Micah Parsons traded to Green Bay

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If these early reports are true, I find it somewhat crazy that Green Bay would give up multiple first rounders to they pay him $47 million/year. Feel like these types of moves usually work out better for the "seller".
In all honesty I thought the Cowboys would be more than 2 first rounders and Kenny Clark.
 
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If these early reports are true, I find it somewhat crazy that Green Bay would give up multiple first rounders to then pay him $47 million/year. Feel like these types of moves usually work out better for the "seller".
I don't know...an elite pass rusher that's just entering his prime. Usually this happens when guys are 28-31. This is like the Luka deal IMO. Just nonsensical. Time will tell though those 2 firsts should be pretty late. I don't see this as a Herschel Walker type trade
 

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Makes sense. The Cowboys defense wasn't any good with Parsons. Don't see how that would change any time soon.
 
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I don't know...an elite pass rusher that's just entering his prime. Usually this happens when guys are 28-31. This is like the Luka deal IMO. Just nonsensical. Time will tell though those 2 firsts should be pretty late. I don't see this as a Herschel Walker type trade
Exactly my thoughts ... 2 late first rounders and Kenny clark is not that much for a guy of his talent. I am surprised they didn't get more... Fun watching cowboy fans in full meltdown mode though cursing Jerry
 
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Clark is no slouch, though coming up on 30yo. Could work out for Dallas if they hit on the picks… If they don’t… 😬
 

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Clark is no slouch, though coming up on 30yo. Could work out for Dallas if they hit on the picks… If they don’t… 😬
Clark seemed to take a step back (ranked the 85th DT by PFF) last year and is 3.5 years older. You could be right--I could be way off. I think Green Bay crushed this deal. Parsons is 26 and special--even at the end of the deal he's only 30
 

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It is a great trade for Dallas. They get future qb with it and other great players. Mini Herschel trade. But imagine what you can do with 6 picks-2nd round or better for next two years.
 

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Clark seemed to take a step back (ranked the 85th DT by PFF) last year and is 3.5 years older. You could be right--I could be way off. I think Green Bay crushed this deal. Parsons is 26 and special--even at the end of the deal he's only 30
From the Packers perspective, they gave up one first rounder and a DT. They'll look at it as Parsons being an excellent replacement for the 2026 first rounder. Maybe the return for Dallas was paltry because GB agreed to take on so much salary with the extension. The contract aside, Jerry got owned with this deal. It is absolutely nothing like the Herschel Walker deal in which Dallas got three years of first AND second round picks from Minnesota.
 
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Exactly my thoughts ... 2 late first rounders and Kenny clark is not that much for a guy of his talent. I am surprised they didn't get more... Fun watching cowboy fans in full meltdown mode though cursing Jerry
But they’re also paying him $47M a year. The total cost is astronomical. But Parsons could average 18 sacks a year and make it pay off.
 

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But, but, jerry said that the contract with Micah would be resolved and that he would stay a Cowboy. I’m sure it was all just a misunderstanding.
 

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That author is throwing around the word “generational” way too easily. And the comparisons to Reggie White are absurd.

Parsons is a terrific young player but he’s no Reggie White. Frankly, there are likely 3-4 other DEs who are just as good/productive as Parsons over the next 4 years. That’s not generational.

I hate the Cowboys but they did a lot better than that author says.
 

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Win win win

Dallas loses their best player
Micah wins a great contract on a good team
Eagles win whenever Jerrah loses
 
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That author is throwing around the word “generational” way too easily. And the comparisons to Reggie White are absurd.

Parsons is a terrific young player but he’s no Reggie White. Frankly, there are likely 3-4 other DEs who are just as good/productive as Parsons over the next 4 years. That’s not generational.

I hate the Cowboys but they did a lot better than that author says.
He may not be Reggie White (fair) but what other edge rushers are likely going to be at his level the next 4 years? The other top edges (Watt, Hendrickson & Garrett) are all 3+ year older. Maybe some other kids step up but he's the best bet.

I just don't see how getting a declining DT and 2 likely late firsts for Parsons is a decent deal. Doesn't mean I won't regret saying that in 4 year (who knows) but if he stays healthy I think this works out great for GB.

