together.

Did you watch the urban meyer teams at bowling green. Its Meyers system.

 

[85Bears]

Dans sec record was 33-39, he only finished above 4-4 once in 2014.

 

[bulldoghair]

mullen and meyer didnt develop the system together.

Did you watch the urban meyer teams at bowling green. Its Meyers system.

You really don’t know what you’re talking about. Here’s a quick google link I pulled up. Good short read, if I find something else later I’ll try to think to shoot it to you. But I promise you don’t know what you’re talking about.

An Interview with Urban Meyer: His Offensive Background and Philosophy in His Own Words (With Annotations)

The largest Ohio State football blog on the planet and your first stop for news, analysis, video, recruiting and more.

www.elevenwarriors.com

 

[HuntDawg]

You really don’t know what you’re talking about. Here’s a quick google link I pulled up. Good short read, if I find something else later I’ll try to think to shoot it to you. But I promise you don’t know what you’re talking about.

An Interview with Urban Meyer: His Offensive Background and Philosophy in His Own Words (With Annotations)

The largest Ohio State football blog on the planet and your first stop for news, analysis, video, recruiting and more.

www.elevenwarriors.com

right.... sure i dont...

youre trying to tell me that a niche offense wins that majority of their games against good teams... and trying to convince me that an offense ran by meyer is a niche offense...

but when rich rod and his success with said offense, or even leach, when shown the results of his offense-- against good teams-- are shown you to-- there is nothing to say.

Dont waste your time trying to find me anything more...youve done veered this conversation into a totally different topic... if you want to discuss what meyer's offense is/was and how it came about... start a thread

 

[OG Goat Holder]

did you not read SEC?

Those pac 12 defenses sure look a lot like SEC defenses... lol

He was OC at Ole Miss, dubmass.

 

[HuntDawg]

He was OC at Ole Miss, dubmass.

on you mean the team taht finished 81st in the country in scoring offense.. and in the bottom half of the sec?

yeah... lets go get that.

 

[L4Dawg]

Dans sec record was 33-39, he only finished above 4-4 once in 2014.

I'd take it RIGHT NOW.

 

[patdog]

Bowl games. Are you kidding me. Teams and coaches use bowl games for different ways. There are some very good teams and very good coaches that havent performed well in bowl games.

I showed the regular season truth

at Arizona against ranked teams rich rod and his offense went 6-20
at michigan against ranked teams rich rod and his offense went 2-11

That tells me all i need to know about how successful said offense is and was against good football teams... and the defenses in the SEC. Much better than those in the pac 12

And most SEC defenses are a lot better than the ranked teams he faced at Michigan & Arizona. That offense just won’t work vs SEC athletes.

 

[patdog]

Doesn’t matter who you mention, any of those guys would do better than 2-10. Need to get the next hire right.

This is truth. The answer to the question who should we have hired instead of Arnett or Lebby is literally almost anyone else.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

And most SEC defenses are a lot better than the ranked teams he faced at Michigan & Arizona. That offense just won’t work vs SEC athletes.

It did in 2019. And they didn't do terrible against us in the Gator Bowl and we had an NFL-filled defense.

 

[HuntDawg]

It did in 2019. And they didn't do terrible against us in the Gator Bowl and we had an NFL-filled defense.

it finished 81st in scoring offense. 9th in a 14 team sec.

Good try though goat.... fire back up those texas tech films and enjoy the rest of your friday.

 

[El Perro Grande]

It did in 2019. And they didn't do terrible against us in the Gator Bowl and we had an NFL-filled defense.

We won the gator bowl 52 to 14. I wouldn't say they had a great offense. Memphis, Florida and Georgia were the only teams to score fewer points against us in the 2010 season.