Maybe Jamont just wasnt as good as he and the avg MSU fan

[JR]

thought?
Do ya think??????????

Dampier got drafted
Malone got drafted
Dontae got drafted
Ricky Brown got drafted
Wiley Peck got drafted
Lots of MSU players got drafted, so playing for MSU doesnt determine your draft status

Maybe Jamont just wasnt that good....despite the hype of his RIVALS "advisers".....

Maybe the guy was an average player (nationally speaking) playing on a team that focused on him? Guy who played point and had the ball in his hands 60% of the time, and was given the green light any time he "felt it"?

Nanhhh....that cant be it
Its probably a conspiracy or outright incompetence by 30 organizations that pay millions of dollars to make these decisions.

 

[JR]

thought?
Do ya think??????????

Dampier got drafted
Malone got drafted
Dontae got drafted
Ricky Brown got drafted
Wiley Peck got drafted
Lots of MSU players got drafted, so playing for MSU doesnt determine your draft status

Maybe Jamont just wasnt that good....despite the hype of his RIVALS "advisers".....

Maybe the guy was an average player (nationally speaking) playing on a team that focused on him? Guy who played point and had the ball in his hands 60% of the time, and was given the green light any time he "felt it"?

Nanhhh....that cant be it
Its probably a conspiracy or outright incompetence by 30 organizations that pay millions of dollars to make these decisions.

 

[patdog]

didn't translate well to the NBA, like most of us have said all along. I don't know what your definition of "average player" is, but apparently it includes unanimous All-SEC players and 3rd team All-Americans. If so, then yeah, I'll agree, Jamont was an "average player."

 

[JR]

of a system?
Just like all those Steve Spurrier & Bobby Bowden QB's that put up great college numbers but were sub par talent?

How about Rick geared MSU's offense around Gordon, and so of course Gordon put up numbers and got national recognition??

But maybe the Shane Powers of the world are right, and Jamont is SOOOO good that the NBA was afraid to have Jamont practice against the other guards, because he would show them up.

Look...I get your argument about better college player....but I dont think that was the conventional wisdom as you describe it. I think that is something that evolved. But lets put it to the test....how many of the conventional wisdom guys when I posted my 5% first round, 50% 2nd round, 45% undrafted....said...."Yep thats about right JR"?

 

[patdog]

how many of the conventional wisdom guys when I posted my 5% first round, 50% 2nd round, 45% undrafted....said...."Yep thats about right JR"?

I don't know. But I do know that if you'll go check that thread you never saw me disagree with it. I would have put it more like 10% 1st round, 60% 2nd round, and 30% undrafted, but that's not much different than what you posted. And you can't argue that the conventional wisdom on this board has always been that Jamont was a better college player than he would be a pro player. I guess Tyler Hansbrough (otherwise known as the "other" Hansbrough) is also an average player. Because he's not projected to be a top pro prospect either despite being an All-American every year at North Carolina.

 

[TBonewannabe]

If he had the 3 point shot to go with his game then he would have been a shoe in. The NBA is willing to develop any part of someone's game except shooting. They will take someone who absolutely sucks at defense if they can shoot. Unfortunately for Jamont, his case is the inverse.</p>

 

[basedog]

game that worried the NBA as much as his ball handling skills. Yeah he was very inconsistent with his shooting from outside but being his size in height he would have to play outside and this would be a concern, his weakness wasn't shooting or scoring it was his ball handling skills. He didn't have alot of turnovers, but he would have to be much better in his passing off his dribble cause he couldn't drive as much on bigger stronger NBA talent.
BTW, Jamont is one of the top players to ever play at Msu, not the best but one of the best. Yeah Stans built his team around Jamont, like all good coaches they build there offense around there best offensive player just like he has done with all of the other good players we have had. I wish nothing for the best for him, he is one of the best "misunderstood" athletes we have had and we have had several from other sports. He was never a problem off the court and believe me almost all coaches want players who are in the news for other reasons!

 

[dawgstudent]

is completely different than it was even in 1996. The game is more global and you didn't have 30 freshman enterting the NBA that have yet to be exposed.

Are you a damn idiot? 1st Team All-SEC is better than being just good? I wish I could internet ***** slap you right now. Like others have said, I really think you would rather a State player do bad so you can be right than a State player do well.

 

[patdog]

I really think you would rather a State player do bad so you can be right than a State player do well.

</p>

 

[8dog]

is the one who just a 2 months ago was spouting off about how important all sec, all america and SEC POY honors are.