As a Steelers fan I'm thrilled--the pick for Pickens likely just go better.
 
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He may not be Reggie White (fair) but what other edge rushers are likely going to be at his level the next 4 years? The other top edges (Watt, Hendrickson & Garrett) are all 3+ year older. Maybe some other kids step up but he's the best bet.

I just don't see how getting a declining DT and 2 likely late firsts for Parsons is a decent deal. Doesn't mean I won't regret saying that in 4 year (who knows) but if he stays healthy I think this works out great for GB.

As a Steelers fan I'm thrilled--the pick for Pickens likely just go better.
Players I expect to be similarly productive to Parsons over the next 4 years:
  • Nick Bosa
  • TJ Watt
  • Myles Garrett
  • Will Anderson
There will likely be more. There aren’t many of them, but being generational means being heads and shoulders above your contemporary.

Parsons is a top player at a premium position, but GB paid a heavy price for him. I’m interested in Bill Barnwell’s take on total expected surplus value for the trade.
 

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Players I expect to be similarly productive to Parsons over the next 4 years:
  • Nick Bosa
  • TJ Watt
  • Myles Garrett
  • Will Anderson
There will likely be more. There aren’t many of them, but being generational means being heads and shoulders above your contemporary.

Parsons is a top player at a premium position, but GB paid a heavy price for him. I’m interested in Bill Barnwell’s take on total expected surplus value for the trade.
I pray you're right with Watt but I don't believe that at all. At 34 you think he'll be producing at that level. Same with Garrett. Anderson nor Bosa have been as good as Parsons--why do they improve and he doesn't?

I think Parsons is worth every cent of that--time will tell. I think Jerry Jones let his ego win here but....we'll see
 

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That author is throwing around the word “generational” way too easily. And the comparisons to Reggie White are absurd.

Parsons is a terrific young player but he’s no Reggie White. Frankly, there are likely 3-4 other DEs who are just as good/productive as Parsons over the next 4 years. That’s not generational.

I hate the Cowboys but they did a lot better than that author says.
They did ok IMHO real value would have been first rounders in the 10-16 pick range. Late first are not that great talent wise. Add in It's Jerry Jones doing the drafting and good luck to the cowboys. Definitely not a Herschel walker haul of picks
 
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I pray you're right with Watt but I don't believe that at all. At 34 you think he'll be producing at that level. Same with Garrett. Anderson nor Bosa have been as good as Parsons--why do they improve and he doesn't?

I think Parsons is worth every cent of that--time will tell. I think Jerry Jones let his ego win here but....we'll see
Parsons can absolutely get better. So can other DEs. Let me approach this from another angle. Here’s the NFL sack leaders over the last 4 seasons.

NFL sack leaders

Parsons is #5 with 52.5 sacks in 63 games. That’s 0.83 sacks per game. I haven’t looked at how they distribute against playoff vs bad teams. Let’s assume it’s straight line.

GB is paying $47M a year, a three-time Pro Bowl DT (albeit who is a bit older) and two 1st round draft picks for about 1 sack per game, best case.

I’d argue that’s an overpay in terms of the value they’ll get back for that total outlay.

Just the $47M a year is a record and more than anyone else on that list or who will be on the future sack leaders list. Then there’s the player and pick comp.

He’s a good player, but at a super-premium cost for GB. Parsons has to be near perfect for this deal to pay off.
 

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They did ok IMHO real value would have been first rounders in the 10-16 pick range. Late first are not that great talent wise. Add in It's Jerry Jones doing the drafting and good luck to the cowboys. Definitely not a Herschel walker haul of picks
We don’t yet know who the players are. Dallas can also package those picks, Ala Howie, to move up for a top player.

Could they suck for two years and turn those picks into Arch Manning? Who knows?
 

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They did ok IMHO real value would have been first rounders in the 10-16 pick range. Late first are not that great talent wise. Add in It's Jerry Jones doing the drafting and good luck to the cowboys. Definitely not a Herschel walker haul of picks
Herschel won’t happen again. The pick comp for players Jimmy would cut was insane. Then there’s all the other picks.

I’m not saying Dallas won in a slam dunk, but I think they did a lot better than their being given credit for. And GB didn’t fleece anyone given what they paid of a sack per game best case.