McDowell up the middle.....BRILLIANT

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not sure it was it’s own thread deserving. Gotta run the ball some. Need to block and he probably hesitated too much there. Personally, I like the run on 3rd and 2 knowing you’re going for it in 4th if you don’t get it. Where McDowell screwed up was by making sure he at least got something…a foot or 2. Instead he got shifty and lost a bit.

You see a lot of run plays in college football on 3rd and short.
 

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not sure it was it’s own thread deserving. Gotta run the ball some. Need to block and he probably hesitated too much there. Personally, I like the run on 3rd and 2 knowing you’re going for it in 4th if you don’t get it. Where McDowell screwed up was by making sure he at least got something…a foot or 2. Instead he got shifty and lost a bit.

You see a lot of run plays in college football on 3rd and short.
Running it is fine - but we used the wrong running back.
 
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This looks like a Muschamp offense tonight, passing way too much to the outside, behind the line, or near it. UT is out there waiting on it. Why don't we have slant routes and other quick-hitting throws?
 

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Where is nick harbor?
He’s a freshman that has never played WR learning to play the position. Temper your expectations for many freshmen that come in. Especially in this scenario. There are some that are just special. But almost never are those the guys learning a new position.
 

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Probably. I’m way more concerned with the fact that we don’t seem to realize that we can throw the ball beyond the chains on 3rd or 4th down. That last 3rd and 10 pass call was garbage.
Agree, receivers are not getting beyond the first down marker.
 

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It’s interesting that a pass on 3rd and 22, 10 yards behind the chains, is the biggest play of the game so far. Again, running on 3rd and 2 wasn’t THAT big of a deal. Loggain’s unforgivable playcall that handed UT a TD was.
 

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He’s a freshman that has never played WR learning to play the position. Temper your expectations for many freshmen that come in. Especially in this scenario. There are some that are just special. But almost never are those the guys learning a new position.
We could at least run him down the field and see if they can keep up - might get a TD, or 2.
 
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We could at least run him down the field and see if they can keep up - might get a TD, or 2.
I don’t think he’s just automatically going to blow by them. They have safeties who play off the ball. If it were just that easy, everyone would bring in track stars.

We have much bigger issues than “where is Harbor?”
 

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I don’t think he’s just automatically going to blow by them. They have safeties who play off the ball. If it were just that easy, everyone would bring in track stars.

We have much bigger issues than “where is Harbor?”
Didnt anderson just run by everybody?
 

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He’s a freshman that has never played WR learning to play the position. Temper your expectations for many freshmen that come in. Especially in this scenario. There are some that are just special. But almost never are those the guys learning a new position.
Hes a freshman.. how hard is it. “Ok nick, run that way, real fast and drag as many defenders with you as possible to open up the pass game”.
 

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Hes a freshman.. how hard is it. “Ok nick, run that way, real fast and drag as many defenders with you as possible to open up the pass game”.
Sometimes WR’s have to block. Sometimes they have to learn plays. There is footwork involved. DBs might jam them. They might get a little shove. God forbid the safety drift over and help 15 yards over the top of them.

There is a bit more to college football than getting in a huddle and saying, “run that way.” This isn’t the backyard.
 
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Didnt anderson just run by everybody?
Well, Anderson is a Running Back and that was a running play. If you go and look, you’ll see a lot of defenders moving toward Anderson and laterally to make the tackle since he has the ball. They’re trying to tackle him as soon as they can. So, with safeties collapsing on a run play, yes? He ran 75 yards on a play. It happens sometimes.

But this isn’t anything like what you are saying for an WR to do. You seriously think that SEC defense can’t stay behind a WR? Sure, on occasions there are mix ups. But how many players do you see every Saturday just lineup and run and outrun everyone when they are being defended?

Some of your expectations of what these players can be are wildly exaggerated. Like, not in reality.
 
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Sometimes WR’s have to block. Sometimes they have to learn plays. There is footwork involved. There is a bit more to college football than getting in a huddle and saying, “run that way.” This isn’t the backyard.
Hes a 5* 6’5” 240lb race horse, some say the the no1 freak athlete in the nation, one of the fastest guys in college football…. And he cant run up the field at least drag defenders and open up the pass game? Its that complicated that a guy that said he potentially wants to be a surgeon cant figure that out in about a week of practice. Gtfoh and why is juju running the ball. You cant use the “hes a great blocker” excuse on that one.
 
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Hes a 5* 6’5” 240lb race horse, some say the the no1 freak athlete in the nation, one of the fastest guys in college football…. And he cant run up the field at least drag defenders and open up the pass game? Its that complicated that a guy that said he potentially wants to be a surgeon cant figure that out in about a week of practice. Gtfoh and why is juju running the ball. You cant use the “hes a great blocker” excuse on that one.
It doesn’t matter how many defenders he drags downfield if 7 is laying on his back.
 

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Hes a 5* 6’5” 240lb race horse, some say the the no1 freak athlete in the nation, one of the fastest guys in college football…. And he cant run up the field at least drag defenders and open up the pass game? Its that complicated that a guy that said he potentially wants to be a surgeon cant figure that out in about a week of practice. Gtfoh and why is juju running the ball. You cant use the “hes a great blocker” excuse on that one.
What answer do you want on Harbor? He’s not that good? He’s not ready? Omega Blake plays. Sorry to crush your dreams. It’s obvious Harbor must not be ready. You’ve clearly read all the hype on the kid. Again, this is why you need to temper your expectations on every freshman that comes in here, especially when they are labeled “Athlete”. Harbor should be fine at some point. Maybe even this season. But it’s pretty evident he’s not ready to get on the field.