I think its hysterical that anyone would ever use the NBA draft to try and validate their opinion of someone.

can someone who can google better than I can remind me what round Timmy Bowers and Darryl Wilson were drafted in?

 

[JR]

The Delks knew that Jamont wasnt all that
Hansborough knew that Jamont wasnt all that
I knew Jamont wasnt all that
The NBA scouts knew it
Several other posters knew it

The central issue here is whether Jamont was good enough to turn a team over to. I say that soneone who wasnt even talented enought to be NBA drafted wasnt talented enough to turn a team over to.

We will never know how much better or worse MSU would have been if Stans had tried to develop a team concept instead of simply turning the team over to Jamont.
By they way, Stans was applauded the whole way for doing so by most on this board.

You guys will never change your point of view no matter how much independent evidence there is to the effect that Jamont wasnt really that talented.

Thats it, I am tired of arguing the point, because clearly there is no amount of evidence that will point out that Jamont ALL SEC wasnt based on his talent, but on Rick essentially turning the team over to him.
You win by majority vote. You own the board.
there you win.,
I am through trying to point out reality to people who close thier eyes and chang..."I am not listenting to you"...tme to move on.....
I

 

[dawgstudent]

it was that easy, I would have internet ***** slapped you 3887 posts ago.

You win by majority vote. You own the board.
there you win.,

 

[Todd4State]

who had Jamont listed "as best available" for much of the second round? I guess he doesn't know anything either.

I think the reality is Jamont made a mistake coming out in a draft that was heavy with guards instead of coming back and improving his game just enough to get drafted.

Also, you say that the only reason he was named all-SEC was because we ran our team around him, but everybody has someone that they run their team around. That would mean the All-SEC team would be the guys that the other teams run their team around, and everyone with a brain knows that's not the case. He was voted all-SEC because he was a good player and earned it.

Also, if you're tired of arguing about this, why did you start yet another thread arguing about it?</p>

 

[KurtRambis4]

to the whole "reply to JR and get banned" deal....that was an excellent idea, by the way

 

[TBonewannabe]

Well I guess JR is glad we only had Lawrence Roberts for a couple of years. It sure did suck having that AA player that only got drafted in the 2nd round. Our team was built around him also.</p>

 

[WinDawg]

Jay Bilas is also the same guy who said that Shan Foster can't make an NBA 3 pointer, despite the fact that he made about 47% of them this past season. To listen to Bilas, that extra two feet will ruin him.

 

[1MSUDawgFan]

Well I guess JR is glad we only had Lawrence Roberts for a couple of years. It sure did suck having that AA player that only got drafted in the 2nd round. Our team was built around him also.</p>

Jarvis Varnado did it this year against UK. In the past 10 years, only 5 times in the SEC has there been a triple double. 3 of those were MSU players. Lawrence Roberts, Jamont Gordon, Jarvis Varnado. Al Horford did it at Florida and I forgot who the other one was. </p>

 

[BlindDawg]

Didn't Jamont do it twice? So if your 5 times in the last 10 years is right (which I'll take your word for it cause I don't want to look it up) then Roberts, Jarvis, Horford, and Jamont twice would equal 5.

 

[VinceVega70]

Even if we agree that Rick built the team around Jamont, Jamont had to have the ability and skill to make the shots, assists, and rebounds. Giving Jamont the authority to shoot and ball hog doesn't give him the ability to put up the numbers he did. His tremendous talent did that. Very, very few college players nationwide could carry a team the way Jamont did this year. You really make no sense this time, JR. And you're going to see what it's like to not have him this year. Unless Bost is Magic Johnson reincarnate, we have no SEC point guard now and we will struggle mightily, especially when we get pressed.

 

[HD6]

another victim for Rule 14. Thank you Jesus!

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

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[mstateglfr]

Jay Bilas is also the same guy who said that Shan Foster can't make an NBA 3 pointer, despite the fact that he made about 47% of them this past season. To listen to Bilas, that extra two feet will ruin him.

</p>yeah...he didnt say that.
nice interpretation of what he was actually talking about.

 

[WinDawg]

"He's got the ability to hit shots from about 18 to 21 feet, but I don't think his range necessarily extends back to three-point distance. He can hit shots off the dribble, mostly spotting up. But if his range isn't going to extend to where he can make shots from the NBA three-point distance, I think it's going to be a lot tougher of an adjustment for him. He shoots the college three with relative ease, but the pro three is a heck of a lot different.

 

[patdog]

he's going to struggle hitting 3's in the NBA even though he hit nearly 50% in college. I suspect he'll add another foot or two to his range and be OK though.