Mel Tucker extension

blion72

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he has had some success in one season, but it is not over. the extension and amount seems a bit excessive, and wouldn't you wait to see how the season plays out??? Dantonio may be a dislikable person, but he had a track record and did not get anything like this.
 

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he has had some success in one season, but it is not over. the extension and amount seems a bit excessive, and wouldn't you wait to see how the season plays out??? Dantonio may be a dislikable person, but he had a track record and did not get anything like this.
Or you don't give him an extension and you lose what seems like a good coach to another school. I get what you are saying, but it's a double edge sword.
 
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Or you don't give him an extension and you lose what seems like a good coach to another school. I get what you are saying, but it's a double edge sword.
Mel Tucker left his first head coaching job, less than a year after signing a long term contract, as soon as MSU waived more money in front of him.
If he was ready to leave MSU, while in the midst of his first decent season as a head coach, for whatever team waived more money in from of him, how does signing him to an even longer term contract protect MSU? Either he will continue to have success, and jump at the next team to waive more money at him, or he will be the coach he is likely to be, and MSU will be on the hook to either continue paying him gigantic money - or they will have to give him a huge pay out to cut him loose.
It's like thinking you can make a gold-digger find true love by paying her more money.
 

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Mel Tucker left his first head coaching job, less than a year after signing a long term contract, as soon as MSU waived more money in front of him.
If he was ready to leave MSU, while in the midst of his first decent season as a head coach, for whatever team waived more money in from of him, how does signing him to an even longer term contract protect MSU? Either he will continue to have success, and jump at the next team to waive more money at him, or he will be the coach he is likely to be, and MSU will be on the hook to either continue paying him gigantic money - or they will have to give him a huge pay out to cut him loose.
It's like thinking you can make a gold-digger find true love by paying her more money.
And the agents are smiling all the way to the bank…
 

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Mel Tucker left his first head coaching job, less than a year after signing a long term contract, as soon as MSU waived more money in front of him.
If he was ready to leave MSU, while in the midst of his first decent season as a head coach, for whatever team waived more money in from of him, how does signing him to an even longer term contract protect MSU? Either he will continue to have success, and jump at the next team to waive more money at him, or he will be the coach he is likely to be, and MSU will be on the hook to either continue paying him gigantic money - or they will have to give him a huge pay out to cut him loose.
It's like thinking you can make a gold-digger find true love by paying her more money.
bingo....
 

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Mel is LSU material , imho. More recruiting advantages down there. Seems like he was ready to get a big payday, then he met OSU.
 

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Mel Tucker left his first head coaching job, less than a year after signing a long term contract, as soon as MSU waived more money in front of him.
If he was ready to leave MSU, while in the midst of his first decent season as a head coach, for whatever team waived more money in from of him, how does signing him to an even longer term contract protect MSU? Either he will continue to have success, and jump at the next team to waive more money at him, or he will be the coach he is likely to be, and MSU will be on the hook to either continue paying him gigantic money - or they will have to give him a huge pay out to cut him loose.
It's like thinking you can make a gold-digger find true love by paying her more money.
In this situation, MSU signs him then if he breaks it then they get a lot of money from the school who wants him. I doubt they fire him unless of course he starts having more games like Saturday. Would be nice for PSU to make them think come Sat night that the contract extension was too premature.
 

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In this situation, MSU signs him then if he breaks it then they get a lot of money from the school who wants him. I doubt they fire him unless of course he starts having more games like Saturday. Would be nice for PSU to make them think come Sat night that the contract extension was too premature.
I don't know of any college coach, of any standing, who has a prohibitively large buy out provision if they leave for another job. Franklin's, for example, is relative chicken feed. Do you? Obviously, we don't yet know exactly what the specifics may be in Tucker's new contract - should it go through.
But, yes, if there is a huge buy out clause - attached to the coach going elsewhere - that could impede the coach from moving.

Even when they did exist, they were usually bargained down to a much lower number - because what is the option for the school? To have a coach leading the team who doesn't want to be there? It just isn't a practical solution.

For what it is worth, Penn State did get around $6 million when Bill OBrien went to the Texans. But buy outs of that magnitude are very rare, if not non-existent these days.
 

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I don't know of any college coach, of any standing, who has a prohibitively large buy out provision if they leave for another job. Franklin's, for example, is relative chicken feed. Do you? Obviously, we don't yet know exactly what the specifics may be in Tucker's new contract - should it go through.
But, yes, if there is a huge buy out clause - attached to the coach going elsewhere - that could impede the coach from moving.

Even when they did exist, they were usually bargained down to a much lower number - because what is the option for the school? To have a coach leading the team who doesn't want to be there? It just isn't a practical solution.

For what it is worth, Penn State did get around $6 million when Bill OBrien went to the Texans. But buy outs of that magnitude are very rare, if not non-existent these days.

First go round, O'Brien had probably the worst agent around. His buyout was in the eight figures. Then he fired the guy and sicked his new agent on probably the dumbest AD around (yes, that includes Ms. Excellence).

The days of school-coach buyouts being symmetrical are pretty much gone, but the duration of contracts can have a significant multiplier effect. I'll be curious to see what they are should reports of the impending Tucker and Franklin deals come to fruition.
 
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Had a first date with a Spartan alum yesterday ... she is not thrilled that MSU is giving Tuck big money. Maybe a little of that i show their game with OSU went.
 

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MSU Admin. on Saturday night.
"Hey Mel, I've seemed to misplace my check book will get back with you"
LSU
" Mel you still available ? "
 

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I don't know of any college coach, of any standing, who has a prohibitively large buy out provision if they leave for another job. Franklin's, for example, is relative chicken feed. Do you? Obviously, we don't yet know exactly what the specifics may be in Tucker's new contract - should it go through.
But, yes, if there is a huge buy out clause - attached to the coach going elsewhere - that could impede the coach from moving.

Even when they did exist, they were usually bargained down to a much lower number - because what is the option for the school? To have a coach leading the team who doesn't want to be there? It just isn't a practical solution.

For what it is worth, Penn State did get around $6 million when Bill OBrien went to the Texans. But buy outs of that magnitude are very rare, if not non-existent these days.
I don't know the specifics of any buyouts but would think in the case of Tucker at least $3-$5 million is feasible. If you just sign for 10 years and $60 mill or whatever it is you would think the MSU admin negotiating team could get a buyout worth something to them. $4 million back to MSU, for example, is nothing to sneeze at if Tucker bolts.
 

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he has had some success in one season, but it is not over. the extension and amount seems a bit excessive, and wouldn't you wait to see how the season plays out??? Dantonio may be a dislikable person, but he had a track record and did not get anything like this.
They are haunted by losing Nick Saban to LSU.
 
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GrimReaper

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Exactly, but Saban wasn’t winning a Natty at MSU. No amount of money would have kept him there.
Nick had second thoughts about taking the LSU job. Probably changed his mind two or three times before his appointment was announced.
 

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So who cares what MSU is paying their coach, especially if as in the opinion of all the football geniuses in this thread they are overpaying? I thought you were PSU fans.
 

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So who cares what MSU is paying their coach, especially if as in the opinion of all the football geniuses in this thread they are overpaying? I thought you were PSU fans.

Kind of agree. Possible sets the bar for other coaches like CJF. Is Mel getting 10 years and $95MM? Sparty fan told me that.
 
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