And where did I say anything about Juju? I even said we used the wrong back on the play. But the 3rd and 2 call at the time wasn’t the worst. We had way worse issues. Anderson cant run the ball every play. Someone is going to have to take some snaps at RB besides him.
 
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What answer do you want on Harbor? He’s not that good? He’s not ready? Omega Blake plays. Sorry to crush your wildest dreams. It’s obvious Harbor isn’t ready. You’ve clearly read all the hype on the kid. Again, this is why you need to temper your expectations on every freshman that comes in here, especially when they are labeled “Athlete”. Harbor should be fine at some point. Maybe even this season. But it’s pretty evident he’s not ready to get on the field.

And where did I say anything about Juju? I even said we used the wrong back on the play. But the 3rd and 2 call at the time wasn’t the worst. We had way worse issues later. Anderson cant run the ball every play. Someone is going to have to take some snaps at RB besides him.
Anderson didn't get significant carries until later in the game. Why was the smallest and weakest running back used instead of the best on on the squad? Was it “pass blocking”?
 

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Anderson didn't get significant carries until later in the game. Why was the smallest and weakest running back used instead of the best on on the squad? Was it “pass blocking”?
Why are you asking me this, though? Juju is one of 3 healthy backs we have. He and Joyner have to play. He got a grand total of 3 carries tonight. Are you equating this to Harbor?

You forget Juju was actually a decent RB early in his career? Blame Juju all you want, but our OL is the main issue. Mario didn’t have much room all night either, but he did bust that 75-yarder on a play we actually blocked well. That made things look much better. Outside of that run he had 9 carries for 26 yards.

I’d hope once Harbor is in his 4th year he’d be playing more than Juju. Especially if we only have a few healthy WRs.

Comparing Juju to Harbor isn’t apples to apples.
 

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Why are you asking me this, though? Juju is one of 3 healthy backs we have. He and Joyner have to play. He got a grand total of 3 carries tonight. Are you equating this to Harbor?

You forget Juju was actually a decent RB early in his career? Blame Juju all you want, but our OL is the main issue. Mario didn’t have much room all night either, but he did bust that 75-yarder on a play we actually blocked well. That made things look much better. Outside of that run he had 9 carries for 26 yards.

I’d hope once Harbor is in his 4th year he’d be playing more than Juju. Especially if we only have a few healthy WRs.

Comparing Juju to Harbor isn’t apples to apples.
Harbor will get snatched up with a huge nil deal. All they have to say is “we will play you.”
 
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Harbor will get snatched up with a huge nil deal. All they have to say is “we will play you.”
Ok. Wouldn’t shock me. That’s the world we live in. But you don’t think that was already being said when he was getting recruited?

Again, temper your expectations with some of these recruits. Today, when we land recruits, there is a real chance they don’t finish here. Jordan Burch started here and he’s at Oregon now. We have to do what’s best for the team. If Harbor played, the NIL he gets offered may even be higher. Anyone can argue any case. Doesn’t change anything.
 

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Ok. Wouldn’t shock me. That’s the world we live in. But you don’t think that was already being said when he was getting recruited?

Again, temper your expectations with some of these recruits. Today, when we land recruits, there is a real chance they don’t finish here. Jordan Burch started here and he’s at Oregon now. We have to do what’s best for the team. If Harbor played, the NIL he gets offered may even be higher. Anyone can argue any case. Doesn’t change anything.
Your like a schill for the coaches. Like damage control.
 

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This looks like a Muschamp offense tonight, passing way too much to the outside, behind the line, or near it. UT is out there waiting on it. Why don't we have slant routes and other quick-hitting throws?
We haven't thrown a slant at Carolina in years!
 

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He’s a freshman that has never played WR learning to play the position. Temper your expectations for many freshmen that come in. Especially in this scenario. There are some that are just special. But almost never are those the guys learning a new position.
A month of preseason practice and 5 games in and you are still making that excuse? We are using a backup QB instead of a guy with size and speed to try and run screens! That is just pitiful! If he can't run a 5 yard out to get a first down then he needs to get his *** on the defensive line and rush the passer!
 

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The only reason Harbor is at Carolina is because we were one of the stupid teams that promised he could play offense. Everyone knows he should be a rush end!
 

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I almost threw something at the TV when JuJu was given the ball on third and short. I truly believe they are playing some of these kids to keep them happy instead of the better players.
 

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I almost threw something at the TV when JuJu was given the ball on third and short. I truly believe they are playing some of these kids to keep them happy instead of the better players.
BINGO!! I had that exact thought. JuJu, Joyner, and Doty are a few that come to mind. I can name about 3 bench receivers I would go to before Doty!
 
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Giving the ball to Juju on short yardage plays is bad, agreed. We do need him on the field a fair amount of the time because he is threat to take it to the house, especially in the passing game. But agreed, we are not using him the right way in the running game in the right situations.
 
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